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Post by jmtexas on May 30, 2010 12:54:02 GMT -6
I just found out about this forum from one of my friends that’s a head coach in the DFW area. This will be my first year as a HC in youth FB third and fourth graders in the DFW area. Last year I help a guy that is a great man and a heck of a baseball coach, but not much on football. I felt that is was my responsibility to lean as much I could so I did not let my team down this year. I did not want to be "That Guy" who does not spend the time and acquire the knowledge to help his players win or even compete at there heist level. Looking through the forum last night and see that alot of you are running the single wing. I purchased the book and DVD's for Winning Youth Football back in Feb of this year.
My question is: What is the best method to installing the plays listed in Dave's book? I have read the book about five times cover to cover and still stuck on implantation of each play. I have two months until FB practice starts and still trying to figure all of it out.
Thanks for any help John
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Post by vikingdw on May 30, 2010 18:54:29 GMT -6
Coach, I've run DCSW for past 6 seasons. I always start teaching plays with a white board since kids are usually visual learners. I draw the formation with positions, hole numbers, back numbers,etc...and explain who is what. Then we chalk/talk the plays (chalk it, talk it, walk it, rep it, run it). Teach plays in the exact order as the book. Works great for us...good luck!
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Post by jmtexas on May 30, 2010 19:39:11 GMT -6
Coach, I've run DCSW for past 6 seasons. I always start teaching plays with a white board since kids are usually visual learners. I draw the formation with positions, hole numbers, back numbers,etc...and explain who is what. Then we chalk/talk the plays (chalk it, talk it, walk it, rep it, run it). Teach plays in the exact order as the book. Works great for us...good luck! Thanks
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Post by bobgoodman on May 30, 2010 19:41:03 GMT -6
I always start teaching plays with a white board since kids are usually visual learners. I draw the formation with positions, hole numbers, back numbers,etc...and explain who is what. Then we chalk/talk the plays (chalk it, talk it, walk it, rep it, run it). Interesting. I was afraid that the "chalk it" part would make it look too much like school, which the kids were hoping to get away from during pre-season. For that reason I also tried to keep any "lecture" really brief and infrequent. Didn't help in my case, but was I on the wrong track?
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Post by jmtexas on May 30, 2010 19:43:15 GMT -6
vikingdw
DO YOU ALWAYS USE THE TUNNEL CALL WITH NASTY
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Post by gameface on May 30, 2010 23:38:04 GMT -6
jmtexas,
We just followed the book. broke into two groups (line and backs). each group worked on there respective play. then we would come together and walk it. 1st step 2nd step and so on. we wouldn't ad the next play until every one had the present one. we focused on the sainted six. only ran 3-4 plays the first three games. wedge, 16 power, trap and 18 sweep. Heavy on power and wedge. Take your time on the wedge and rep it daily. for your question on the nasty tunnel call. No you don't have to run it every time. It depends on what the D is doing. Hope that helps.
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Post by davecisar on May 31, 2010 4:52:40 GMT -6
Gameface is right Backs and line seperate First step it First and second step it Walk it Jog it Full speed Full speed with dummys at the POA_ fit and freeze on the bags When perfect, bring both together and repeat same proccess During the water breaks we explain the numbering of the entire offense- not with a white board You put 4 backs in positions- explain what each is- johnny may have 88 on his jersey, but he is our 1 back- what # is johnny?- billy has 44 on his jersey, but he is our 2 back- what number is he? Gary- run up here and touch the 1, jordan touch the 2, devin touch the 4- Make it interactive and require everyone to participate and MOVE Next water break do the same with the line holes Third Water break you bring the entire thing together-Tommy on 16 power touch the man that is geting the ball and then touch the ground where he is going to run, Billy 18 sweep, Joey 43 reverse etc etc When I explain the plays to the seperate groups- I demo what I want each player to do
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Post by davecisar on May 31, 2010 4:55:02 GMT -6
Nasty tunnel Dont run it if a DT is outside shoulder of your PT- then just run Nasty if you want to widen the DE When then DE comes inside the nasty split, you change the play to nasty 18 sweep- no tunnel, you pin the DE in where he wants to go- inside Nasty TUnnel 16 power is a play that is run FAR too infrequently
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Post by vikingdw on May 31, 2010 9:44:11 GMT -6
Dave is right. I only run Nasty Tunnel if DE is outside my RE and no one is between our RE and OT. I run Nasty Split a lot and just run 16 Power so that the hole is wider pre-snap. When/if no one is between my RE and OT, I call Nasty Tunnel. If there is a DT between my RE and OT, I just run 16 Power with or without the Nasty call. Running NAsty Tunnel is an important tag to 16 Power and a valuable adjustment.
