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Post by davecisar on Jun 21, 2010 11:43:02 GMT -6
I'm no soccer fan at all, caught this story on my AOL front end header page. But I was thinking how this may apply to a High School or College Footgball coach. french world cup player curses out head coach in front of the team, player is sent home, team in protest decides it wont practice. I realize a lot of this hopefully has to do with this being: soccer, and socialist france, but does do High School coaches let players that have cursed them out in front of the team back on the team? How about college coaches? Are there any "absolutes" or is everything in flux and allowable in todays world? www.fresnobee.com/2010/06/20/1977263/fitness-coach-walks-out-of-french.html?storylink=mirelated |
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Post by phantom on Jun 21, 2010 12:07:34 GMT -6
I'm no soccer fan at all, caught this story on my AOL front end header page. But I was thinking how this may apply to a High School or College Footgball coach. french world cup player curses out head coach in front of the team, player is sent home, team in protest decides it wont practice. I realize a lot of this hopefully has to do with this being: soccer, and socialist france, but does do High School coaches let players that have cursed them out in front of the team back on the team? How about college coaches? Are there any "absolutes" or is everything in flux and allowable in todays world? www.fresnobee.com/2010/06/20/1977263/fitness-coach-walks-out-of-french.html?storylink=mirelatedHad a similar situation a few years ago. During a game our best player got into a verbal altercation with a position coach. No cussing out but not good. We suspended the player for a week (only one week because it turned out that the coach had played a big role in starting it). The seniors decided to boycott practice. Here's the funny part: They met at the home of one of the seniors. At practice time that kid told them that he was going to drive by practice and see what was going on. HE THEN GOES AHEAD AND PRACTICES. Tells us that he doesn't know where everybody was (He's now a college coach. I don't know if that says anything about college coaches  ). We lost the game but the suspended player's backup played very well (170 YR) so we made our point. Worst year of my coaching career (and I've coached an oh-fer). At the end of the year we were praying that we wouldn't make the playoffs because we couldn't wait for it to end. |
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Post by julien on Jun 21, 2010 13:16:02 GMT -6
I was about to start a thread on this subject as I come from socialist France ;D
The player is known to be a cancer... The coach, like in phantom story, has a lot to do in this story, too.
That being said, those french players are stupid to say the least. It's shamefull that they refuse to practice.
Dave: With all due respect, I do not think this story has to do with this being "soccer and socialst France" (with a capital, please)...
As far as I know people curse all over the world and people are disrespecfull, classless, all over the world.
And to answer you question: I think that it's not allowable in today's world.
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Post by eickst on Jun 21, 2010 13:16:47 GMT -6
The problem with France is all of the players are divas. There are no team players there, so there will be no team.
Good riddance.
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Post by phantom on Jun 21, 2010 13:19:34 GMT -6
As far as I know people curse all over the world . F%$#in' ay. |
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Post by julien on Jun 21, 2010 13:23:01 GMT -6
The problem with France is all of the players are divas. There are no team players there, so there will be no team. Good riddance. Totally agree! But we are not on a soccer forum... |
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Post by julien on Jun 21, 2010 13:23:56 GMT -6
As far as I know people curse all over the world . F%$#in' ay. ;DYeah, you know what I mean phantom ;D |
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Post by coachguy83 on Jun 21, 2010 15:34:59 GMT -6
I ran into a situation similar to this last season coaching at the 7th and 8th grade level. My starting one back didn't like my play calling and decided he would tell me and everyone else about it. My first step was to pull him from the game and he just kept talking so I ended up telling him to take off his pads and get off of the sidelines. The player was essentially suspended for the rest of the game, but I could not suspend him any longer because of the way our organization is organized.
I had a discussion with the player after the game and explained to him that I don't mind him questioning my play calling as long as it is in a coversation between the two of us. He was for all practical purposes my QB and we needed to be on the same page. After that we slowly became able to communicate more effectivly.
I did have another player that cussed out coaches twice and was kicked off the team. That wasn't my call because the kid was one that I felt needed football a whole lot more than we needed him. That player has since gotten into a little bit of trouble but seems to be on the road to recovery and becoming a better young man.
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 21, 2010 15:56:51 GMT -6
Had it happen. Player was suspended. He was also a captain. Stripped that from him. He no longer got the captain pin on his letter jacket or go out for coin toss. Proved our point. Life went on. The team however did not rally around him because he was more or less a jerk to everyone.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 21, 2010 15:59:24 GMT -6
;DYeah, you know what I mean phantom ;D Is the team withdrawing, what is the end result? It would be like a team in the Sweet 16 NCAA Basketball tourney here deciding it wanted to quit playing I guess in order to support an insubordinate player. |
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Post by fishon37 on Jun 21, 2010 18:03:43 GMT -6
The best response I have ever seen was from one of my old head coaches I worked for in Texas....we were a new staff at a small 4a town that lived for football...we had spring practice to put or new stuff in and was playing the spring game(big crowd) or 2nd team QB was in and he ran a play and got tackled, he come up cussing out his teammates...the header walked over to him and told him to shut up and get in the huddle.He ignored the head coach and kept ranting and raving......the head coach grab him by the shoulder pads and walked him out of the stadium....the head coach came back about 5 min later carrying all the kids gear...he left him standing outside the stadium with his gymshorts on and his tee-shirt on(no shoes)never had any more problems(the kid came back the next year and started on defense)... he never caused another problem..
