1/11th
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Post by 1/11th on Mar 1, 2010 10:00:33 GMT -6
We are trying to make our players tougher and wondering if anyone has any creative drills that we can use in the summer to make our players better conditioned while making them tougher...
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Post by superpower on Mar 1, 2010 10:09:45 GMT -6
We expect our kids to lift hard enough to create that toughness.
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Post by 1/11th on Mar 1, 2010 10:49:10 GMT -6
Very true....I guess what I am looking to develop is some form of on field conditioning in the summer that can push the limit....
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Post by wingt74 on Mar 1, 2010 11:30:42 GMT -6
If a puppy doesn't bite when it's young...I'm of the opinion that toughness is something that can't be taught.
The ONLY thing that MIGHT work is by forcing them to deal with adversity to make them tougher. A fancy way to say physically and mentally torture them and try and get them to persevere. (torture too harsh a word, but, can't think of a better one)
Weight lifting is basically that...push through, work hard, even when it hurts...then go a little more.
Watch Miracle. He toughens the kids up by making them take a 300 question test that is irrelevant to the sport...and he conditions them to the point of passing out.
Neither of which any of us could do for so many reasons.
But yeah, just some random thoughts, toughness can't be taught in my book. A lot of "tough" kids come from rough upbrings (i.e. dealing with adversity), had a tramatic event happen in their life (death in family, major injury, picked on by a bully as a kid), or were just born with a chip on their shoulder.
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Post by 42falcon on Mar 1, 2010 11:40:07 GMT -6
I agree to a point about the puppy that don't bite! But other than weight room the only other way to toughen them up is on field drills. The down side to this is you will waste the better part of your season doing this. It involves lots and lots of Alpha drills where the players are put into face adveristy over and over again. Eventualy they get tired of getting their a$$es kicked fight back or they quit. Most often than not they fight back we are all animals by nature and you need to find a way to push that button inside of them to get used to taking a beating but then stand up and fight back.
I went to a HS where the biggest problem someone had was their parents did not buy them a brand new BMW upon graduation so our coaches worked us like dogs put us in on field situations where we had to become tough. We lost 2 seasons straight then all of a sudden were one of the top teams. I have used that same strategy with teams that lack toughness it has worked but there is a huge sacrafice to make early on.
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Post by jrarick on Mar 1, 2010 11:46:35 GMT -6
I would argue that you are trying to develop confidence. And confidence is improved by tough physical training, well planned practices, positive reinforcement and through the use of measurable objectives - making kids accountable. I've coached a lot of "tough" kids - but if they weren't confident they only performed great in situations where they had the upper hand physically. Confident and tough kids are hard to beat. Jack Rarick Holt Football www.coachsvideoassistant.com
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Post by blb on Mar 1, 2010 11:49:28 GMT -6
My last job I replaced a guy who had rebuilt the program through toughness and being a hard-azz.
If I did now what he had done early on in his tenure I'd have been fired after one season if not before.
And after nine years he had more than worn out his welcome, in spite of six straight winning seasons, because of his methods.
There may be some places where the "Junction Boys" approach will still work, but not around here, and it's not my personality anyway.
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Post by John Knight on Mar 1, 2010 11:56:14 GMT -6
If you want to get Tough Knees then....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by dubber on Mar 1, 2010 12:05:57 GMT -6
We expect our kids to lift hard enough to create that toughness. Start, and end, here.
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Post by blb on Mar 1, 2010 12:15:09 GMT -6
It's not a "drill" but we still require our guys to run a timed Mile as part of our Physical Fitness Test before two-a-days.
Why? It has little to do with playing football. But I think it has a lot to do with commitment and mental toughness.
And, as a physical educator, frankly I just believe 14-18 year old kids - especially athletes - should just be able to run a Mile in a decent time (use 85th percentile for "skilled" kids, 50th for OL-TEs).
Kids also know that how many "Power Drills" we do during two-a-days depend on how many of them make their mile time, so there is a little extra team motivation-peer pressure, too.
