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Post by oriolepower on Apr 27, 2010 20:40:13 GMT -6
We watch a lot of film with our players but are looking at ways of being more productive. Any tips on helping teach the players to use film time more productively? We do breakdowns, reports, explain what to watch on each play, but are looking at ways to make it better.
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Post by drewdawg265 on Apr 28, 2010 0:23:58 GMT -6
It helps me to define what the purpose is for watching film. Are we watching ourselves?(technique/execution/effort). Are we watching our opponent?(tendancies/personell/game-plan).
Once we define what we are trying to accomplish through watching the film we will try to make cut-ups that focus on our purpose. I have found watching film by position is most beneficial if you have the time or coaches.
I like to keep the sessions short(20 minutes or less). Keep the sessions focused. Don't watch the game start to finish. Instead break up ST,O and D. Or maybe break it up into situations. Backed-up, Red-Zone, Goal-Line, 3rd down, 2nd and 1st.
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Post by wolfden12 on Apr 28, 2010 11:02:52 GMT -6
drewdawg265, Good point. Cut-ups are best. Kids attention is lost after 30 minutes in my opinion and that is pushing it. Make a list of good vs. bad, cut-up, cover, move on.
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Post by seagull73 on Apr 28, 2010 11:57:34 GMT -6
Get HUDL. It lets you write notes on the screen that pop up while watching film. Great graphic options & they can watch it at home before that get to school on Monday.
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Post by sandstorm on Apr 28, 2010 12:01:59 GMT -6
Get HUDL. It lets you write notes on the screen that pop up while watching film. Great graphic options & they can watch it at home before that get to school on Monday. Honest question, and I'm hijacking here, but better than Apex, Coach Comm, or DSV? Why?
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 28, 2010 12:14:44 GMT -6
I don't like having kids watch the scouting films. Mostly because most kids don't know football, let alone how to watch a game film to determine anything about their opponent. They usually end up thinking the other team sucks because game film seems to look slower or they're checking out the cheerleaders. Especially if given to them to watch unsupervised during study hall or lunch.
I do however like watching our own film. But kids kind of need to be taught how to watch it. I always want them to watch themselves the first time through a play. See what you did right/wrong. From there see what those around you did. If you're a CB on a toss that was successful, did you set the edge? If no, then there's where the play broke down. If you did, but it was successful, where was the breakdown? Did the OLB not pursue the play correctly? Did the S not run the alley? So, I try to get them to understand what they need to do first, and then move on to understanding what those immediately around them need to do, then to what we need to do as a team.
It does take some intelligence to do it this way, and we weren't real good at it this year. I usually break every film down play by play before we watch it and two years ago I wouldn't have to read my notes, the kids would tell me where a breakdown occurred before I could read them. This year.... Well, it was different.
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Post by drewdawg265 on Apr 28, 2010 12:58:07 GMT -6
This is our film schedule during the season. Monday 30-45 min. watch the previous game cut-ups. 5-10 ST plays, 10-15 Defensive plays and 10-15 Offensive plays. Pick out the plays that demonstrate your points of emphasis for the next week.
Tuesday and Thursday morning 20 minutes of opponents offense and 10 of their defense. Again we pick the plays we want to realy focus on. It might be the opponents top 4 runs and 2 passes. It might be a formation tendancy that stands out. We really focus on difference maker plays. When we look at their defense we will focus on situations 3rd-down, red-zone, goal-line if they show some tendancies or change what they normally do.
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Post by darin on Apr 28, 2010 19:13:56 GMT -6
My experience at the high school level is that you need to watch film in small groups. If you have the resources watch film as a position group so that you can have a strong coach:player ratio.
Prior to watching a play you now have fewer players "distracted" and less likely to daydream. When you have all players and positions you either have multiple coaches talking at the same time or one kid getting ripped in front of his peers and it could be counter productive.
If you have the technology and time to make cut-ups for what you are specifically wanting to watch that would help: inside run, perimeter period, team, down and distance situations etc.
Just my two cents.
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Post by coachguy83 on Apr 28, 2010 19:45:44 GMT -6
I listened to a college OL coach talk at a clinic last year about how his guys don't really know how to watch film. So he makes up a worksheet that they have to fill out during the week and turn in for a grade. He says the sheet helps keep them focused on exactly what they are supposed to be looking.
