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Post by warrior53 on May 28, 2010 10:45:27 GMT -6
Saw someone on here say they have been an OC and liked the other side of the ball better. Got me thinking...
Which would you rather be? OC or a DC and why?
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Post by leighty on May 28, 2010 10:51:43 GMT -6
DC. Calling offensive plays on Friday nights is fun, but I enjoy coaching defense more on a day-to-day basis.
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Post by cqmiller on May 28, 2010 10:55:59 GMT -6
I love the DC mentality you have to get into... No nonsense, KILL EVERYBODY! Love it.
OC has to be more level-headed and methodical. Take 3 & Outs, wear down the defense, and stay patient.
I've done both, and I'm an OC now at the school I'm at. I can't say I prefer one over the other. They are completely different animals.
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Post by mariner42 on May 28, 2010 11:40:04 GMT -6
I'm a defensive guy, it's just my personality. I'd like to try running an offense because I'm curious what it's like and it sounds pretty fun, but I can't really get away from who I am. Played 9 years of linebacker, that doesn't just go away.
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Post by coachguy83 on May 28, 2010 11:40:38 GMT -6
At this point in my career I would much rather be an OC because I'm just more comfortable on that side of the ball. I understand defense I just have learned all the little thing like I have on offense. I am working very hard to change that so in a year or two I might be able to step into a DC role without being scared sh!tless.
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Post by phantom on May 28, 2010 11:55:26 GMT -6
DC. I love f*cking things up.
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Post by sandstorm on May 28, 2010 12:09:25 GMT -6
DC. If they don't score, they don't win.
All we need is 7 points. The visor, wrist band wearing OC better give us 7.
Of course I say all of this tongue in cheek...but not really.
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Post by brophy on May 28, 2010 12:25:12 GMT -6
OC, simply because it requires you to really manage a bunch of nuanced people together and execute precision.
OC is like an engineer (trying to build something extraordinary in the midst of tons of things that can go wrong), a DC is like a manager of saboteurs (just blow $#@ up).
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Post by dubber on May 28, 2010 12:26:38 GMT -6
Offensive coordinator appeals to my meticulous nature.......  The macro and micro planning involved is just right up my alley. Defense is reaction, offense is action.........in almost everything I do, I prefer to provide the stimulus. Just ask my wife..........  |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 28, 2010 12:30:40 GMT -6
I think at the HS level..since I have primarily been on the defensive side of the ball, I would rather be the OC.... because i have seen SO MANY FREAKING MORONS in that position....my ego just makes me think I can do it so much better.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 28, 2010 12:41:33 GMT -6
OK ..don't laugh..all things being equal..I would prefer to be OC because IMO..you have greater control over the tempo of the game..also at the HS level..you also have a greater chance to dicate to a defense..they are only going to have but so many answers to a formation..so many answers tp play an option etc
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Post by jgordon1 on May 28, 2010 12:43:20 GMT -6
I think at the HS level..since I have primarily been on the defensive side of the ball, I would rather be the OC.... because i have seen SO MANY FREAKING MORONS in that position....my ego just makes me think I can do it so much better. yup...that too |
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Post by coachmoore42 on May 28, 2010 12:59:25 GMT -6
I currently do both, and I have way more experience as DC, but I enjoy OC the most. Same reasons others have said: More control over the game, more choices (as opposed to reactions).
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Post by sandstorm on May 28, 2010 14:17:54 GMT -6
Defense is reaction, offense is action......... [/size][/quote] Maybe that's how your defense is....we're all action. |
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Post by warrior53 on May 28, 2010 14:21:22 GMT -6
I think at the HS level..since I have primarily been on the defensive side of the ball, I would rather be the OC.... because i have seen SO MANY FREAKING MORONS in that position....my ego just makes me think I can do it so much better. Are you saying there are more moron coaches on the offensive side than the defensive side, because we can really get people riled up if you are |
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Post by coachknight on May 28, 2010 15:40:09 GMT -6
First off, I'm an OC. Why? Its fun. I heard Chuck Martin say that when he became the head coach at Grand Valley, he started calling the offense because he knew what messed with him as the DC, or something to that effect.
