lrader
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Post by lrader on May 28, 2010 6:55:57 GMT -6
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Post by M4 on May 28, 2010 7:01:45 GMT -6
from his girlfriend?
that's lame on the kids part!
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lrader
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Post by lrader on May 28, 2010 7:04:04 GMT -6
Yeah, that was my first thought as well.
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Post by brophy on May 28, 2010 7:05:59 GMT -6
wowzers....from his girlfriend? (reads like his mom sent that)
On one hand, good on her for trying to do something for her guy On the other hand, what a b#@!@ of a dude/player to go and whine to her about it.
Facebook is just a medium - it could've been an email or a phone call
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Post by blb on May 28, 2010 7:06:01 GMT -6
Thanks for reinforcing my decision never to join Facebook, or at least until I retire from coaching.
At our summer camp (end of July), we let our kids participate at whatever positions they want because they've paid for it.
Sometimes we'll even let them do that at start of Two-a-days when not wearing pads (if we're not sure where they should play or where we need help).
But we tell them at some point we're going to put them at the position where they have the best chance to help the team.
And if they can't deal with that, we can live with out them. We're looking for TEAM players, because the best TEAMS win.
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Post by playsmart on May 28, 2010 7:07:58 GMT -6
Tell him... "It is your way or the Highway"
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Post by brophy on May 28, 2010 7:08:29 GMT -6
Why not just ignore the message, though?
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Post by warrior53 on May 28, 2010 7:16:15 GMT -6
Girlfriends, we talking about girlfriends?
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Post by wingt74 on May 28, 2010 7:16:59 GMT -6
Maybe you should ask her if she is willing to play oline...sounds like she has the balls to do it over this dude.
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Post by leighty on May 28, 2010 7:18:35 GMT -6
Ignore it. Nothing good can come of you responding to a message from a high school girl.
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Post by blb on May 28, 2010 7:18:44 GMT -6
Why not just ignore the message, though? I think he can ignore the message but it's just a symptom - ignoring it won't make the disease go away. He's still going to have to deal with the player's attitude problem.
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Post by John Knight on May 28, 2010 7:34:00 GMT -6
Hard for me to give you advice, I played fullback at 6'2" 275# and I enjoyed it. When two a days started the HC said the only way I could play FB is if I ran a 6:30 mile. I did it and he let me play and was happy that he did. Most of the kids that played tailback behind me loved to run ISO. I even caught a few boot passes. It was funny to see the 130# dbs try to tackle me.
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Post by blb on May 28, 2010 7:39:15 GMT -6
Hard for me to give you advice, I played fullback at 6'2" 275# and I enjoyed it. When two a days started the HC said the only way I could play FB is if I ran a 6:30 mile. I did it and he let me play and was happy that he did. Most of the kids that played tailback behind me loved to run ISO. I even caught a few boot passes. It was funny to see the 130# dbs try to tackle me. We do tell our Varsity "skill" kids that if they expect to start they should be able to run a 5.0 or better 40 and make their Mile (6:10 if 16, 6:05 if 17). So that could be an "out" for lrader. Of course, if kid does make them or none of his backs do, that won't help.
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Post by John Knight on May 28, 2010 7:47:45 GMT -6
Fastest kid on our team runs a 5.00 40 next year.
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Post by leighty on May 28, 2010 7:49:37 GMT -6
Fastest kid on our team runs a 5.00 40 next year. Wow
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Post by John Knight on May 28, 2010 7:53:13 GMT -6
Seriously, kid is a long tall lanky WR that is as fast as anyone on the team, at a sophomore combine, he ran a 5 flat. We had 2 kids last year that ran 4.6 one is going to ND the other will probably go to the military.
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Post by cnunley on May 28, 2010 7:54:29 GMT -6
I would NOT respond back to her...not on facebook anyways. For some reason I can see that back firing on you if the response is not what they want to hear. "Hey, heres a printed copy of what coach said about me"...
Maybe I'm paranoid about stuff like that. That's why I don't have facebook. Even though Brophy is right, it was just the medium used, could've been email, etc...
I would rather sit the kid down and talk to him. Give him expecations of a TEAM player. Explain why he's needed at the OL. Hell, throw him a bone, put in a short yardage package with this kid at F.
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Post by John Knight on May 28, 2010 7:58:59 GMT -6
You could respond to her. "Thanks for your concern, I will talk to Johnny about it."
That is not going to hurt a thing, then "block" her messages of course!
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Post by larrymoe on May 28, 2010 8:20:06 GMT -6
Thanks for reinforcing my decision never to join Facebook, +1000
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Post by John Knight on May 28, 2010 8:24:58 GMT -6
I never wanted a computer or a cell phone 15 years ago. I use both daily and continuously. I have reconnected with some good friends via facebook and very glad I got to catch up with them. The people I don't want to find or have find me can be blocked out on facebook. Facebook is not the problem, it has other problems but not this situation. How would it be any different if she had written a letter?
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Post by 42falcon on May 28, 2010 8:36:01 GMT -6
Let me guess she wants reps at QB?
