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Post by 62 on Apr 1, 2010 9:37:36 GMT -6
I am wondering how many programs go to 2 practices a week during school when the league standard is 3? Given all the various options kids have now days we have many of our youth players not transferring to the Jr. high and then high school program. Could be burnout from too many sports too many practices so parents influence to try other things. Don't know. But I am thinking about going with the the less is more type idea with going to 2 practices a week. Hopefully that will keep them fresh and wanting more.
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Post by coachalbert on Apr 1, 2010 11:32:23 GMT -6
Coach, I cut my practice from 2 hours to 1.5 hours and then the 3rd day I used it as a walk through maybe an hour at most.
I also gave the kids a day off every 4 weeks or so and sometimes we would all gather and watch DVDs of our games and have pizza
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Post by ojowens411 on Apr 1, 2010 11:34:53 GMT -6
62,
For the reasons you give, the idea doesn't sound bad. I coach 9y/o and I just don't know if I could get everything I needed in before Saturday. At times I feel like I need more than I'm getting now...especially for a big game. We go 3 days a week at 2 hours a pop. But I must also admit that I'd be lost without it. Practice for me is something I look forward to. I love being out there with the kids...especially after a hard day at the office. I sit around my house looking real stupid on off days...not knowing what to do with my spare time except look at film.
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Post by coachbrek on Apr 1, 2010 11:50:41 GMT -6
I am not sure what age group you have but we are 5th and 6th grade combined.
Our first year running our youth program we only practiced twice a week once school started.
We switched to three the next year and have stayed with three for many years now.
Two is not enough, heck three is not enough, but I can live with three.
Only practicing twice a week you will see a big drop in production as the season progresses .When you face teams that practice 3 times a week they will kill you.
Trust me, practicing 3 times a week will not burn them out for Jr. high or high school. If you make it easier now it will really seem harsh when they practice 4-5 times a week in Jr high.
Monday practices are mostly fundamentals, chute, steps, sled, sweep/trap drill, gauntlet, coverage and routes, tackling, DL get offs etc. We will still rep our offense and work on our no huddle two min. offense at the end of practice, but we work our butts off on mondays really stressing fundamentals.
Tues is mostly repping the offense and defense Thurs. is mostly getting ready for the opponent we will see that week.
We still tackle every day and run the line through the chute evrey day.
Wed. is church night Fri. is high school football.
three is perfect for us.
As far as kids missing practice goes we have a strict policy that if they don't practice they don't play.
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Post by 62 on Apr 1, 2010 11:53:47 GMT -6
My way of thinking on this is a little bigger picture for me. I am the commissioner for the youth program and a varsity (high school) coach also. So #1 I am looking at as a way to also get those not so committed parents eased into the football life style so they continue to support football. And #2 to keep the kids wanting more and not getting them burned out before they go up to the Jr. high level and eventually high school level. But as far as getting everything done in 2 days my thought was to organize the practices for effectiveness. Last year the coaches wasted about 30 to 40 min. a practice doing cals and other activities that did not help teach the game of football. So they were already wasting 1 whole practice.Our youth level we really don't scout so we basically are there to teach fundamentals (blocking&tackling) and basic theory.
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Post by coachbrek on Apr 1, 2010 12:24:00 GMT -6
First of all I think it's great that you as the high school coach oversees your youth program.
I totally agree with you about wasted practice time, taking 30 min. to line up and do cal, monkey rolls, laps, etc.
I would set a practice schedule for your youth coaches and tell them why it's so important to keep practice efficient.
However I still like three practices a week.
As we did the two practice thing once. and I like three better.
If you did switch to two I would make darn sure your coaches are on board with you keeping football practice all about football.
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Post by nekoosaayf on Apr 1, 2010 17:02:40 GMT -6
I am entertaining the idea of dropping down during the school year to 2 nights also. We have 3 teams, ages 8-11.
The main possibility that allows us to consider this is veteran coaches with a clear practice agenda. In the past we have had coaches run their kids too much, piggy back races, and extensive water breaks, and other time consuming, non-applicable practice time wasters. We plan on instituting an agenda for the coaches to follow, along with basic learning objectives ourhigh school affiliated football coaches would like to see. It may not be quantity of practice, but quality with the time available.
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Post by coachmsl on Apr 1, 2010 18:58:39 GMT -6
2? heck, i wanna practice every night!!! ;D
I also have been considering the school=2 nights a week with our 8u team.