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Post by phantom on May 28, 2010 15:45:42 GMT -6
I think at the HS level..since I have primarily been on the defensive side of the ball, I would rather be the OC.... because i have seen SO MANY FREAKING MORONS in that position....my ego just makes me think I can do it so much better. Are you saying there are more moron coaches on the offensive side than the defensive side, because we can really get people riled up if you are I wouldn't say "morons". I would say that there are more guys who are more worried about proving a point than winning on offense. Not all or even many but if they're there that's where you'll find them. |
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Post by dubber on May 28, 2010 20:25:29 GMT -6
Defense is reaction, offense is action......... [/size][/quote] Maybe that's how your defense is....we're all action.[/quote] I line up in trips......defense adjusts I call a run, defense reacts to that.............they react differently if we pass |
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Post by oguru on May 29, 2010 1:47:40 GMT -6
Offense because people don't pay to watch a frickin shut out. As well as as an OC, you have more control over the game. Unelss the defense is superior to you then you can totally dictate the game to them.
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Post by 44dlcoach on May 29, 2010 2:03:59 GMT -6
On the subject of dictating the game, this to me is just one of those things that every single OC and every single DC in America says. And I don't know who's right and who's wrong or if anybody is right or wrong, but every good OC or DC I've ever spoken to feels that they are going to dictate the game.
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Post by cls on May 29, 2010 8:43:07 GMT -6
Is it me or do DC's seem like robots? They have a ton of information on Sunday's and most of the information is useless. "on 3rd and long they like to run screens and draws". Really!!!Then a lot of DC's like to flood the kids with this information. I think if you can get the kids lined up correctly, let them know where they go on run/pass, and teach them how to tackle the rest falls into place. Is there REALLY that much more? However, the OC is like a great phiolosopher. Getting so many moving parts to act as one, controlling the pace of the game, screwing with the other defensive staff, and at the same time being creative enough to keep things fresh. Poetry in motion...
So do I want to be a true renaissance man(OC) or a neanderthal (DC)?
I think this is an easy one
Before I get a nasty PM I'm just having fun...Kind of
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Post by phantom on May 29, 2010 11:08:10 GMT -6
Is it me or do DC's seem like robots? They have a ton of information on Sunday's and most of the information is useless. "on 3rd and long they like to run screens and draws". Really!!!Then a lot of DC's like to flood the kids with this information. I think if you can get the kids lined up correctly, let them know where they go on run/pass, and teach them how to tackle the rest falls into place. Is there REALLY that much more? However, the OC is like a great phiolosopher. Getting so many moving parts to act as one, controlling the pace of the game, screwing with the other defensive staff, and at the same time being creative enough to keep things fresh. Poetry in motion... So do I want to be a true renaissance man(OC) or a neanderthal (DC)? I think this is an easy one Before I get a nasty PM I'm just having fun...Kind of If, by "philosopher" you mean that he can win any argument in which he has the chalk last, I concur. |
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Post by wingtol on May 29, 2010 14:25:02 GMT -6
I am the DC by default at the school I am at now. But I am defiantly an offensive guy when it's all said and done. Not that I have no input on our offense now, I am the OL coach and installed our passing game, I can basically tell our HC what we should run and he runs it if I suggest it. So I guess I would want to be an OC if I had to choose one side or the other.
With that being said I agree with the posts above where defense is reaction as opposed to the action of the offense. We are very basic on D, 5-6 fronts 3 coverages a few blitzes and stunts, I try and make sure our kids are lined up right, know what to expect from the other team in certain formations, and go get the guy with the ball. Not to say we don't take it serious we just try and keep it simple and let the kids play. I do have to say that offense is much more fun for me to coach.
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Post by mariner42 on May 29, 2010 17:34:00 GMT -6
The whole "DC as a Neanderthal" thing doesn't work for me. Sure, I'm big, hairy, and have a somewhat prominent brow and enjoy hitting stuff with harder, blunt stuff, but I'm also a beautiful, expressive person inside. For instance, I once expressed my anger by blitzing 7 players three times in a row because the offense crossed the 50 on our first string D. It was beautiful...
I just thought of a few more reasons why I'm a defensive guy at heart: I'm a contrarian, pragmatic, aggressive, jackass. I'm gonna do what I feel like doing without trying to be too cute and with a large dose of fire in my belly. And I'm going to giggle when we sack your QB from his blindside.