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Post by husky44 on Apr 28, 2010 19:57:27 GMT -6
How do you find enough time during the week to watch film? We bring the kids in on Sunday evening to watch some cut ups of the previous game and to watch film of our upcoming opponent for about 15 min. O/D each and then lift. We watch a little bit of film on Tues. after practice 15 min. and that is about it. Our practices are 2 hours and 15 minutes, do you guys keep the kids even longer to watch film at the end? We also bring our kids in Tues. morning for lifting. We run a flexible modular schedule so we do not have a common lunch period available. How many of you bring them in before school? I would like some ideas.
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Post by highball007 on Apr 28, 2010 21:35:41 GMT -6
Film is an essential tool in all winning programs were I am from!
Sat. Morning Film of Friday nights Game and Lifting Session Sun. Completely off (Family Day) Monday Film make up for misses on Sat. before school at 6:30 Tuesday at Lunch last 15 min of lunch in position coaches room. Wednesday after Practice watch as a whole O or D for 15 minutes. Thursday kids can watch on own if they choose. Kids can come get a DVD anytime to take home.
We have a worksheet for each position to fill out by practice Wednesday! The kids do learn better in short burst. We would like to have our Computer labs open and be able to use on Sat. but we will see on that one.
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Post by dirtybird13 on Apr 29, 2010 7:56:49 GMT -6
Film is essential in our program, and we have had a fair share of forward progress as a direct result. First things first, the whole team watches special teams film daily (practice film), then offense and defense break to watch our scrimmage situations. We focus on technique, what went wrong/right, etc. Game film our players watch less of, though we do review it. This tends to be within position groups, but always with a Coach in the room. I personally like to highlight a few good and a few bad plays... I feel like this translates well for them... (Think "You got beat here because you led with the wrong foot, hat placement was wrong, etc.")
We also use Apex to create cutups for a our players on a weekly basis. I do our opponent breakdown for the offense, so I focus on fronts, coverages, and blitzes. We assign our players 2 DVD-RW's at the beginning of the season and to get their next set of cutups they must turn in their previous weeks.
To be honest, I really like our way of handling film... I think film, being one of the most important tools for a Coach, is naturally one of the most valuable tools for a player.
"The eye in the sky never lies."
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Post by eaglemountie on Apr 29, 2010 8:05:03 GMT -6
I've always felt like the biggest challenge was the kids getting over a big hit or a big play and the oooos and ahhhs.
If you let them get it out of their systems then go back and teach why the big play happened that works best.
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Post by gdoggwr on Apr 29, 2010 8:39:26 GMT -6
Get HUDL. It lets you write notes on the screen that pop up while watching film. Great graphic options & they can watch it at home before that get to school on Monday. Honest question, and I'm hijacking here, but better than Apex, Coach Comm, or DSV? Why? *** I know this probably should go in a different post, but... from personal experience with Hudl and formerly DSV, hudl is EASY. its quicker to input, comment etc. Plus its all online so players can watch it anywhere, anytime. Our player love it. As far as watching film explaining to the player the purpose of film study is huge. they need to know what they are supposed to be doing. Are the grading themselves, watching opposing tendencies, etc. In his D-Line book Fritz Shurmur has a chapter about film study and how he taught it to his (NFL) players every season. He included film study sheet that players filled out. It was D-Line specific but it would be easy to adapt to other positions. Its probably worth checking out that book at the library just for that chapter regardless of the position you coach. Hope I made some kinda sense, gwr
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Post by jrarick on May 3, 2010 9:30:45 GMT -6
Coach! We believe that watching ten plays well is better than 150 plays quickly. We also believe it is better when you can group plays together in common clusters. (Outside zones behind the TE, toss sweeps to the wide side etc.) Players start to look for the the good and bad a lot quicker. We believe that it is a great idea to watch special teams plays in groups about every three weeks. Put all the kickoffs together - and you'll start to see some patterns emerge. Do that with all the different specials. When you only get a chance to watch two or three punt returns a game - or two kickoffs etc. you just don't catch problems fast enough. What might appear to be a fluke on one play starts look like a pattern when you watch the same play type over two or three weeks. We believe it is better to watch two or three year old game film that shows next week's opponent against you - then it does to show next week's opponent game from last week, when their opponent is nothing like you. We believe that any time you can get a player to stand up with the laser pointer and describe the play - you are really gaining ground! Jack Rarick Holt Football www.coachsvideoassistant.com
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