Not to sure about doing this with the 10u group. We only practice for an hour and a half, so sometimes its tough to get our work in at 3 nights.
msl
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Post by davecisar on Apr 2, 2010 6:56:59 GMT -6
I switched to 3 then 2 nights per week during school about 14 seasons ago. My parents and coaches thought I was nuts, we werent very good as an org, they thought we needed to practice more, not less. We went from 5 then 4 nights a week to 3 and 2. We COMPRESSED our practice schedules. We eliminated cals and set aside conditioning and went to a very intense high tempo practice. We eliminated almost anything not 100% football, minus some of our eval games, team building games and conditioning games which ALL have football components to them. We practice about 1/2 as much as our competition. Since going to this schedule and tightening up our practices to the point Henry Ford would have liked my personal teams have gone 121-17 We have consistently outperformed those practicing 2X times us Heck when I had teams in Omaha, we did the same thing to teams that started practicing in June, when we would start on August 1. In fact some of the teams that started the earliest and practiced the most were some of the worst teams. Practice doesnt make perfect at all Perfect practice makes perfect and priorities are where it's at Coaches WASTE too much time in practice. Im a miser with my practice time, I dont allow it to be stolen by anyone. We do this all the way to 7-8th grade. I will admit we did do 2 very light no pads Saturday walk throughs with the 7-8th graders last year due to some odd schemes we were facing and HUGE gaps left because of flu epidemic- game day personell changes
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Post by daveinsarasota on Apr 22, 2010 8:30:30 GMT -6
I agree with Dave that coaches waste so much time in practice.
My philosophy as it pertains to practice is short segments, small groups, over a long period of time will garner better results.
We do not do gassers....we condition through our tempo...
Other than the 5 minutes of dynamic stretching, we are doing something "football". Most of our practice time is working on fundamentals, both contact and non contact type of drills.
We don't even do a lot of scrimmaging...just enough to get the job done. It is my opinion that too much scrimmage will produce a diminishing return on the time investement. I have observed practices where a coach is only able to get 1 play for every minute or two. A lot of standing around...head scratching... obviously no scripted plan of what to do.
I will practice 3 times per week. But with the small groups, quick tempo...we get a LOT of reps, which is critical.
My assistant coaches must think I am an a$$ during the season...because I am just as demanding on them as I am the boys. Practice is vitally important to us...and I take it just as seriously as a game.
And we will not step on the practice field unless I have a detailed plan, with every player and coach accounted for, for EVERY minute.
Players do not have time to goof off, because they are always moving, always working. Coaches don't have too much time to yell for nonsensical reasons...they are too busy teaching and coaching. There is too much work to do, to occupy our time with nonsense...
To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, we will chase perfection, and somewhere along the way, we will achieve excellence.
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Post by CN66 on Apr 25, 2010 10:46:16 GMT -6
I agree with Dave that coaches waste so much time in practice. My philosophy as it pertains to practice is short segments, small groups, over a long period of time will garner better results. We do not do gassers....we condition through our tempo... Other than the 5 minutes of dynamic stretching, we are doing something "football". Most of our practice time is working on fundamentals, both contact and non contact type of drills. We don't even do a lot of scrimmaging...just enough to get the job done. It is my opinion that too much scrimmage will produce a diminishing return on the time investement. I have observed practices where a coach is only able to get 1 play for every minute or two. A lot of standing around...head scratching... obviously no scripted plan of what to do. I will practice 3 times per week. But with the small groups, quick tempo...we get a LOT of reps, which is critical. My assistant coaches must think I am an a$$ during the season...because I am just as demanding on them as I am the boys. Practice is vitally important to us...and I take it just as seriously as a game. And we will not step on the practice field unless I have a detailed plan, with every player and coach accounted for, for EVERY minute. Players do not have time to goof off, because they are always moving, always working. Coaches don't have too much time to yell for nonsensical reasons...they are too busy teaching and coaching. There is too much work to do, to occupy our time with nonsense... To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, we will chase perfection, and somewhere along the way, we will achieve excellence. Good points all the way around. That is much how we ran our 5th/6th grade team. Our kids play in a local league featuring six teams from five towns in southeast Arkansas. Its pretty good youth football in a pretty good football area, lots of emphasis placed on the programs. We kept a three practice per week model from the start of our season (starting the day school started) and really preached up-tempo practice work, fitting as much as we