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Post by airman on May 3, 2010 20:03:32 GMT -6
would u let a strip club donate to the football program? the guy is a big supporter.
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Post by wingtol on May 3, 2010 20:10:50 GMT -6
No. They pulled an ad from a parent who owned a beer distributor in our program last year.
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Post by 19delta on May 3, 2010 20:27:23 GMT -6
I don't think that is the kind of relationship that a school-sponsored activity should be pursuing.
But, given the funding situation in a lot of schools, you have to do what you have to do, I guess.
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Post by coachsky on May 4, 2010 0:17:44 GMT -6
Not direct financing. In kind donations for coaching staff. I'd draw the line right there.
I kid, I kid.
Absolutely no way. Where would that be okay? Arena League?
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Post by mattyg2787 on May 4, 2010 4:36:52 GMT -6
I think that hilarious. If the kids can't use it, its probably wrong.
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Post by playsmart on May 4, 2010 6:31:55 GMT -6
I think I might. I would need to talk to the school and see what they think. However, if i did accept a donation from a strip club the name or logo will not be posted, printed, or said with the name of my program. If they are willing to donate with no returns from the program accept a thank you from me, then I might consider. There is no way that I am putting their Logo on a program shirt or in the programs at the games.
Also, I would only accept checks because I don't know where the cash is coming from.
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Post by coachcb on May 4, 2010 6:38:53 GMT -6
There's a reason this very situation was a comedic plot in "Bad News Bears".
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Post by blb on May 4, 2010 6:52:25 GMT -6
Advertisement is different than donating.
What if guy has kid on the team?
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Post by airmale on May 4, 2010 6:59:41 GMT -6
Donate, yes. Advertise with sponsorship, no. I fthe guy gives money that is fine. THere will not be any signs or banners showing Billy Bob's Strip and Sip as a loyal sponsor to the program.
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Post by unc31 on May 4, 2010 7:10:17 GMT -6
As stated, if he wants to make a personal donation, great. If he wants to advertise, no way.....unless you do not value your reputation and your job.
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Post by hamerhead on May 4, 2010 7:55:41 GMT -6
How much money we talking about?  Surely that matters... Besides, I think you're all looking at this all wrong. I'd turn it into a career exploration night for the cheerleaders. Maybe they could learn a new halftime dance! |
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Post by coachcb on May 4, 2010 8:09:08 GMT -6
As much as I would disagree with it, I would leave it up to the administration and school board. I just think that it's another can of worms that you end up opening; something that adds to the rest of the crap that goes along with being an HC.
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Post by dubber on May 4, 2010 11:38:15 GMT -6
Donation-----yes
Advertising------no
They are probably happy with just the write-off
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Post by rolltide52 on May 4, 2010 11:47:34 GMT -6
We had this situation a few years ago. We could only take the donation. The owner would buy us anything we asked for. I think he had an issue with his declining morality. However, our morality had no reason to refuse his generosity.
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Post by splitbacks on May 4, 2010 12:24:11 GMT -6
I don't think that this is a question for anyone but the school board, who would say....NO
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Post by casec11 on May 4, 2010 13:21:45 GMT -6
If there is no name posted up and its just a donation... why not?
Are you going to ask every parent who donates how they make their money? Is the club a legal business?
Advertising is a different story
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Post by phantom on May 4, 2010 13:58:32 GMT -6
would u let a strip club donate to the football program? the guy is a big supporter. If there's no advertising involved I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'd feel even better if it was considered a personal donation from the owner/manager of the club rather than from the club. |
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Post by airtrafficcontrol on May 4, 2010 14:03:19 GMT -6
We had a player called "lapdanceogram" sponsor us back when I was a player.(adults not kids btw)
In hindsight it was gaudy and sent a terrible message.
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Post by groundchuck on May 4, 2010 16:40:16 GMT -6
I would take it to the superintendant if the donation was worth the trouble. If I accepted it I would want the admin to have my back in writing that they were OK with it. I think the supt would even check with a board member. Again just to CYA I would do this.
If the answer is yes or no by the higher ups then at least you have cleared yourself of acting alone in this matter.
Is the guy writing a personal check or a check from the business? Does it matter?