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 1, 2010 12:26:09 GMT -6
I don't think you can create toughness in drills, but you can reveal it. Our new HC has instituted a game he calls "Sideline basketball" that the kids play wednesdays or fridays during zero period. The brief explanation is that it's a 5 on 5 rugby game with hoops. The kids that aren't tough do OK, the kids that are tough excel.
We've a freshman OLB that I knew was a pretty decent athlete and frame, but that kid is FEARLESS in our game and will get the crap kicked out of him time and again, only to get back after it with more determination each time. I didn't know that about him. That kind of stuff is great for revealing it, but developing 'toughness' comes from over-coming adversity.
I do think we can create adversity, however. It needs to be organized, planned out, and monitored, but we can definitely do it.
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Post by lochness on Mar 1, 2010 12:32:11 GMT -6
Have them stand in a circle and kick each other in the balls.
That will toughen them up.
**That's not mine, by the way...but it really DOES speak to the futility of trying to make kids "tough."
Weight lifting and CONFIDENCE is what makes kids "tough."
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Post by John Knight on Mar 1, 2010 12:46:45 GMT -6
Just remember, no animal drills!
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Post by wingtol on Mar 1, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -6
When I think of toughness I think of the kid who you see pulling his finger back into place in the huddle so he does not have to come out of the game. Can you coach that? No.
As many others have said can you build confidence and show your players the right way to do things so they play more aggressive. Absolutely. Get them in the weightroom, when they see their strength go up and their bodies change they have more confidence. Teach them fundamentals so they know how to do things. Make sure your schemes make sense, don't grab bag it and confuse the kids. Those things go a long way in helping kids play more aggressive.
And practice hard, I was watching a show on the NFL network the other night about two HS teams who had a big rivalry. They both worked hard in the weightroom and were doing a lot of good things. But I noticed the team that had won like 20 in a row against the rival went full pads and hit and tackled in practice. The other team was in shorts and shells the whole time tackling dummies. I don't know if that made a diffrence but if you want kids to play hard then you better practice hard as well.
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Post by norcaldiaz on Mar 1, 2010 14:10:35 GMT -6
I for the most part agree that it's about confidence than toughness, but we do a couple things once or twice a year that are not necessarily football-related that teach (or at least reveal) controlled aggression and fortitude. One of those things is sumo wrestling. We also use it as a way for guys to settle any beef in a controlled manner.
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Post by wingt74 on Mar 1, 2010 14:42:54 GMT -6
I for the most part agree that it's about confidence than toughness, but we do a couple things once or twice a year that are not necessarily football-related that teach (or at least reveal) controlled aggression and fortitude. One of those things is sumo wrestling. We also use it as a way for guys to settle any beef in a controlled manner. Yeah, the one drill we do...that I think MIGHT have an impact on toughness is the board drill. Two lineman. 3pt stance, at either tip of a half moon. On cadence, they both fire out, focus on technique...half-moon bag forces them to keep good feet. Maybe it isn't toughness, but I noticed an immediate improvement in our OLines effetiveness when doing this drill. That being said, it's not a popular drill.
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Post by wingt74 on Mar 1, 2010 14:51:37 GMT -6
IMO, if you aren't doing a drill like this with your lineman...or even your entire team, your missing out.
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Post by tango on Mar 1, 2010 14:51:43 GMT -6
Sand pit, pull tires, slosh pipes, medicine ball circuit, jump bands, and running drills help you determine who will give effort. I'm not sure you can make them tough but you will know who will be their in the forth quarter. Peer pressure from your leaders help get it out of them.
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Post by blb on Mar 1, 2010 18:19:38 GMT -6
I like nessie's circle-kick idea.
But - how does that give them tough nees?
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Post by parkway on Mar 1, 2010 18:39:15 GMT -6
I think we all have a different definition of toughness which might cause some discrepancies. To wit, a kid might play with pain like no other, but not be an explosive tackler/blocker. Some might say the kid is tough, others might think not. I think you should stay away from saying toughness is a goal because it is hard to quantify. Try to think of some characteristics that are measureable and observable and make them goals for your team. You can say that you want to run to the ball on defense and finish blocks on offense. You can measure/observe both of those goals. Now, go coach the heck out of them. Make a big deal about them on film when they occur and have a negative consequence when they don't. I think playing with pain is tricky. I don't know if you can tell a kid this day in age that they are not injured.
