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Post by Wingtman on Mar 4, 2010 10:10:21 GMT -6
no worries wooly, thats what makes this place fun..debate thats friendly :-)
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 4, 2010 10:49:48 GMT -6
This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either, just enjoy coaching your defense and whoever "calls plays for the offense" can have some fun with it. I'm thinking something involving dice or a dartboard... the 7v7 league doesn't count, so you can practice random offensive plays and if they don't work, who cares? At the same time, you may want to be on the lookout for a better job.
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kahok
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Post by kahok on Mar 4, 2010 11:05:35 GMT -6
Bizarre situation. I would let the QB call the plays. My question is: Who signed you guys up for 7 on 7?
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Post by falconattack on Mar 4, 2010 11:15:57 GMT -6
As a head coach with Wing T mentality, 7 on 7 has never been terribly important to our offense. (Still looking for a Buck Sweep / Belly / Belly Option league Sorry, had to throw that in. Anyway, even though 7 on 7 helped us with all of our passing game---results were minimal. BUT.......7 on 7 is critical for our defense. Maybe your HC hasn't thought about the tremendous benefits provide on the defensive side of the ball Possibly a face to face meeting, explaining the benefits provide the defense will help him become a better, more holistic coach. Just a thought. On the other hand.....as a head high school coach, my team will NEVER participate in ANYTHING without me being there to, at the very least to support them. I can't imagine any HC not going to 7 on 7
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Post by coach6525 on Mar 4, 2010 11:25:12 GMT -6
I was in a similar situation and I went to the HC and volunteered to attend the 7 on 7 and asked what he wanted me to run. He was good about it and we discussed what we should run and who should play where. That way you will not look like a back stabber instead just trying to better the program. Do any parents say anything about his absence there or in the weight room? Enough parent complaints to the school and you may be getting ready for an interview.
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 4, 2010 11:25:46 GMT -6
If he doesn't value 7's, consider this: we're going to be running some 11 on 11 passing stuff this summer. Full pass rush, offense can run screens and draws. Our HC is a big believer in it, I like it, gives the big boys something to do on the days where we'd normally have 7's scheduled.
But yeah, sounds like a weird situation, time to start thinking long-term alternatives, imo.
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Post by mitch on Mar 4, 2010 12:21:02 GMT -6
I wouldn't let my team go to a pie eating contest without me there.
Get a new job, quick!!!!! This guy is an ass hat.
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Post by phantom on Mar 4, 2010 13:18:49 GMT -6
I wouldn't let my team go to a pie eating contest without me there. Get a new job, quick!!!!! This guy is an {censored} hat. I don't care about 7 on 7 much but pie? I'm there.
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Post by mitch on Mar 4, 2010 13:29:04 GMT -6
I wouldn't let my team go to a pie eating contest without me there. Get a new job, quick!!!!! This guy is an {censored} hat. I don't care about 7 on 7 much but pie? I'm there. Exactly!!!
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Post by smu92 on Mar 5, 2010 7:46:02 GMT -6
5085 all i can say is i wouldn't do it those people hired the guy-let them keep em i wouldn't work there for the hc or those that hired him but throwing the hc under the bus is something i would never do just move on---keep your integrity I second that.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 5, 2010 8:14:08 GMT -6
I wouldn't let my team go to a pie eating contest without me there. Get a new job, quick!!!!! This guy is an {censored} hat. I don't care about 7 on 7 much but pie? I'm there. I have to agree and I also feel that maybe all the background info is not being presented here. I think many people get to hung up on the 7-7 thing now a days. We personally don't put much stock in it BUT we also have summer work outs 3 days a week the month of July where we are in helmets and basically running things like a normal practice. So we get a ton of work done during the summer. Now if you are not allowed any contact with the players except for say a 7-7 situation then I can see how they become valuable. I also have to wonder what kind of O is being run. What kind of league are you in? Those things can factor into the decission of how important 7-7 is. I mean do you really need to get your defense ready for an offense that motions a wr next to the center and then runs him right down the middle of the field? Or a qb who holds the ball for 7 seconds? I am sure that's not the norm on 7-7 but I have seen stuff like that more often than not.
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Post by winstate on Mar 5, 2010 10:52:05 GMT -6
This might be the worst post I have ever read. wooleymal said it earlier, there should not be any room on this website that lets you back stab your head coach.
Then another post says, just run crazy plays, that might not work, who cares. What a joke, way to waste your time and money. I've seen more kids tear up their knees and lost for the real season.
This isn't a debate, this is being disloyal.
Be the assistant coach you would want to have if you were the head coach.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 5, 2010 11:34:42 GMT -6
You and the head coach have a major philosophical difference. I would suggest leaving.
I think it will get ugly if you stay. You are going to bang heads and it will not be pretty.
Move on. Leave the azz clown.
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wingtit
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Post by wingtit on Mar 5, 2010 11:45:34 GMT -6
I'm not really sure how my post was disloyal. I didn't say what school I am at or who my head coach is. I was just wanting some ideas on how to handle this situation. I talked the the Head Coach yesterday. He says the only reason we are in the 7 on 7 league is so we can practice. He doesn't care if we win or if the right kids show up. I posed the question about how the QB's are supposed to get better when they are throwing to a lineman, since none of our skill guys attend. He simply doesn't care. We simply agree to disagree. I am just of the opinion that if you are going to do something, it should be meaningful for the kids. I am definitely going to look for somewhere else to coach. Thanks for all of your responses.