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Post by jmtexas on Jun 1, 2010 8:50:30 GMT -6
jmtexas, We just followed the book. broke into two groups (line and backs). each group worked on there respective play. then we would come together and walk it. 1st step 2nd step and so on. we wouldn't ad the next play until every one had the present one. we focused on the sainted six. only ran 3-4 plays the first three games. wedge, 16 power, trap and 18 sweep. Heavy on power and wedge. Take your time on the wedge and rep it daily. for your question on the nasty tunnel call. No you don't have to run it every time. It depends on what the D is doing. Hope that helps. And here starts my problem This team has not won anything, and getting other parents to help out (no one offering yet). I should have made the point. How does one coach implement plays? I get the part if you can break up the two parts and cover Backs and Linemen. Has anyone tried to teach this with no other coaching help? I have one dad that is going to help but he does not have the time to go over film or DVD's. I just think he wants to coach his son.
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Post by adolphrollingover on Jun 1, 2010 10:11:25 GMT -6
jmtexas, And here starts my problem This team has not won anything, and getting other parents to help out (no one offering yet). I should have made the point. How does one coach implement plays? I get the part if you can break up the two parts and cover Backs and Linemen. Has anyone tried to teach this with no other coaching help? I have one dad that is going to help but he does not have the time to go over film or DVD's. I just think he wants to coach his son. Very importan part which Dave says in his book, but I will emphasize with first-hand knowledge. You MUST coach the offensive line. You can teach your helper to coach the backs. I did not trust Dave and I was burned. My O lne Coach did not believe in the wedge and simply would not demand perfection.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 2, 2010 4:45:52 GMT -6
You can train up a coach- even with limited time One coach for an entire team is nearly impossible to competently coach You can switch up- get someting started and have him take over for you and move to the other group- keep doing it that way Im e-mailing ALL THE PARENTS Let them know you cant do it alone if they want the kids to have a good season Stress that no experience is required, just someone that is sane and consistent
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Post by tiger46 on Jun 6, 2010 15:25:32 GMT -6
And here starts my problem This team has not won anything, and getting other parents to help out (no one offering yet). I should have made the point. How does one coach implement plays? I get the part if you can break up the two parts and cover Backs and Linemen. Has anyone tried to teach this with no other coaching help? I have one dad that is going to help but he does not have the time to go over film or DVD's. I just think he wants to coach his son. [/quote]
I've installed it alone. If you end up having to coach alone you’ll have to coach a lot of things on the fly- especially for the backs. Get your block/tackle drills, chalk & talk done.
First, make sure you choose your Center candidate. Preferably, you'll have two kids that can play center. They each need at least 50 snaps per practice. Decide what type of snap technique you want to use. Pair them off near where you'll be coaching the O-line. Have them hone their skill & accuracy with a laundry bucket, armless lawn chair, or something similar. After they get good at that, they can take turns snapping to each other. i.e... 10 snaps with 2nd Center at TB position so the 1st Center gets used to hitting that target. 2nd Center then moves to FB position. 10 more snaps. Switch centers. Other Center snaps 10 & 10. Switch again. You don't have to worry as much about snaps to the BB position. Those snaps are made with the BB sniffing the Center's tailpad. Not as difficult to get those right. But, do have the Centers practice some of those, also. BTW, that's 10 good snaps before switching. That's why you have to have them nearby with their backs turned to the O-Line action. It's essential that you monitor the centers. Check their snaps, spacing, etc... Don't just send them off to a dark corner of the practice field! You don't have an offense without them. If they feel that you don't think what they're doing is important they won't treat it as important, either.
