|
Post by coachdubyah on May 9, 2010 7:11:42 GMT -6
I am 100 percent positive we as coaches have all experienced the practice "LULL". You know, when crap just isnt going right. Cant execute (ie. dropping footballs, fumbled snaps, Oline not coming off of the ball, DB's just not covering anybody). Other than the old school approach of doing up downs, running sprints, etc..., which doesnt really work as much these days, what are some things that you guys do or have done in the past. During fall camp 2 years ago, we had meetings pre practice for our second practice of that day. We could tell they were dead. After the meeting we told them to go back put their shorts on and we took them to our school pool. Kids loved it and the intensity picked up significantly the next day.
|
|
|
Post by brophy on May 9, 2010 7:39:12 GMT -6
Moreso than ever, with today's athlete, I personally believe that the role of the coach requires they set the model/pace for enthusiasm and details/competition.
It used to be we just could show up and demand particulars and if the kids didn't meet them, then they run. Now, I hate to say 'coddle', because it isn't that, but it is important that the position coaches really hammer each rep (set the tone for excellence) and emphasize its importance ("work on just ____ this rep, effort, specific movement technique", etc). Is this making a coach a 'hype-man'? Absolutely not - it is more about the coach directing the process for each player, cueing what you're looking for on the rep (what they need to be focused on), clearly going over the execution you want, loading praise on all the little things they're doing correctly, and if you can build up the player with these little things, you eventually lead it to a 1-on-1 competition (who is going to 'win' this rep?).
It is making it personal for each player (engaging them) and doing so that the player sees that what we're doing is FOR them and not TO them. Where else are kids going to get that much personal attention and encouragement on a daily basis? It isn't just telling a kid(s) 'do this', it is explaining to the kids exactly what you want, watching them do exactly that, and correcting them on each rep until they get it (telling them exactly what they have to do to get it right)....this builds up a series of (small) 'wins' to increase their confidence (and entice them)
The point of that paragraph was to essentially advocate taking the control of tempo out of the hands of kids. There is nothing worse than being at the mercy of a group of slappys. If you have an install plan or only so many practices....going through a dead practice really sucks - its like everyone is just wasting time out there. It sounds like a lot of work, but (imo) it is an investment worth making because I don't trust/want kids dictating the course of practice. If one kid lacks effort on 1 play - he can start running. If more than one kid lacks effort on a drill, movement, or play - they all run....this quickly sets the tone of what speed we will operate on. Kids will learn how to properly play at football speed....not the kids dictating the speed football is played. These are clear expectations and attitudes that will (and won't) be accepted.
When practice goes 'flat' it is one of two things; effort or execution (fundamentals). Coaching is all about control and I sure as hell don't want the kids in defining/dictating those two critical elements - I'm going to be the leader there (the rest will take care of itself).
This is just like a teachers classroom, I'd imagine. Either you control the classroom (behavior) and clearly set the expectations of how to be a student, or the kids will (and the education milieu in that classroom will wane from student to student, subject to inconsistent standards).
|
|
|
Post by Defcord on May 9, 2010 7:55:10 GMT -6
Like you said we have all seen this. I do like to run kids. I know people say this doesn't work as well with kids today but I disagree. I think if you can clean the slate after kids run then they get they are running for a purpose. This obviously doesn't answer your question though.
One thing I saw done by a coach a few years back that I thought was smart I started doing in both baseball and football is when things get sloppy take the balls away. Sometimes kids start focusing on the end which is getting the ball in the endzone or making the out in baseball and start forgetting about the process. You take the ball away and they are forced to focus on the mental process step by step. In basebal when I first became a head coach we were awful during pregrame infield/outfield so we went to not using a ball and it worked wonders. After a while we added the ball back in for a half and half session with and without. Our focus and attention to detail increased greatly. In football the coach I saw seen this only used it once or twice a year when things got sloppy but you could see kids gain focus immediately.