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Post by gunrun on Jun 22, 2010 7:34:34 GMT -6
The best response I have ever seen was from one of my old head coaches I worked for in Texas....we were a new staff at a small 4a town that lived for football...we had spring practice to put or new stuff in and was playing the spring game(big crowd) or 2nd team QB was in and he ran a play and got tackled, he come up cussing out his teammates...the header walked over to him and told him to shut up and get in the huddle.He ignored the head coach and kept ranting and raving......the head coach grab him by the shoulder pads and walked him out of the stadium....the head coach came back about 5 min later carrying all the kids gear...he left him standing outside the stadium with his gymshorts on and his tee-shirt on(no shoes)never had any more problems(the kid came back the next year and started on defense)... he never caused another problem.. Try that now a days and Texas Tech will fire you. I hope I'm not hijacking this thread, but what can you nowadays do to remove a kid who curses you out and refuses to leave the game? You can't just snatch him off the field like you could twenty years ago. |
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Post by mitch on Jun 22, 2010 11:04:15 GMT -6
I'd call timeout and explain to him how bad this is fixin to get, and get his butt off the field. I would bet the other team members would be pretty influential in getting him off.
Aside from that, get the AD down there and possibly the law.
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Post by kylem56 on Jun 22, 2010 15:01:44 GMT -6
Try that now a days and Texas Tech will fire you. I hope I'm not hijacking this thread, but what can you nowadays do to remove a kid who curses you out and refuses to leave the game? You can't just snatch him off the field like you could twenty years ago. We had this happen in our last game of the season last year. This kid tested our patience all season and it was the last straw. We asked ehim to take off his helmet and shoulder pads and had the Asst. AD escort him to the lockeroom then leave campus. Like someone else mentioned, get the AD or the Prinicipal and they will do the right thing from there. |
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Post by coachfurn on Jun 22, 2010 15:24:06 GMT -6
I had a coach ask me in an interview for a college job about 7 years ago, what I would do if a kid mother f'd me in practice. I cannot remember my exact answer but I was nervous and really wanted this job so I took the high road and said I'd probably pull him off to the side and tell him to leave the field right now and go to the locker room. After he offered me the job he told me he wanted to hear that I would mother f him right back and kick him off the field. He told me to show no weakness to those players. That was the answer I wanted to say all along but was too afraid of saying in the interview.
In my opinion, if a player cusses at a coach...all respect has been lost and the kid will be a cancer on your team. Get rid of him.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Jun 22, 2010 20:38:27 GMT -6
Had this situation happen my first year coaching. Our two best players (captains also, QB and RB) decided that we should to go on two. We only practiced snapping the ball on one. I wasn't calling the plays, but the OC called the snap "on one." When at the line, the center didn't snap the ball on one, and our whole team jumped. We asked what happened and the whole team said that the players said in the huddle: "Coach said go on two." Pulled the players aside and told them if they do it again, they're benched. The next drive, they did it. Benched the two of them, and we lost the game (those two players made the difference in the game).
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jun 26, 2010 23:50:20 GMT -6
I'm one of potty-mouth fame (I'm working on my restraint though...) - I'd probably m'f him right back. I know it's the wrong thing to do, but I'd probably toss him off or at least John-Runyan-chest-bump him off the field and into the locker room to have a word with him...I'm not one that takes that sort of thing very well. Again, more chit I need to work on...
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Post by tbelding on Jun 27, 2010 0:52:58 GMT -6
He gawn
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Post by airmale on Jun 27, 2010 5:21:48 GMT -6
It all depends on the relatinship with the player. I sat behind Bob Huggins when he was at Cincy. He and his players would routinely cuss each other out. But, then they would also celebrate and hug very vociferously also. Seemed to work there.
On the other hand I won't tolerate it. There will be blood. But, if you need to get something off your chest we can meet behind closed doors and cuss each other like sailors. It stays in the office. But there must be a level of respect on the field that can not be crossed, or you are not running the team.
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Post by coachcb on Jun 27, 2010 6:53:23 GMT -6
A kid swears at a coach, he leaves PERIOD. Just make sure the coach isn't being an idiot and firing back at the kid; it's unprofessional and stupid.
