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Post by brophy on Feb 20, 2010 22:09:30 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 20, 2010 22:34:56 GMT -6
www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/education/18educ.html?hp“That’s a central problem we’re trying to address, the enormous failure rate of these kids when they go to the open admission colleges,” said Marc S. Tucker, president of the center, a Washington-based nonprofit. Really....I mean really???  Another "program" developed to skirt the actual reality. To answer your question, I am betting they will be allowed to play for the school they left in 10th or 11th grade. Doesn't seem like a terribly hard solution...but it obviously will have some snags. |
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 20, 2010 23:06:08 GMT -6
I dunno, I kinda like the idea for education options.
The big issue that came to me immediately was that it could seriously, seriously f*** up recruiting for basketball and somewhat throw a kink in the works for football. I'd be interested to see what effects, if any, there'd be on JC/CC sports.
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Post by playsmart on Feb 20, 2010 23:10:50 GMT -6
I don't know about the college community schools around your area... Ours are worst then than actual high schools in the area. I got my HS to pay for me to take a couple of classes at a local community College and I showed up for the first two weeks and notice all the information was a review of what I have already learned. In my option, community colleges are a joke and should not be use to actually to get any kind of degree.
As for playing football and attending a community college, the student shouldn't be able to play HS football and should play JUCO.
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Post by phantom on Feb 20, 2010 23:13:49 GMT -6
I dunno, I kinda like the idea for education options. The big issue that came to me immediately was that it could seriously, seriously f*** up recruiting for basketball and somewhat throw a kink in the works for football. I'd be interested to see what effects, if any, there'd be on JC/CC sports. Not much here in the East where very few JCs have sports.. |
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Post by superpower on Feb 21, 2010 15:29:36 GMT -6
In a state that is facing huge budget deficits that are forcing major cuts across the board, I could see schools opting for a program like this if there is a JUCO close enough. School districts are going to be forced to make lots of budget cuts, so letting a large number of students graduate early would lessen the effect of the cuts. However, I think a large number of our kids would stay in high school just to play sports.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 21, 2010 16:19:34 GMT -6
As for playing football and attending a community college, the student shouldn't be able to play HS football and should play JUCO. Why should a student who has demonstrated proficiency/mastery of the approved standard H.S. curriculum be penalized athletically??? |
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Post by brophy on Feb 21, 2010 16:55:43 GMT -6
If he graduates early, he hasn't used up eligibility.
So I would imagine, he would be 'out' of HS, but taking JC courses (technically) 'through' the HS.
If so, I would have to imagine that this would make those kids even MORE attractive to NCAA schools. The only thing would be...getting an 19 year old junior...that'd be tough for most larger schools, unless the kid plans on going for his Masters.
If it is simply get rid of the kid and out of the HS system (pay for JC courses at JC prices), then yeah, I could see how everyone loses but the schoold district.
In the end, what's important is kids getting an education and moving towards higher learning...this is a step in the right direction
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Post by 19delta on Feb 21, 2010 19:19:45 GMT -6
I don't know about you guys, but the kids at my school who are smart enough to graduate high school after 2 years aren't exactly hanging out in the weight room...  |
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Post by coachguy83 on Feb 21, 2010 19:49:33 GMT -6
I like the idea of allowing students to graduate from high school two years early and enroll in a junior college, because there are students who are smart enough to move on to college early and are bored by high school classes. I know that high school was a complete waste of time for me until I got to my senior year and was allowed to take AP and duel enrollment classes. The obvious thing to do is allow the players to continue to play sports for their high school, but the biggest problem I see is with elgibility. In Illinois elgibility is figured weekly and a student has to be passing 20 hours of class work to be elgible to play. How would that work if a student is only taking 15 credit hours of college level classes, and would professors be expected to do the extra paperwork regarding elgibility.
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Post by phantom on Feb 21, 2010 20:25:07 GMT -6
Let me see if I understand the scenario:
This program is not for students who aspire to selective colleges since those students will need higher level courses to get accepted into college. Is that correct?
