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Post by spreadattack on Mar 8, 2010 8:05:36 GMT -6
Curious what people think. Of course not all states allow it -- and any excuse to practice/play some football will be taken advantage of -- but how important is it, and how much do you actually learn from it?
I always just looked at it as a time to get a look at what kind of talent was there, to install some basics, and to work on fundamentals. But am curious if anyone thinks any differently, particularly from different perspectives and levels of coaching. I specifically wonder how different it is with big college programs -- how much do they learn, and how much carryover is there to the season?
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Post by touchdowng on Mar 8, 2010 8:51:20 GMT -6
Most everything in coaching HS football is a trickle down from the collegiate ranks. This is no different with spring football. Schools in our state started doing this about 15 years ago - Some might have always been doing it.
My gut feeling is that it's more of the Jones's keeping up with the Jones's.
The colleges run their drills/scrimmage in the March/April while the HS's (in my state) have to wait until the very end of May. That in itself creates a tight window between a spring injury and the start of the season in the fall.
We started to embrace the time we have with our players in the spring and approached it as a time to get better at our basics. Some schools are big into setting up scrimmages with other teams (injuries galore). Sometimes I think this has more to do with getting kids excited about padding up in May and June than it does with actually accomplishing anything that is worth the reward because there are tons of risks.
We only go against our own team when we do some controlled scrimmaging and we keep each other off the ground to the best of our abilities. In all of those years we NEVER sustained an injury that kept a player from starting fall camp with us.
Spring is also a good time to play with some new ideas (pass combos, protections, defensive stunts, new run play timing. etc.)
We'll limit this to one or two concepts we'll try to experiment with but our overall focus is to get better at individual technique and with our base offensive plays.
Another positive aspect is that we recruit our building like crazy and usually have over 100 players out in the fall. During the spring the numbers are usually bigger because some kids are just trying football to see how good they can be. We've "discovered" a bunch of kids during the spring.
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Post by shields on Mar 8, 2010 11:04:04 GMT -6
When I was in South Carolina, we used it as a time to install a large majority of the playbook. We then took the Summer/7 on 7 to fine tune it/cut it back to what we did well, so when we entered Fall Camp, we knew what we could hang our hat on and what we needed to focus on.
Our practices were 21-24 periods just like in the fall and we culminated with a Spring Game/BBQ with officials.
Now, we faced challenges when there was a huge influx of kids who didn't play in the fall, but we coached them on the run. Many of those kids would not last through the Summer.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 8, 2010 11:37:37 GMT -6
As someone in a state where this is no full pad spring ball I would have to say that it is not that big of a deal that we do not have it. However we are allowed as much time with our players as we want in the off season, I know some states limit how much time and interaction there is in the offseason, so I feel we make up for it in that area.
We start workouts the first week of July in helmets and go the whole month three days a week for two hours before our middle of August full pads start date. Basically doing fundamental drills, 7-7, and insertion of our plays in July. I feel this is more beneficial to us than spring ball esp. since we are a small school and I don't even know if we could do an effective spring ball numbers wise. I think it is also a nice way to get the momentum building to put the pads on.
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 9, 2010 10:16:20 GMT -6
it isnt that important really. We cant use pads so all we do is a lot of footwork type of stuff and teach the very basics. It is more of a help for our new football players. It does help us prep for passing tourneys and stuff that are in the very beginning of summer.
We get much more out of our summer sessions because we can go full gear everyday and this is where we get a lot more done. This year was our best record in over a decade but probably the worst spring ball attendance in the last 5 years... so i dont think it is an indicator
Another reason we dont get a ton from it is because most of our skill guys are still competing in track finals when the season starts
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Mar 9, 2010 10:25:14 GMT -6
I believe it is essential. The more quality reps a team gets the better football it will play. I would love to be involved with HS spring ball...