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kahok
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Post by kahok on Mar 5, 2010 11:49:24 GMT -6
This might be the worst post I have ever read. wooleymal said it earlier, there should not be any room on this website that lets you back stab your head coach. Then another post says, just run crazy plays, that might not work, who cares. What a joke, way to waste your time and money. I've seen more kids tear up their knees and lost for the real season. This isn't a debate, this is being disloyal. Be the assistant coach you would want to have if you were the head coach. That's a little extreme. Especially since the OP wasn't the one who asked about informing the administration/board. This absolutely IS a debate. How can someone asking for advice ANONYMOUSLY be disloyal? That doesn't fly one bit. Time to get off the high horse.
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Post by dirtybird13 on Mar 5, 2010 12:00:26 GMT -6
I agree with kahok. This board, at least by my perception, is much like speaking with someone you know in the business about ideas/advice/etc. However due to its nature anonymity allows us a bit more freedom in what we ask. If you are foolish enough to identify yourself, or confident you will never say anything you shouldn't... more power to you. I however look at this as a tool where I can "troll" the mind of my peers with questions, concerns, or other.
I won't go so far as to say anything about a high horse... but I would say as often as we hear about the "spirit" of the rules in our business... be mindful of the "spirit" of this board.
Besides, isn't this better than talking to someone in your area about your frusttrations/concerns/etc who doesn't know anything, or likely wouldn't use discretion in where they mentioned it.
Catharsis Coach... Cahtarsis
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Post by olinecoach61 on Mar 5, 2010 12:02:20 GMT -6
This might be the worst post I have ever read. wooleymal said it earlier, there should not be any room on this website that lets you back stab your head coach. Then another post says, just run crazy plays, that might not work, who cares. What a joke, way to waste your time and money. I've seen more kids tear up their knees and lost for the real season. This isn't a debate, this is being disloyal. Be the assistant coach you would want to have if you were the head coach. Wow! How is asking a question being disloyal? I have no idea where the OP is from. He could be at a school down the street or in Europe. Get real.
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Post by phantom on Mar 5, 2010 12:05:20 GMT -6
I talked the the Head Coach yesterday. He says the only reason we are in the 7 on 7 league is so we can practice. He doesn't care if we win or if the right kids show up. That makes sense to me.
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Post by winstate on Mar 5, 2010 12:43:25 GMT -6
Sorry wingtit. I got the post mixed up and miss read a different post.
Still, to think that someone on this board would post anything about going to the board is crazy. Anonymous or not, to post something behind your bosses back is not right.
Strange that when he did actually go to his head coach, he got his questioned answered. Crazy WOW, talking to the head coach first might have been the best thing to do.
What does where you live have anything to do with this, oline?
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Post by phantom on Mar 5, 2010 12:51:12 GMT -6
Sorry wingtit. I got the post mixed up and miss read a different post. Still, to think that someone on this board would post anything about going to the board is crazy. Anonymous or not, to post something behind your bosses back is not right. Strange that when he did actually go to his head coach, he got his questioned answered. Crazy WOW, talking to the head coach first might have been the best thing to do. What does where you live have anything to do with this, oline? The point is that nobody knows who he is, who the HC is, and what school they're discussing. If he has questions about something why not discuss it here?
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Post by coachcb on Mar 5, 2010 13:01:31 GMT -6
Honestly, as frustrating as these things are, we as coaches have to understand what is in our control.
You can't make an HC/OC value 7-7; you can try to persuade them, but it's still their call.
You can't make them attend.
You can't make the kids attend.
The one thing in your control is your position within the program. If you choose to stay, you do the absolute best with what you've got. Coach your position and your kids and go from there. You can resign from your position (respectfully) and find a better job under a better HC.
You can choose to talk to him about it and figure out what's going on. IMO, it sounds like you're dealing with a guy that's on his way out. If he's not involved with the program in the off-season, it sounds like he's ready to quit.
It's just a waste of time and energy to focus on what you CAN'T do. Focus on what you CAN do and you'll be in a better position and frame of mind.
AND, never, never throw an HC (or anyone else) under the bus within or outside of a program. When there are issues with someone in the program, talk to them directly and discretely. Anything else that you do is counter-productive.
But, a pedantic as this post is coming across, I had to learn this very lesson the hard way. In the past programs I have been involved in, there were all kinds of personality conflicts. And, many times we were all being very reactive, versus proactive. Spending an entire season tossing each other underneath the bus; it just turned into a train wreck.
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cujo
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Post by cujo on Mar 7, 2010 7:42:05 GMT -6
I was a wing t guy who thought 7 0n 7 was a waste too!. And I wasn't going to run stuff that wasn't mine. then defense A runs man coverage (They all do in 7 on 7, unless he is trying to work on his stuff), Not close to my reality. So I do see your coaches point of view. With that said, I still did 7 on 7. I wanted our kids to compete, and you can coach the crap out of them From your stand point, take your defensive kids, be the best OC you can be at these things, work the crap out of you defense, have a ball with your kids. BUT BE LOYAL. If i caught wind of a coach who was disloyal, and he applied with me, I wouldn't hire him. Keep talking to your coach, be the best assistant, and if you are unhappy, leave with your reputation in tact!
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cujo
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Post by cujo on Mar 7, 2010 7:48:30 GMT -6
Not sure if Coachcb is a real coach, he used the word pedantic. My sorry ignorant self had to look it up!!!
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Post by CVBears on Mar 7, 2010 23:26:22 GMT -6
So, coach signs up for 7on7 so he can get practice time in. I get it. Doesn't care who wins or loses 7on7. I get it. Doesn't care who shows up. Okay, I understand. But the HC doesn't even show up?!?!?
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