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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 5, 2010 10:16:55 GMT -6
1- Has anyone EVER had a concern over a defensive stud (regardless of position) being needed on offense? ? Seems kind of stupid that a offensive player would be that different. 2- We had a MLB (in a 5-3) start for 3 years, and his Jr. & Sr. years he started at QB. He was a stud both ways. He also returned punts and kicks. He was on KO team as well. This was at a school of 220 kids.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 5, 2010 10:26:09 GMT -6
I don't understand this debate in the slightest. 1) Your QB is inherently more valuable than every other position because his skill set is so dramatically different than the other positions. And I guess my question was when did the above start to become commonplace in hs football? Not to get into a run vs pass thing, but I DO find it somewhat interesting that the coaching profession (especially the top level-NFL-) seems to be increasing the sophistication/complexity of the passing game even though it is becoming obvious that few players have the skill set to handle what is being asked of them.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 5, 2010 10:33:28 GMT -6
1- Has anyone EVER had a concern over a defensive stud (regardless of position) being needed on offense? ? Seems kind of stupid that a offensive player would be that different. I hear tales of Tommy Cassanova (only 3 time All American in LSU History, member of the Walter Camp All century team ) once was put in at running back in a game. He carried the ball on a sweep, picked up 7 or 8 yards, got hit...got up with a slight limp..and the coaches never put him in on offense again Just tales though, didn't see it myself.
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Post by hamerhead on Apr 5, 2010 20:54:39 GMT -6
I don't understand this debate in the slightest. 1) Your QB is inherently more valuable than every other position because his skill set is so dramatically different than the other positions. And I guess my question was when did the above start to become commonplace in hs football? Not to get into a run vs pass thing, but I DO find it somewhat interesting that the coaching profession (especially the top level-NFL-) seems to be increasing the sophistication/complexity of the passing game even though it is becoming obvious that few players have the skill set to handle what is being asked of them. Again, I would reference my original premise, which is that the "to play or not to play QB on Defense" is answered by looking at the schemes you run offensively. Generally speaking, in my mind at least, the QBs skill set is different if for no other reason than being needed to throw. Only one kids doing that, whereas the other ten are doing similar activities. (Blocking, tackling, etc). Sophistication of the passing game is what determines just how important those additional skills are. If you don't need a complicated passing game or a QB with much of an arm, then hey, play him on Defense if he helps you there. If you do need those things however, than obviously your options become more limited and you need to strongly consider other options on defense. Or just do what the private schools do and recruit another Free Safety.
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Post by the1mitch on Apr 6, 2010 7:37:47 GMT -6
Just thinking, an issue that hasn't come up yet, is what about next year? In my world I like to have "buns in the oven". If wonderboy were to graduate would we have this discussion? Nope! You must have another skilly guy who can rotate or get garbage time. You gotta find that kid and get him some reps now for next year. Lastly, I have been in your shoes numberwise and the complicated permutations of just one move can drive you nuts. I like the suggestion of having a RB who can come in and run two plays while you talk to Billy about that interception or whatever and then get him back in the fray ASAP.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 6, 2010 8:15:43 GMT -6
I've always felt that as important as your QB is, he's not as important as he's portrayed to be. You can survive without the prototypical ideal QB. Worst-case scenario is he IS the crux of your team, he gets hurt and your season goes down the drain because you tried, instead of your season limping to mediocrity because you didn't try.
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Post by k on Apr 6, 2010 8:48:16 GMT -6
Three years ago QB1 = OLB2. Played a little. No problems. Two years ago QB1= FS1. Played every play. Voted league defensive MVP. He was a WR playing QB. Last year QB1 didn't even have a defensive position (he woulda been like DE12 or something. This year QB1 could be CB2 and start (he started like half our games last year) but he probably won't because we're SOOOO deep and QB2 is FB1 and our Frosh QB from last year won't be coming back next year...
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Post by struceri on Apr 6, 2010 10:42:29 GMT -6
our #1 and #2 QB's both play defense and return punts and kicks. Our #2 QB will also play a little WR for us this upcoming season. These 2 kids are too good of athletes to not have on the field. Plus, they both work hard enough in the weight room that physically they can take it.
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Post by coachdennis on Apr 6, 2010 13:30:02 GMT -6
Count yourselves lucky if you are able to do this. I coach in a league that is mandated platooning, so we can't run anyone both ways. Back when I coached in a non-platoon league, though, we handled it differently depending on the athlete. Some years, our QB was QB only. Other years, when our QB was clearly the best athlete on our team, we ran him both ways all day. Kids this age eat it up - one of them was also our punter, if you can believe it. You simply have to get your best 11 guys on the field (or in our case in Canada, our best 12 :-) )
Here's a good moral of the story - I am the head coach, and I am fortunate to have a terrific young offensive coordinator on our staff. He was deathly afraid of having our QB on the kickoff return team, and he begged me not to have him out there. I relented, even though it left us a little talent thin on KOR. Of course, on the first kick off after that, they kicked it right to the worst ball handler we had on KOR, who then promptly fumbled. We got over our allergy to having our QB on the field for KOR pretty quickly after that.
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