My current state has regulations against spring ball -
1) No coach may work with any athlete on sport skills outside of the competitive season from Aug 15 until the last day of spring sport competition. This is direct instruction.
2) After the last day of spring season a coach may work with only 2 athletes for a 1 hour period, up to 6 athletes a day, and no athlete may receive more than an hour of instruction on sport skills total per day. So if I work with kids in the summer on sport skills I can only work with 2 kids per hour, up to 6 kids, and once those kids are done with me they can't be coached by anyone else that day...
RI-DICULOUS...no wonder our state's quality of football sucks.
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Post by hlb2 on Mar 9, 2010 17:39:27 GMT -6
I would not say essential, and the biggest reason is turnover rate for us. Since I've been here we've had around 90 kids out in the spring and only return between 75-85 in the fall. They get out there, see it's fun, but then the summer weight room commitment creeps up and they don't want to do it. Spring doesn't really run them off, the weight room does! I personally could do without it, as we have coached the sh!t out of kids in the spring only to have them not show in the fall. Kinda dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 9, 2010 20:53:43 GMT -6
I think the importance of spring ball is obviously relative. If Everybody has it, and everybody does it, then there is relatively little advantage (other than the advantage gained through superior organization and coaching)
I have found that spring is of great importance when recruiting the halls. Give kids a little taste, and gives coaches a chance to evaluate in a no pressure situation. It also is a good maturing opportunity for the upcoming senior class. A chance for them to visualize how they will lead the club next year.
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Post by coachbiskits on Mar 9, 2010 22:12:12 GMT -6
I would love to have some football only time in the spring, but here in MA thats a no-no. I think just having a week or two to work/talk football would go a long way. Even just some classroom sessions and some technique time would make everyone better, and probably safer. Instead, we just have our fall time. Not even allowed to talk to kids about it out of season. Must be nice.
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Post by ramsoc on Mar 9, 2010 22:56:00 GMT -6
We get much more out of our summer sessions because we can go full gear everyday and this is where we get a lot more done. What section are you in that you can go full gear during the summer? Down CCS way, we can't get gear til mid-August. But with our spring ball, I use it to get the team back into a football frame of mind, get as much offense as we can installed and use it as a lil sand box time to try out some new things.
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Post by coachkill22 on Mar 10, 2010 9:28:56 GMT -6
In CT they allow us to choose if we have spring ball. If you choose not to have it, you can start one week early in the summer. We have found we like the extra week before the season, but many teams still use the spring practices.
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 10, 2010 10:38:14 GMT -6
We get much more out of our summer sessions because we can go full gear everyday and this is where we get a lot more done. What section are you in that you can go full gear during the summer? Down CCS way, we can't get gear til mid-August. I was just thinking the same thing. The philosophy for spring ball here has always been to teach fundamentals and get the basic package down as well as we can while preparing for more installation over summer and in fall camp. I'm curious to see the new HC's approach to it, since he seems to do pretty much everything different from how we've traditionally gone about things.
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Post by kahok on Mar 10, 2010 14:15:10 GMT -6
In Illinois there is no Spring ball at all. But we get 25 "contact" days with the kids in the summer. We usually go shells for the most part until the last week when we go to a week long team camp where we full gear it and stay in the dorms. I'm ok with not using spring time, but those summer days are very valuable for install and indy reps.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2010 14:38:55 GMT -6
In CT they allow us to choose if we have spring ball. If you choose not to have it, you can start one week early in the summer. We have found we like the extra week before the season, but many teams still use the spring practices. I'd take that option any day! Spring ball sucks! Duece
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Post by airman on Mar 10, 2010 17:44:56 GMT -6
never had it so I would not know what it is like. I can see those states which have spring and summer practice developing more scholarship athletes for sure.
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Post by 5straight on Mar 14, 2010 16:18:49 GMT -6
We don't get spring practice in IL, but I wish we did. Get the kids minds on football going into the summer plus it would give the coaches a chance to see the progress the players have made
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