The only thing I would caution if you were to use this is to tell the kids every motion should be exactly the same as if they had the ball intact. Still want good snaps, still want good throws or handoffs. Still want kids looking cathces in and tucking the ball away.
I know this sounds dumb as helll but hope it may help in a way.
|
|
|
Post by coachdubyah on May 9, 2010 7:57:18 GMT -6
Excellent post.
|
|
|
Post by 19delta on May 9, 2010 8:07:15 GMT -6
Great post, Brophy.
Every once in a while, you are going to have a bad practice. However, if it is something that is happening consistently, you need to look in the mirror. Old saying..."you are either coaching it that way or letting it happen".
These are some of the rules I follow when writing a practice plan:
1) Practice should be about 2 hours long. If we are practicing for 2.5-3 hours a night, we are either doing too much or aren't using the time we have effectively
2) Practices should follow a similar structure each day. There should be a "routine" about practice. Constantly changing the structure of the practice schedule will lead to kids being confused and time being wasted.
3) Instead of a few long segments, have several short segments. I try to keep segments between 10-15 minutes each. That makes sure kids focus on getting quality reps rather than going through the motions.
4) No "busywork" drills. If I am going to give a coach 10-15 minutes for individual or group instruction, I had better see those kids working on football-specific drills that are geared to what we do offensively and defensively. In fact, there should be a core group of drills that is done every day. If it's Week 6 and I see d-linemen doing high knees over agility bags, I'm not going to be happy.
Don't waste the kids' time...they KNOW when coaches aren't prepared for practice and it p1sses kids off (as it should).
5) The practice plan should be "geared for success". For example, if we are in a team segment and want to work on our play action passing game, we will make sure that the defensive scout team is aggressively playing the run. Nothing worse than an OC or DC trying to work on specific elements of the gameplan and the scout team coordinator is doing his best to show those guys how smart he is.
Everything should be scripted out before practice...as an OC, he should give the scout team coordinator the specific fronts and coverages he want him to run versus the plays he want to work on. As a DC, he should give the scout team coordinator a good set of scout cards that show blocking schemes and script out the plays based on tendencies.
Honestly, this is the point where most practices break down. Coordinators want to work on certain things, but no one has given the scout team players and coaches specific instructions in what they should be providing. This can become very frustrating. Purpose of team segments is to work on specific elements of the gameplan. It's not so the scout team coach can show everyone how smart he is.
As brophy stated earlier, the practice plan should look like classroom lesson plans. Every minute that we have those kids should be filled with meaningful instruction (wall-to-wall teaching).
|
|
|
Post by coachmoore42 on May 9, 2010 8:37:17 GMT -6
When practice is not working, we "hit the reset button."
We'll send them to pre-practice special teams stations and whistle them up for stretches and restart practice. We still end at the expected time, but a slightly shornened version.
One question I get asked when we do this is "what about the wasted time/missed opportunities/etc." My opinion is "that practice wasn't doing us any good, so why continue down that path."
We usually do this once a year, and so far it has been successful in getting more out of practice than we were before we hit the button.
|
|
|
Post by davishfc on May 9, 2010 13:09:03 GMT -6
brophy and 19delta...great posts
indianacoach...I like the idea of taking the ball away and having them concentrate on what needs to be done technically in order to properly exceute their respective assignment on the given play.