So, if you want then you can take a battery of tests on info that comes from classes that you haven't taken. If you pass you graduate early. Do I have it so far? And, again, that's excluding the top academic kids who will probably opt to stay in school to allow them to gain acceptance into selective colleges?
These kids, who can pass tests on English and history and math without taking the class- are there really hundreds of thousands (or millions) of them around the country?
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Post by brophy on Feb 21, 2010 21:59:41 GMT -6
According to the article, the program would turn the credit hour system on its head (good). When the student passes proficiency in subject matter they essentially CLEP into satisfying HS diploma criteria.
This style of system would also seem to force current classroom curriculum to adapt to meeting this testing standard (almost like teaching for the ACT).
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Post by poweriguy on Feb 22, 2010 21:02:02 GMT -6
Just reading some of the reactions, it seems like this is a new concept to some of you. When I was in high school (87-91) we had the option of taking a "high school equivalency" test once you reached the age of 16. If you passed it, you were issued a high school diploma. So you were able to enroll in a JC or join the work force. Most of the kids who passed it back then, started working.
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 23, 2010 7:43:30 GMT -6
This is coming to your high school sooner than later. Even if there are no CC/JC in your area, there is the internet. Don't yall already have NovaNet in your school??
Our DO made the proactive step several years ago to offer English 101 through a local college and the kid can earn duel credit IE: high school Carnegie Unit and college credit hours. A couple of the classes meet in our building.
Currently there are 17 courses offered and I expect them to continue grow.
These classes are weighted like AP level classes, so for as college admissions to competitive universities; these classes will help a kid get into that school.
The next county over has a Technical College that founded a charter school within the building. These kids attend the Tech School and if they complete the program, they not only finish with a high diploma, they have their 2 year degree as well. This 'high school' is the 16th one in the county and the county has several 'magnet schools'. The charter school offers most sports except football. The runs an enrollment of about 500 kids.
Our county has 7 school districts with 9 high schools. While the districts for the most part operate autonmously from each other, they all offer a 'scholars' academy for the gifted kids. These kids have to apply and be accepted. The program is basically like the charter school above, but they come to their respective schools, take a bus to a local college, attend classes until through 3rd block and then take their electives back at thier respective high schools.
Point is, this is coming, if not already here for some of us. If the issue is a concern to you and how it will affect athletics, then you need to be involved with your state coaching/athletic asssociation and have a plan in place.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 23, 2010 9:34:28 GMT -6
I'll be honest, what coachwoodall described would sound pretty cool to me, if I were still a student.
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Post by coachguy83 on Feb 24, 2010 0:22:09 GMT -6
The face of education is changing, no since in fighting it. While all us athletic oriented cats were at Bdubs killin chickens and keeping Budweiser in business, the nerdy cats went to school and are now in decision making positions. What about the rare breed that goes to bdubs to kill chickens, support the local brewer and do homework? ;D |
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Post by DLine06 on Feb 24, 2010 5:23:23 GMT -6
I'll be honest, what coachwoodall described would sound pretty cool to me, if I were still a student. Same here. I sort of wished I had these classes when I was in high school. Ironically for the high school I attended, the athletics program featured some of our best and brightest in the top 10%, top 10 and even in 04 the valedictorian was at left tackle and his younger brother graduated with me at #3. |
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Post by airman on Feb 24, 2010 21:03:01 GMT -6
I think the question here is do we really need to have kids going to high school until they are 18. currently kids are not seen as grown up until they are 25 now. getting them out of high school at 16 would grow them up faster.
we have to realize there might come a day when high school sports do not exist. heck, there might be a day when teachers are replaced with virtual reality teachers and kids just log on to the schools website to take their classes and they can stay at home.
some of you will laugh but the movie stars are going to be dying breed. the movie avatar is a prime example how they will be replace and computer generated voices and graphics will replace them.
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