I've been thinking a lot about 'my' preferred offense and really, I think that's where I get kinda cave-man-esque. I love offenses like SBV or the Barta Bone that are simple, series based, death by blunt object type offenses. Sure they're explosive, every offense can be, but they're also a mindset that I love. We're running the ball, don't like it? DO SOMETHING.
But seriously, I'd slap your grandma if she was making designs on crossing the end zone.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on May 29, 2010 18:19:24 GMT -6
I've always been an OC guy, but I'm starving to be on the defensive side of the ball. Too much can go wrong on offense- you have to have dudes doing EXACTLY what they are suppossed to do and you MAY get 5yds if the defensive guys aren't where they're suppossed to be...
I watch year-after-year bad defenses get the ball rammed down their throats, play after play, and then our stupid tackle blocks out instead of down and all of a sudden the dark side act like they did something. Those dudes have it easy in HS!
Look at it like this:
3 good plays- 1st down
3 more- 1st down
2 more good ones, then the defense makes one good play and we have to punt...WTF is that! Bull$hit, that's what!
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on May 29, 2010 18:19:56 GMT -6
And yes, their are WAY more morons trying to call the offense...
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Post by davishfc on May 29, 2010 20:48:29 GMT -6
I think if you're in a situation as a header where you don't have staff members experienced enough to be coordinators then you have a decision to make. I think it's a relatively easy one. You as the header can work over the weekend, with your staff, to watch film and break it down to determine the tendencies of your opponent. Using those formation and down and distance tendencies, a game plan is developed that the entire staff understands. The plan is implemented into the weekly practice schedule. The night of the game the defensive plan is carried out. Some adjustments during the game are necessary, but for the most part, the game plan developed is stuck to. However, there are so many more "in-game"adjustments that must be made from an offensive perspective. More often, on defense than offense, you will see teams do something completely different to defend teams so you need to have answers as an OC. I believe it's imperative that you have someone as the OC who has put in the time during the off-season to go through every possible scenario the defense could throw at them. A header will put in that time and you can assist a figure head DC throughout the entire game planning process and if the weekly practice plan is organized, the DC the night of the game has few adjustments that he'll have to make. Long story short, be the OC and delegate the DC.
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Post by coach25 on May 29, 2010 23:45:10 GMT -6
I would take OC over DC any days. Why you ask? Well I like too see the DC on the other side try guess what I'm going to do next.
Then watch him get mad when he guess wrong.
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Post by phantom on May 30, 2010 0:24:24 GMT -6
I would take OC over DC any days. Why you ask? Well I like too see the DC on the other side try guess what I'm going to do next. Then watch him get mad when he guess wrong. That goes both ways though. |
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Post by phantom on May 30, 2010 1:17:15 GMT -6
cls - i got your freakin robot right here you lilly livered... I'm just kidding. I agree with what you say in your post. I know a lot of DC's who are like dadgum statisticians with that stuff. Give the kids all kinds of percentages for certain plays in certain D&D situations. I agree, get them lined up to each formation, know the coverages for each formation, find their keys and play. I don't see anything wrong with generalizing - "they are a heavy screen team" or similar. I as the coach need to know they are 66% pass on 3rd and 6+, but my kids don't need to concern themselves with all that. They need to get lined up, get coverage called, find their key...and read their key. That's pretty much it. For our scouting report it's full of formations, the plays they run out of each formation (but not D&D frequency or anything other than a listing of plays out of each formation). I think we as DC's sometimes over complicate. You give us some technology to break film, we get a bunch of data like we did in psyence class and all of a sudden we turn into a bunch of academians, when really the #1 skill required to play defense is to run forward and hit sh!t. Which is why we love it. I have no idea why a DC would think that a kid would care about percentages and that crap. Just more stuff for them to wade through and I think that that's bad coaching. Our job as coaches is to boil it down for the kids. If we see a tendency that requires a check-off (and, BTW, 56%/44% is NOT a tendency to me) put it into the game plan, tell them why in a nutshell, and practice it. I read an article once by Zach Thomas' DC at Texas Tech. He said that he asked Thomas why he was able to read plays so quickly. His answer has stayed with me. He said, "Well coach, Power doesn't look like Sweep and Sweep doesn't look like Counter". That's the essence of defensive coaching to me- show them the difference between Power, Sweep, and Counter. |
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