I like the possibility of an alternative to use in this "lull" situation. I am not at all against running the individual or the team...I have and will continue to do so. But like anything else I would like to develop a toolbag of answers to counteract this situation. Sometimes the attitude that running the team creates is not always productive. I would much rather keep getting work done and have the emphasis be on "executing" rather than "not running." I would much rather use volume to create a positive change and I have found that it works for me. Running them is usually a later course of action for me. Maybe I can plug in the "no ball" technique and have a 5-step process. My approach to our kids going through the motions usually breaks down like this:
1. Calmly and decisively let them know what I see happening (gives them a chance to police themselves and get it corrected)
2. Raise my voice or make a comment about our opponent for a wake up call which usually works to get things back on track (I told them what I saw and they didn't get it worked out themselves...also I'm letting them know my patience with this lack of effort and/or execution is wearing thin)
3. Down-ups (it's time for something not fun...we do them in place so it doesn't disrupt practice completely...we can stay in our formation and then get back to our team segment)
4. Time to run 'em (maybe 'til one of them pukes depending on how bad it is)
Any suggestions on where to maybe plug-in the "no ball technique" here? Thanks in advance.
|
|
|
Post by blb on May 9, 2010 13:54:47 GMT -6
I tell the kids I know we we're going to have some bad practices during the season, but it's not going to be today. And we're going to get two good hours in, even if it takes us six.
So it's up to them.
|
|
|
Post by jgordon1 on May 9, 2010 18:10:32 GMT -6
We will sometimes take a collective deep breath as a unit..press the reset button if you will
|
|
|
Post by coachd5085 on May 9, 2010 20:00:11 GMT -6
I have done the up/down/running thing as well...but I have always wondered "how is making them more fatigued going to help us focus". Still did it, because I don't have any better ideas.
|
|
|
Post by coachdubyah on May 9, 2010 21:02:04 GMT -6
I have done the up/down/running thing as well...but I have always wondered "how is making them more fatigued going to help us focus". Still did it, because I don't have any better ideas. That is the way I probably should have started this post. All of these posts are excellent and I have picked up some great info. from them. With that I will redirect the thread a little. I got a little wordy with my initial post (been in bed sick all weekend so the drugs were still workin me). Anyways, I have done the up down thing 1000's of times. I am all for YOU as a coach dictating the tempo of practice but, I just want to know if there are things you guys do to give the kids some incentive or create competition. I'll use USC as an example: when Pete Carroll was there they had "Competition Tuesdays", "Winning Wednesdays", and "No Do Over Thursdays". I used that a little last year about 2 weeks into the season. So with that does anyone else have any good "inovative" ideas as to get you over the LULL. Sorry if this is confusing.
|
|
|
Post by 44dlcoach on May 9, 2010 21:05:41 GMT -6
We usually don't get to the point of running them for long as a "punishment" or anything like that, but we are lucky enough to have the numbers to replace people if it's only a couple individuals that aren't focused.
When we have that situation where things seem to snowball and we aren't getting good reps, we have told the kids to take a jog around the practice field and lets start over, but even then it's not really addressed like a punishment, more like the "reset button" analogy used earlier.
Edit: Unless we're on defense, whether it's right or wrong, and for whatever reason, when this sort of thing happens on defense it seems to stem more from a lack of effort than anything else, and we address it the way we address any lack of effort, which tends to be a little louder and a little bit less of the "let's take a deep breath and start over."
Not to say that we just scream and yell at the kids and think that "trying harder" will solve all our problems on D, we correct their mistakes and answer any questions they have, but there is a little bit shorter leash when it comes to the lack of focus on D.
Not designed to be a criticism of our offense, our offensive staff and defensive staff are largely the same, we just handle things a little bit differently on the two sides of the ball, which I think is the right way to do it.
|
|
|
Post by brophy on May 9, 2010 21:16:29 GMT -6
The argument against running is analogous to spanking your kids....sure it can work as a way to train, but it misses the point - it isn't a be-all-end-all, "just add water" solution.
It IS a way to get your players attention. The thrust of ALL of this is to engage your players. This happens on a personal level, and why it is more true these days than previous generations.
If you can engage your players and set the tempo of practice, you nip this in the bud before the mold of complacency and malaise sets in (hence the 'control' element).
If we expect kids to be excited to participate 'just because' (coach said so) then you will run into the brick wall of lulls more often than not. It is the coach's responsibility to engage their players to participate/execute.