If the kids want to rally around him, so be it. I'd rather lose with respectful players, than win with cancers.
Some of this does fall on the shoulders of some coaches. They think it's perfectly kosher to swear at and berate a player and wonder why the kid fires back at them with the exact same language.
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Post by coachorr on Jun 27, 2010 9:52:05 GMT -6
Ont the Socialist France front, I think it may be directly related to the high unemployment, which has created a long standing disdain for the government and coincidentally France. There is a socialist revolution brewing in France in the youth and I am assuming that some of these players come from that generation. France will be in a free fall economically within two years, because of its policies, which are policies we are now adopting as a country and soon a large portion of our youth will also have nowhere to work or to make a living.
You see it in society all of the time, this slow transition to premadonnaism or as another poster put it "divas". With political correctness and "no one person can be better than another" (not keeping score and NCLB are prime examples of this); we are creating youth who believe everything should be given and not earned.
I have been part of players chewing out coaches and it can be many things. Oftentimes it is where a kid with problems meets a coach who doesn't respect or earn the respect of the players. The worst case I have ever seen was when a coach rabbit punched a player, because the player was chewing him out. I convinced the HC he should can the coach, or I wasn't going to show up to practice.
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Post by coachcb on Jun 27, 2010 11:03:51 GMT -6
Ont the Socialist France front, I think it may be directly related to the high unemployment, which has created a long standing disdain for the government and coincidentally France. There is a socialist revolution brewing in France in the youth and I am assuming that some of these players come from that generation. France will be in a free fall economically within two years, because of its policies, which are policies we are now adopting as a country and soon a large portion of our youth will also have nowhere to work or to make a living. You see it in society all of the time, this slow transition to premadonnaism or as another poster put it "divas". With political correctness and "no one person can be better than another" (not keeping score and NCLB are prime examples of this); we are creating youth who believe everything should be given and not earned. I have been part of players chewing out coaches and it can be many things. Oftentimes it is where a kid with problems meets a coach who doesn't respect or earn the respect of the players. The worst case I have ever seen was when a coach rabbit punched a player, because the player was chewing him out. I convinced the HC he should can the coach, or I wasn't going to show up to practice. Conclusions: France sucks, soccer sucks, and if this turns into an "entitlement thread", it will be locked. LOL |
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Post by blb on Jun 27, 2010 11:14:47 GMT -6
Not that it excuses anything, but part of the story was that the French coach was a lame-duck (his last World Cup) and the players knew it so there was potential for trouble from the get-go.
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Post by coachorr on Jun 27, 2010 11:54:49 GMT -6
CoachCb, you have such a way with words. As in you took the words right out of my mouth. ;D
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Post by coachorr on Jun 27, 2010 11:55:09 GMT -6
I lost interest when the US went out yesterday.
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Post by julien on Jun 27, 2010 11:55:09 GMT -6
Yeah...
I did not know coachhuey.com was also a international policy (politics?) website...
No offense but keep talking about football.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 27, 2010 14:26:43 GMT -6
I was very happy the US lost.
Yesterday I did a clinic just outside of Cleveland
400 youth boys playing soccer in that town, right at 100 playing youth football
No offense intended, but I want American kids playing American football, greatest game for US to build our kids into viable young men.
In many places, both are fall sports
In many places soccer is year round
The less popular it is, the better numbers for real football in many locales
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Post by julien on Jun 27, 2010 14:36:25 GMT -6
I was very happy the US lost. Yesterday I did a clinic just outside of Cleveland 400 youth boys playing soccer in that town, right at 100 playing youth football No offense intended, but I want American kids playing American football, greatest game for US to build our kids into viable young men. In many places, both are fall sports In many places soccer is year round The less popular it is, the better numbers for real football in many locales I coach American Football in France... I also want kids to play Football and no soccer because I firmly believe that -- as davecisar said, this game build kids into viable young men. |
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Post by bigm0073 on Jun 28, 2010 11:04:19 GMT -6
True story..
Got a transfer from D.C... Good athlete.. Raw... Well he is lazy and doesn't buy into what we are doing. Finally there is a game where we are getting our HEADS BEAT IN and I tell the young man in the 3rd quarter to get in and get some reps at DB. He tells me "Phuk no I am not going in".... I said "excuse me".. He said no I am NOT going in..
So I told him that means he quit, correct.... He said yep I am done..
Well right there on the sidelines I told him to give me his jersey, pants, helments... Give me everything and a coach will escort you off the field... Sure enough we stripped him right there on the sidelines.. He walked off in shorts, t-shirt to the locker room.. His guardian drove him home (I refused to let him ride with us).
AD and Principal supported the decision - I never got any grief over it....
Not politically correct I guess but our point was made... Kids still talk and joke about it.
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Post by blb on Jun 28, 2010 11:15:39 GMT -6
Once in awhile the good guys win, bigm.
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