Seriously though, I wouldn't even entertain that I would chat with the kid explain that the TEAM needs him on OL. Explain how inapropriate his GF messaging you is and that as a man you need to take ownership of things and not let others do your bidding.
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Post by sandstorm on May 28, 2010 8:37:51 GMT -6
That is ammunition for life!!!
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Post by dsqa on May 28, 2010 8:38:20 GMT -6
I agree with cnunley here. I have been an AD in a private school, and there is no upside to giving any credence to this girl's post.
I would sit the young man down, talk to him about the post, and explain the concept of manhood and loyalty. This complaining he is doing just weakens his position and what he is trying to do.
I have had a little experience with this, and I will offer what I did, but again, I have no idea what your situation is, or whether this kid is even quality enough to try it.
The burden is on the kid to prove you wrong about him. That can be useful to a coach. Again, it depends on the kid.
I just sat the kid down, with the position coach from where he plays, and where he wants to play, (So he is sitting in front of 3 coaches) and would said something like:
If you really want to go down this road, you are going to have to "man up," shut your girlfriend up, and own this belief that you are good enough to demonstrate on a whole new level that you can play that position, or any position, for that matter. You are asking me to inconvenience my staff, and my depth charts to do this. But, I want to be fair. (What you are really saying is, I don't think you have what it takes even to play where I want you, but if you are willing to grow up and become a football player, I am more than happy to kick your a$$ in that general direction)
First, you will play where I want you to play - Oline. You must prove to me that you are willing to put the team ahead of your whims and your girlfiend. That is non-negotiable. (Have your Oline coach spell it out for him. If he is a starter, then best case for him, he plays some redzone and key short yardage plays at fullback, if he isn't, then maybe we can motivate the kid to take his game up a notch)
"At the same time here is what I need from you to show me you can play in the other position, and you will have to work your way into the depth chart." (Have the backs coach lay out the chart as it stands right now, right in front of the kid, and share what he sees about this situation. This will mean a lot to the backs coach, that he isn't being driven to agree, and he is free to tell the kid what he wants - "I don't see it happening, but I am willing to give you a shot within reason.")
You will start behind those who are currently there, and here are the milestones you have to meet each step along the way. (That will be what is agreed upon beforehand.)
In order to make the depth chart at all, and earn any reps to prove you can help us at fullback - you have to run the mile in ____, as stated before, and the 40 in ________. (Make it attainable and fair.)
You are responsible to know both positions, and you cannot falter on your primary duties in the line. You have to show me you can handle both positions, and trust me that I will give you the chance you want - you will have to trust us.
If you show you can handle it, and bring value to what we are doing in the backfield, you will get a few reps in a preseason game. Depending on how well you do, we will evaluate further opportunities and the backs coach will keep you apprised of your progress, but just like anyone else, you will have earn your spot.
Basically young man, you have to make it difficult for us to know where to play you because you are good in both places. If you can show us that you won't shirk your line duties, yet can help us in the backfield, you will become the "appliance" in the redzone and short yardage. You show us you can lead block, and do it better than anyone else, you will play in key situations. You make plays for this team, and we will have no choice but to start you where you feel you need to be, but that must be earned.
Lay it out in steps and assessments, be very professional about it. I assure you, as was the case most of the time, the intensity of the process discourages them, not because you weren't fair, they just realize it is more than what they bargained for. There is nothing wrong with their desire, this just gives you a process to channel his desire to help the team, because you have a kid who really wants something, and you can leverage that to make everyone better.
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Post by silkyice on May 28, 2010 8:38:35 GMT -6
Fastest kid on our team runs a 5.00 40 next year. We have an open date on game 10. Interested? Surely you are joking. Aren't you? Or is this middle school ball or do y'all laser time?
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Post by John Knight on May 28, 2010 8:38:40 GMT -6
He will deny saying aything to his GF.
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Post by blb on May 28, 2010 8:47:29 GMT -6
He will deny saying aything to his GF. Does she have ESP? Is he dating Miss Cleo? As for writing a letter - how many teenagers are going to take the time to do that? And if I see her name on the envelope (or no name), I toss it without opening. I think students and some adults are a little intimidated using a teacher or coach's school (professional) email too. Kids especially would be much more comfortable using Facebook or other "social" media.
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Post by John Knight on May 28, 2010 9:03:54 GMT -6
There are good and bad results from that comfort though BLB. She can say she heard his parents talking or his mom told her or sister, whatever. The kid will not admit to whining to his GF.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 28, 2010 9:07:40 GMT -6
BIGGEST ISSUE..., (if I have read this correctly) is that you have H.S. STUDENTS CONTACTING YOU ON FACEBOOK!!!!! I would report this to your admin ASAP. You need to always CYA on these things. This is absolutely the wrong way to do things.
Other than that, I like what coach slack has posted.
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lrader
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Post by lrader on May 28, 2010 9:26:22 GMT -6
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Post by phantom on May 28, 2010 9:32:52 GMT -6
Would he beat your fullback out? Would it make a difference if he then had two good FBs and not enough linemen?
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