could into two hours on Monday and Tuesday and a shorter walk-through practice on Thursday. As you mentioned, we were also INDO heavy. We had strong #s in our program, but a significant drop-off from our 1s (and some 2s) to the rest of the roster...lots of kids just getting into the game. This lead us to cut down on live scrimmage work. As opposed to full scrimmage stuff during practice, we worked half-line alot...best on best. Our kids enjoyed this, especially since they could get a good look. We'd do this for our less experienced guys, too...really working to get our kids reps against similar talents. This allowed them to get experience and build-up confidence. The majority of our live work was during 7-on-7 periods and during inside drill. We'd have our skill guys working the crap out of our passing game against the secondary look we'd get on Saturday while having our OL rep the fire out of our run game vs. our opponents defensive look. Stress lots of high-energy reps with everything being scripted...down to who was the scout LB and how many plays our scout S would get before coming to play X for us. Our conditioning was reall quick at the end of practice and never involved straight sprints or snakes or things like that. A favorite of our kids were pursuit drills. We'd throw three coaches out there with dummies, line four kids us with their backs to the coaches. On the whistle, the kids would turn and find the dummies...first three to tackle a dummy got a break while the kid left-out would go another rep with the next group. As part of this league, we see some teams that practice four or five days a week. Some teams try to put together two-a-day practices prior to school starting. We've got coaches that stress "toughness" above all else and are out there running Oklahoma Drill in pre-game. Those teams suck. Their kids look unhappy, their parents get pissed when they get mercy ruled. They are just a mess. We've finished second in this league the last two years. Lost to the same team in each season...by 8 points in '08 and by 12 last season. We're not some world-beater program, but we're good and we're feeding prepared kids into our schools 7th grade program. In fact, 2008's team was unbeaten in 7th grade football this season. That's what its about, preparing these kids to continue to play the game while learning alot and having a ton of fun. As was mentioned by other people on this thread, the most effective way to do this is to have a great plan for everything you do every day.
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Post by davecisar on Apr 26, 2010 7:15:31 GMT -6
What allows us to get away with practicing just 2 days a week and doing very well against teams that practice 4-5 days a week is: Priorities Tempo Hudl- using film from the kids home. We get a "free" practice every week because we can get so much done scheme wise by film study/review with comments/arrows via the internet. It is a no-brainer
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Post by daveinsarasota on Apr 26, 2010 7:29:19 GMT -6
What allows us to get away with practicing just 2 days a week and doing very well against teams that practice 4-5 days a week is: Priorities Tempo Hudl- using film from the kids home. We get a "free" practice every week because we can get so much done scheme wise by film study/review with comments/arrows via the internet. It is a no-brainer I honestly believe the HUDL thing is a great idea. I would imagine that you get more quality practice in with your 2 days, plus the HUDL, than most other teams that go 4 or 5 days. I know for a fact we get way more reps in our three days, than most teams could from 5 days. Priorities...tempo...those are key to success in practice. In my experience, the players are the quickest to respond to such a practice method. Some coaches have to get a fire lit under them to move at the tempo I require.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 26, 2010 11:18:57 GMT -6
we do 2 days a week, 2 hours at a time for our team for our grade 5-6's. It seems to be working well (first game in 12 days), but we started way before the other teams. But I also have no qualms about giving the kids a little homework, like a 3-page booklet on our defense, little cards that explain their assignments, and youtube videos I put up explaining things. We had our league-wide get-together equipment handout day recently, and the other teams seem to be scrambling to put together lineups, offense and defense in just 3 or 4 weeks.
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Post by CatsCoach on Apr 26, 2010 12:01:34 GMT -6
We go to 3 days a week once school starts for 2 hours. But on Fridday's we do cut practice short 1.5 hours, and it really just a walk-thru for saturdays game.
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Post by adolphrollingover on Apr 27, 2010 9:30:45 GMT -6
What allows us to get away with practicing just 2 days a week and doing very well against teams that practice 4-5 days a week is: Priorities Tempo Hudl- using film from the kids home. We get a "free" practice every week because we can get so much done scheme wise by film study/review with comments/arrows via the internet. It is a no-brainer Do you film your preseason practices and use Hudl, or do you begin to use Hudl once the season starts and you drop to 2 days a week?
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Post by davecisar on Apr 27, 2010 14:38:26 GMT -6
We only use Hudl for our game film AND some opps game film Sure you could use it to break down practice, if you have the resources
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