Now my guess at our school the admin would say no if something like this occured. I would probably be OK with that.
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Post by airman on May 4, 2010 17:18:27 GMT -6
The guy runs a clean business. never had any problems with say prostitution out of his joint.
It is a very high class( high dollar ) place to say the least where I have been and seen many of the towns upper crust business men who donate to the program go.
He is a former player and has offered to buy some very expensive film equipment we want a couple more jugs machines plus get us a deal on a mobile platform scissors lift so we can film from high angle.
I do not think we wants any advertisement. he is a member of the chamber of commerce and the booster club.
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Post by bobgoodman on May 4, 2010 18:06:58 GMT -6
would u let a strip club donate to the football program? In kind, preferably. |
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Post by groundchuck on May 4, 2010 19:21:21 GMT -6
Sorry I can't let this one slip by........ ....did you say he wants to buy some JUGS machines? How appropriate.  |
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Post by wingtol on May 4, 2010 19:23:03 GMT -6
He is a former player and has offered to buy some very expensive film equipment we want a couple more jugs machines plus get us a deal on a mobile platform scissors lift so we can film from high angle. Sounds like your program is doing pretty well if you need a couple more juggs machines and can afford a scissors lift. |
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Post by brophy on May 4, 2010 19:42:21 GMT -6
Refuse him and give him our program's number.
We'd be happy to accept donations without moral judgments.
It sounds like he's not asking for advert, you're just looking to thumb your nose at a guy's honest entrepreneurial excellence. How is this any different than a guy being an owner of a sports bar donating money/booster clubbing?
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Post by dubber on May 4, 2010 20:38:48 GMT -6
Refuse him and give him our program's number. We'd be happy to accept donations without moral judgments. It sounds like he's not asking for advert, you're just looking to thumb your nose at a guy's honest entrepreneurial excellence. How is this any different than a guy being an owner of a sports bar donating money/booster clubbing? I don't know if the issue is so much based in ethics, as it perception. Unfortunately, the only place where football is a PURE business is the NFL.......at college and definitely H.S. "personal conduct" has to go hand and hand with winning. Now, what is right, and what is tacit herd mentality is an argument a public school football program CANNOT afford to take on. I'm going to guess most of the guys who said "take it" are assistants, and the guys who said "no" are headers. As an assistant (especially if you are a lay coach), you're untethered from conforming to anyone's perception except the HC. The HC, is an administrator, and every decision is a political one. I like the coach who said to get signed documents of affirmation from the school board, AD, principal, whomever that it is ok. That is not the right way.......but it is the CYA way...........and the HC (unless he is GOD), needs to have that in the forefront of every decision making process. |
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Post by phantom on May 4, 2010 20:55:20 GMT -6
Refuse him and give him our program's number. We'd be happy to accept donations without moral judgments. It sounds like he's not asking for advert, you're just looking to thumb your nose at a guy's honest entrepreneurial excellence. How is this any different than a guy being an owner of a sports bar donating money/booster clubbing? I don't know if the issue is so much based in ethics, as it perception. Unfortunately, the only place where football is a PURE business is the NFL.......at college and definitely H.S. "personal conduct" has to go hand and hand with winning. Now, what is right, and what is tacit herd mentality is an argument a public school football program CANNOT afford to take on. I'm going to guess most of the guys who said "take it" are assistants, and the guys who said "no" are headers. As an assistant (especially if you are a lay coach), you're untethered from conforming to anyone's perception except the HC. The HC, is an administrator, and every decision is a political one. I like the coach who said to get signed documents of affirmation from the school board, AD, principal, whomever that it is ok. That is not the right way.......but it is the CYA way...........and the HC (unless he is GOD), needs to have that in the forefront of every decision making process. So, the guy's good enough for the chamber of commerce and booster club but not good enough to give us money? Again, I'm assuming that he's going to give the money with no strings to the strip club. Can we take his money if he comes to our car wash? Can we sell him a 50-50 ticket? |
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Post by dubber on May 4, 2010 21:15:26 GMT -6