If you only have one Center, have one of the players that you have designated as a back retrieve the ball from the bucket and/or take snaps while you teach O-line. I used the TB & FB since they were the ones that would be receiving snaps in the games. Only one at a time would work with the Center. The other was with the rest of the team learning plays until it was time to switch. You can have the BB switch in, also. Use a hand shield to replace the Center while you teach the O-line. Install the plays just as DC and the other coaches said. The next important position is your RG. He does all the pulling. He has to know where every play goes. Size is nice. But, I much prefer smarts, toughness & quickness for that position. While teaching the RG how/where he was pulling, I put the backs in key defensive positions (i.e... to run 16 Power, set backs up at D-line positions after the O-line had already practiced on air.) so that the O-line & RG got an idea of what was going on.
The backs will almost self-teach themselves due to the snaps they’ve taken with the Centers and reps they’ve gotten at O & D. In fact, I used to ask the whole team, “How do you run the ball for our team?” They’d answer, “Follow the RG’s tailpad!” Specifically for the backs, I would have one take snaps with the Center(s) while others were in the backfield learning what they do as the O-line got more reps. I’d make sure the other two backs were in key defense positions that the backs would block. If your team has low numbers, make sure that the key defensive position corresponds to which back is in the line-up. i.e... If my BB was taking snaps, I didn’t worry about placing a player at DE when practicing 16P. If the BB was in the line-up, I made sure that someone was placed at DE. Rotate the backs from O to D while the O-line gets reps. If you’re not practicing wedge, you can also use the SE and LT in defensive positions. But, I wouldn’t use them too often.
You can bring over a/the Center(s) whenever you think they're ready. Don't bring them over too soon. Bad snaps are a distraction to the offense when you're rep'ing plays. Make sure you rotate them.
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Post by jmtexas on Jun 7, 2010 15:00:52 GMT -6
Thanks Tiger46
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Post by davecisar on Jun 7, 2010 15:13:42 GMT -6
I would:
Have my line arrive 30 minutes before the backs Have the backs stay 30 minutes after the line leaves
Have a linemen only practice 1 day a week Have a backs only practice 1 day a week
Takes a LOT of time putting in with 1 coach and if only 1 coach is holding everyone accountable- tough to perfect fundys
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Post by tiger46 on Jun 7, 2010 23:33:56 GMT -6
Always do it the way Dave says. Whatever he says is at least 100x better than anything I've got.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 8, 2010 5:13:11 GMT -6
Tiger, Thanks but not always true, your posts are always spot on. I just got back yesterday from doing 3 clinics. In those 3 I picked up 2 things Im going to use that other guys had success with. Example: Im no longer calling my "A" gap defenders "bearcrawlers." When a kid sees there is no position on the college or pro team called "bearcrawler" he feels like he doesnt have a real position. We are now calling them "nose tackles." That doesnt impact anything I do, but makes my coaching job easier and makes perfect sense. Calling them "bearcrawlers" wasnt a good move on my part- didnt put a lot of thought into that one Lots of good ideas out there, that I have no monopoly on.
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Post by FBCoachMike on Jun 9, 2010 11:37:38 GMT -6
Be careful with "dad helpers"...they usually are out there to coach their son, which is the problem. Like Dave says, you need guys who will commit to run your program the way you want it run. Takes a lot of humility on those dad's part, which is hard to come by. I got a lot of ideas from Adam Wesloski (directsnapfootball.com) for coaching with 1-3 coaches.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jun 9, 2010 21:01:15 GMT -6
Example: Im no longer calling my "A" gap defenders "bearcrawlers." When a kid sees there is no position on the college or pro team called "bearcrawler" he feels like he doesnt have a real position. We are now calling them "nose tackles." That doesnt impact anything I do, but makes my coaching job easier and makes perfect sense. So if you're in a 6, you have a left nose tackle, a right nose tackle, a left outside defensive tackle, and a right outside defensive tackle? Heh...since no college or pro team is calling them defensive guards now, I guess so! Well, what the heck...since it's been over a century since the guards had to guard the snapper against getting shoved off the ball, who says the old words had any remaining validity anyway?
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