If this is the classroom and all you do is read out of the text book, expect to get more classroom problems because the students aren't actively engaged in the process
|
|
|
Post by 19delta on May 9, 2010 21:43:56 GMT -6
If we expect kids to be excited to participate 'just because' (coach said so) then you will run into the brick wall of lulls more often than not. It is the coach's responsibility to engage their players to participate/execute. Yep...what brophy said. At my school, we are on the block schedule. We have kids for about 90 minutes. I know teachers who will lecture for the ENTIRE 90 minutes...kids HATE those classes because there is no engagement at all...no chance for the kids to feel that they are part of the process...they are simply functioning as a passive audience for the teacher. Same thing in practice...if kids are not actively engaged...if the tempo of practice is not kept at a high level...if there is a lot of down time, graba$$, and long, boring, repetive segments that really do not build on the necessary skills needed to accomplish the gameplan, then kids are not going to feel that their time is being utilized optimally and they will eventually lose focus and practice will grind to a halt.
|
|
|
Post by currier58 on May 9, 2010 21:59:21 GMT -6
I think having a high pace, energetic practice is the most important factor in having kids participate enthusiasticly (as has been stated in previous posts). If a coach does this, then I believe kids will enjoy practice and want to be there. In his books, John Wooden advocates ending, or at least threatening to end practice whenever effort is not up to the coach's standard. When the kids love practicing, the most devastating thing a coach can do is to take that away.
|
|
|
Post by cnunley on May 10, 2010 5:32:34 GMT -6
I have done the up/down/running thing as well...but I have always wondered "how is making them more fatigued going to help us focus". Still did it, because I don't have any better ideas. That is the way I probably should have started this post. All of these posts are excellent and I have picked up some great info. from them. With that I will redirect the thread a little. I got a little wordy with my initial post (been in bed sick all weekend so the drugs were still workin me). Anyways, I have done the up down thing 1000's of times. I am all for YOU as a coach dictating the tempo of practice but, I just want to know if there are things you guys do to give the kids some incentive or create competition. I'll use USC as an example: when Pete Carroll was there they had "Competition Tuesdays", "Winning Wednesdays", and "No Do Over Thursdays". I used that a little last year about 2 weeks into the season. So with that does anyone else have any good "inovative" ideas as to get you over the LULL. Sorry if this is confusing. Are there specific drills Carroll did for Competition Tuesday, Winning Wednesday, No Do Over Thursdays?.....or is that just the emphasis he placed on practice for the day? if what I just asked makes sense.
|
|
|
Post by drewdawg265 on May 10, 2010 11:00:06 GMT -6
Carroll had it as his emphasis of the day but drills were formulated to focus on those. Turnover Tuesday you keep track of the turnovers in a practice and award the defense or offense as a winner by the end of the day. Since we have players that play both ways we like to award an individual as the winner and they get a gatorade at the end of that practice. Forced fumbles, recoveries and interceptions are worth one point.
|
|
lrader
Sophomore Member
Posts: 143
|
Post by lrader on May 10, 2010 11:05:14 GMT -6
We had problems with our "Team" sessions hitting that lull. Instead of having a 15-20 minute team period, we broke them into 3-4 competitions (1st and 10, 2nd and 8, 3 and 15). Since we're a small school, we tried to do things to give the scout team a better chance. One year we had a terrible problem with offsides, so we would start at 1st and 20. If the O wins, the D runs and vice versa. Since the first team should win, they would usually have to run more than if the scout team ran. It did wonders for us to up the competition level and intensity of our team session.
|
|
|
Post by jgordon1 on May 10, 2010 13:47:34 GMT -6
I think having a high pace, energetic practice is the most important factor in having kids participate enthusiasticly (as has been stated in previous posts). If a coach does this, then I believe kids will enjoy practice and want to be there. In his books, John Wooden advocates ending, or at least threatening to end practice whenever effort is not up to the coach's standard. When the kids love practicing, the most devastating thing a coach can do is to take that away. Well I don't know if this fits..but we have pre-planned "Lulls" (if you will)meaning we might be in an intense fundemental period..follwed by a teaching period..followed by a group run..followed by a teaching period (5 min)...How can you have an all intense 2.5 hour practice...IMO..like the classroom ..you have to coach the transition..High intense..teach..high intense..water..high intense, teach..just like a game...respond and refocus as someone wrote on another thread
|
|
|
Post by coachwoodall on May 11, 2010 7:29:59 GMT -6
I had a little league coach that did this.