I don't know if the issue is so much based in ethics, as it perception. Unfortunately, the only place where football is a PURE business is the NFL.......at college and definitely H.S. "personal conduct" has to go hand and hand with winning. Now, what is right, and what is tacit herd mentality is an argument a public school football program CANNOT afford to take on. I'm going to guess most of the guys who said "take it" are assistants, and the guys who said "no" are headers. As an assistant (especially if you are a lay coach), you're untethered from conforming to anyone's perception except the HC. The HC, is an administrator, and every decision is a political one. I like the coach who said to get signed documents of affirmation from the school board, AD, principal, whomever that it is ok. That is not the right way.......but it is the CYA way...........and the HC (unless he is GOD), needs to have that in the forefront of every decision making process. So, the guy's good enough for the chamber of commerce and booster club but not good enough to give us money? Again, I'm assuming that he's going to give the money with no strings to the strip club. Can we take his money if he comes to our car wash? Can we sell him a 50-50 ticket? Let me be clear, I'd take the money.....I have no ethical hang-ups about it. I do have ethical hang-ups with strip clubs, but that is not the point...... So, the guy's good enough for the chamber of commerce and booster club but not good enough to give us money? I didn't say this........I didn't say anything close to this. I am saying the community and administration MAY have a problem with it. I'm guessing by the dissenters on this thread that there are some people who have a moral objection to it. I think that position is illogical. However, I also think it is illogical to ignore what could be a majority opinion simply because their position is illogical. Just because a group of people's position is wrong.......if they have the numbers and the power, I need to make sure I don't tick them off. Especially when I have higher concerns (the programs, the players, my assistants, etc.)........ So, the cautiousness is NOT due to ethical concerns, it is related to handling the politics of the situations......... It ain't right, but it is what it is....... |
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Post by larrymoe on May 4, 2010 21:24:43 GMT -6
Check with admins first. If it's just a donation of money with no expectations of advertising or you publicly acknowledging the establishment, I don't see what the problem is.
I'd do it in a heartbeat after CYA first. I don't see what the big deal is if it's a quiet, private donation. What's the difference between him giving you money and they guy who owns a tractor dealership? People's perception of what they do to make a living?
And for the record, I'm a HC.
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Post by phantom on May 4, 2010 21:52:09 GMT -6
So, the guy's good enough for the chamber of commerce and booster club but not good enough to give us money? Again, I'm assuming that he's going to give the money with no strings to the strip club. Can we take his money if he comes to our car wash? Can we sell him a 50-50 ticket? Let me be clear, I'd take the money.....I have no ethical hang-ups about it. I do have ethical hang-ups with strip clubs, but that is not the point...... So, the guy's good enough for the chamber of commerce and booster club but not good enough to give us money? I didn't say this........I didn't say anything close to this. I am saying the community and administration MAY have a problem with it. I'm guessing by the dissenters on this thread that there are some people who have a moral objection to it. I think that position is illogical. However, I also think it is illogical to ignore what could be a majority opinion simply because their position is illogical. Just because a group of people's position is wrong.......if they have the numbers and the power, I need to make sure I don't tick them off. Especially when I have higher concerns (the programs, the players, my assistants, etc.)........ So, the cautiousness is NOT due to ethical concerns, it is related to handling the politics of the situations......... It ain't right, but it is what it is....... Maybe things are different here. I can't imagine that anybody would care that we took a donation from an individual who owns a strip club. I don't even know how anyone would know-or care- where we got the money. If we were in a smaller town maybe it would be a problem. |
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Post by Coach Shane on May 5, 2010 1:42:44 GMT -6
Personally I have had a few big time Adult Entertainment Companies fund some of my travel softball teams without any strings or asking for recognition. ( I lived in the San Fernando Valley AKA Porn Valley) It allowed players to play who could not afford the cost of travel to tournaments to participate. I have also had Cleats Gloves and other stuff donated for individual players who could not afford quality equipment.
Most of the parents new about it before joining us and had no problems with it since the kids had no idea where the money came from. One parent had concerns but after seeing that I ran a family style club decided to stay.
If people do have problems with it then ask them to make up the difference and watch them become quite very quickly.
What I would never do is allow an Adult Entertainment company to buy advertisement as the kids are under age and should not be exposed to businesses in such ways.
Most legit Adult Entertainment Companies are members of local Chambers of Commerce and most have plaques recognizing their contributions to Police, Fire and other community resources..
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