I think the board drill posted above is great to set a tone and a mindset for your team. Once again, set an expectation, and demand it at all times. Just make sure the expectation is something you can measure so that the kids can see themselves progressing.
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Post by 1/11th on Mar 1, 2010 19:37:00 GMT -6
Thank you to all for your input.....and yes I realized that I typed toughnees.....again thank you
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Post by julien on Mar 2, 2010 0:45:34 GMT -6
I do not think toughness could be taught.
That said technique can be taught.
And when a player his technically sound, he's confident, strong, tough and even nasty.
Just my 2€cents!
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Post by briangilbert on Mar 2, 2010 5:26:46 GMT -6
Create a culture that fostures it. The whole drill idea is fluff imo. It lasts for a moment nothing more.
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Post by falconattack on Mar 2, 2010 10:50:00 GMT -6
I agree 100% with julien. Technique fosters confidence, confidence fosters toughness.
A definition of "tough" will vary from person to person. However, it is easy to pick a kid out of a group and say, "wow, he is tough".
IMO "tough" kids are the ones who understand their role, utilize great technique, and perform it repeatedly. Lack of technique causes kids to experiment with "other" ways to do something. When that fails, they back off and have little confidence.
That being said....toughness drills can be created. Just a few of the ones I have used over the years, tug of war, sumo wrestling, No holds basketball (described earlier), king of the board, tractor tire flip, and several more. I made each of them a competition but the main purpose was to create an understanding that leverage is critical and the low man usually wins. At some point in practice, I would reference one of our competitions and talk about how leverage and body height is critical to success. I try to tie the two together. Most of the time, kids get it. (not to mention, it is a lot of fun)
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Post by Coach Huey on Mar 2, 2010 10:58:25 GMT -6
there are so many types of "tough"...
1) he can kick anyone's ass 2) he can withstand a ton of physical stress - can take an asskicking and keep on ticking 3) he is not mentally frustrated very easily - keeps his focus on his job 4) he has football savvy and continues to find ways to complete his assignment, get the job done
which one do you want? heck, i've coached lots of "tough" kids (tough #1) that couldn't be called "tough" (# 3 or #4)... so in 4th quarter or if playing an equally "tough" opponent they were worthless to the team.
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Post by blb on Mar 2, 2010 11:05:02 GMT -6
Degrees of "tough":
1. Tougher than a bull elephant
2. Tougher than a bull
3. Shoots the bull
4. Smells like a bull
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Post by falconattack on Mar 2, 2010 11:09:31 GMT -6
blb, I am glad you posted that!!! The past two years at a new school, I have smelled a lot of bull, but haven't seen one hoof print on the field. Now I understand!!!
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Post by CoachShig on Mar 3, 2010 10:35:09 GMT -6
Mat Drills, get'em in the wrestling room! Like someone said earlier about the basketball game, you will figure out real quick the kids that want it and those that don't. Even if they don't get "tougher", you can atleast get an idea of who you will be able to depend on.
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 3, 2010 10:59:16 GMT -6
Definitely. Any wrestler has a spot on my team, somewhere, with a great chance at seeing field time. Love those squirrelly buggers.
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Post by coachood on Mar 27, 2010 17:56:37 GMT -6
Wrestling is great I do have 1 decent drill to improve toughness and aggression I do it mostly early in the summer. upcoming kids get more reps but everyone does it until I'm satisfied they can and will hit with everything they got. The drill is called Hold the Rope you take a 3-4 ft length of rope( thick rope to avoid cutting into hands) a player on each end grabs the rope with both hands, on the whistle they try to get the other player to let go of the rope. The only rule is that they can't kick. they are allowed to hit with shoulders and head sling the rope to throw their opponent down and drag them it gives some pretty good results
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