When we first started on the very first day. We did our cals, then jog a lap around the field. When the whole group got back, He asked, "Who needs a break?"
About 1/2 the hands went up. He said, "See that telephone pole at down there?" All the little helmets turned towards the other end of the field to the pole leading to the score board.
He said, "When you get tired and you will make a mistake. When you make mistakes, we are going to lose. We are going to be in shape so we don't make mistakes. When you need a break, I am going to send you running down around that telephone pole. Now everybody, TAKE A BREAK!"
After I got back I vowed to never need another break all season.
|
|
|
Post by shields on May 11, 2010 7:40:19 GMT -6
For what it's worth...
The first head coach I worked for walked off the field, got on the mower, and started cutting the grass. The kids were having an effortless practice without much enthusiasm, so he got their attention (and that of the assistants). We ran practice and the intensity picked up and it ended up being a very productive workout. After the kids left, the header got off the mower, told us we did a good job, and we all sat around and talked about how well he got ALL of our attention.
|
|
|
Post by brophy on May 11, 2010 8:35:07 GMT -6
The first head coach I worked for walked off the field so, when things go bad, 'quit'? didn't y'all just waste a whole practice there?
|
|
|
Post by blb on May 11, 2010 8:49:34 GMT -6
Kicking the team off the field for poor effort in practice may be counter-productive. Besides lost preparation time you could be teaching them that whenever they don't feel like practicing, all they have to do is an overt demonstration and you'll let them out.
My inclination is to keep them on practice field until I'm satisfied we accomplished the day's objectives, regardless of how long it takes.
In reality I rarely have kept us out longer, and not recently. Things probably wouldn't improve and I'd just get more frustrated.
I simply talk to them straightforward at conclusion that the effort, tempo, or attitude wasn't satisfactory and that we need to do better tomorrow, and put some of responsibility on captains to insure it happens.
|
|
|
Post by coachsky on May 11, 2010 10:42:51 GMT -6
We play "fast break" football. So we try to run everything at a very, very fast pace, as soon as we hit the field.
We have restarted practice, we do send the team (including coaches) on a goal paot to goal post run, to get refocused.
We take responsibility, as coaches, for the intensity and vibe at practice.
We have taken great strides to drastically limit any "spectator time". Nobobdy watches special teams. We have four back up special teams players. Everyone else in in some type of drill work.
We go 15 minutes, prepractice drill work. 2 hours practice. On the clock. Done.
|
|
|
Post by 19delta on May 11, 2010 15:49:41 GMT -6
so, when things go bad, 'quit'? didn't y'all just waste a whole practice there? Yep...made that mistake my first year. Kids called me on it, too. hard lesson learned.
|
|
|
Post by phantom on May 11, 2010 15:55:51 GMT -6
The first head coach I worked for walked off the field so, when things go bad, 'quit'? didn't y'all just waste a whole practice there? If all he did was leave, yes. That's not what he did, though, and it seems to have worked. Trouble is that this stunt only works about once every ten years and backfires more often than not.
|
|
|
Post by 19delta on May 11, 2010 23:11:01 GMT -6
so, when things go bad, 'quit'? didn't y'all just waste a whole practice there? If all he did was leave, yes. That's not what he did, though, and it seems to have worked. Trouble is that this stunt only works about once every ten years and backfires more often than not. Amen, brother.
|
|