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Post by beaversans on Apr 28, 2010 10:30:05 GMT -6
I have been here...successful DL coach told by my HC (former DC) that we were going from a 4-2-5 to a slanting 3-4. I totally disagreed, but did what I was told. I learned the specifics of slanting techniques...in the ned, I still hate the slanting 3-4 philosophy, but now as a DC, I run my DTs in 2 tech and slant opccasionaly using the principles I learned that year. You don't know how effective it will be. Keep learning, use what you can in the future and disregard the rest.
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Post by phantom on Apr 28, 2010 10:48:27 GMT -6
My 2nd year I moved up to varsity o-line coach. The problem was the head coach was also a former o-line coach and even played pro. I learned a valuable lesson that year. Avoid position where the head coach came from your position because you well never be a full position coach. I couldn’t start the line that I wanted to start. I couldn't run the pass pro I wanted to run. I couldn't use the technique I wanted to use. I couldn’t use the drills I wanted to use. Wow, that is such a broad generalization that I don't even know what to say. My experience has been 180 degrees different. When I worked for a former OL coach he understood my problems and was very helpful. I don't think it's a question of the HCs background. I think you're looking at the difference between a good and a bad HC.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 28, 2010 13:21:40 GMT -6
I coach soph/jv DBs anbd varsity CBs. The DC I work under has coached DBs in the program for years. I learned more about DB play and defense in general in my first year under him than in the rest of my coaching years combined.
When I have interviewed for jobs, I tell the AD and the HC that I know Xs and Os, but that don't open my mouth about them. The only time I pipe up is if I think that we're doing something that isn't sound, fundamentally. And, it had better be REALLY unsound for me to say something.
I coached under a LB coach that basically taught his LBs to run around blocks. They never engaged; the only contact that they made was a little rip move through the blocker's outside shoulder. They were always out of position and took themselves out of plays. They would put the rest of the front seven in a bad position because blocks were never neutralized.
I brought it up (professionally) behind closed doors after watching our LBs blow assignment after assignment. I showed them the technique that I thought we should be teaching, the HC agreed with me and things changed. Had he not agreed with me, I would have dropped it.
It's the nature of the game; if you're an assitant, you teach the skills that the HC/OC/DC want you to run. You get enough experience under your belt and then you take an coordinator or HC job and run things the way you see fit.
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Post by lochness on Apr 28, 2010 15:44:34 GMT -6
You can't be an assistant coach and not have some aspect of a scheme / techniques / philosophy that you disagree with at some point.
We've all been there.
If you're going to quit every time you disagree with a technique being taught, it's going to be a short stay in this profession for you.
You say the technique the guy wants to use is "wrong." What does that mean exactly? Does it mesh with the rest of the defensive philosophy, assignments, reads, and fits? Does it endanger the safety of the kids or of the opponents? I think it's a bit much to think of it as "wrong" unless it meets one of these two conditions.
So, I guess my advice is: No, do not quit becuase you disagree with something. Quit only if you're going to be a cancer and gripe and moan about it every chance you get. At this point, you've done your job. You've pitched your argument and it's been denied by the chain of command. Unfortunately, now it's time to fall in or get out.
I'm not trying to be harsh...but it's really just that simple.
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Post by blb on Apr 28, 2010 16:43:56 GMT -6
^ What he said.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 29, 2010 8:58:57 GMT -6
Another thing to bear in mind: if you stay with the program and complain about the techniques, you will get thrown under the bus every time something bad happens.
I have been giving you examples of where I have been the 'saint', but I had to learn this lesson the hard way.
I coached freshman LBs and RBs for a big school (2000 kids) and had some issues with the way the coordinators were doing things. I was very wrapped up in Xs and Os and disagreed strongly with what the OC was doing. We were running the varsity playbook, but it was totally grab bag. It was bad at the upper levels and far worse at the freshman level; every formation we ran used a different running blocking schemes and different plays. Now, I knew before we even played a game that we were going to have issues, but it was something that was out of my control. BUT, I didn't realize it was out of my control and got into it with the OC several times over things.
It was tough for me to teach all of the RB techniques that were required, but I didn't bring that up. I just kept hammering the Xs and Os over and over again. For example, when we moved into splitbacks, we were either throwing the short game or running quick pitch. It wasn't a sound but I didn't focus on the techniques that I needed to teach, I got frustrated.
Now, we weren't successful, it was a terrible season. And, because I was very vocal about the scheme, I was tossed under the bus. Had I simply stated (once) that I wasn't comfortable with the number of RB skills I had to teach, I would have been better off. AND, wasn't focused on the skills, I was p-ssed off about the scheme. I wasn't a good coach that season and I paid for it with the not only the freshman staff, but with the varsity guys as well.
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