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Post by airraider on Feb 16, 2010 8:00:19 GMT -6
My wife just took over the danceline at her school. She is making all of the girls re-try out for their spots... this has some people up in arms.. especially the ones who might not make it that have already paid a good bit of money for uniforms and such.
She also has 2 girls who are injured, who may end up missing the tryouts.. and thus not making the team..
I told her over and over again that she will be opening a legal box that she does not want..
But then got to thinking about football.. what if the same thing happened if a new coach came in?
Don't we owe those kids a chance at least? Its not their fault that they are injured at the moment of tryouts.
Do you allow them to wait until they are healed to try out?
What if there are limited spots and the injured student's possible membership causes someone else to not make the cut?
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Post by blb on Feb 16, 2010 8:05:22 GMT -6
We don't have "tryouts" or "cuts".
If a kid is academically eligible, abides by training rules, passes physical, and can protect him or herself, he-she can participate in our football program.
From what you describe, your wife is unnecessarily opening a can of worms.
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Post by airraider on Feb 16, 2010 8:10:24 GMT -6
We don't have "tryouts" or "cuts". If a kid is academically eligible, abides by training rules, passes physical, and can protect him or herself, he-she can participate in our football program. From what you describe, your wife is unnecessarily opening a can of worms. My thoughts exactly.. I have never been apart of a team that needed cuts.. there are some programs in our state with over 200 kids in their high school program.. they might need to make cuts.. but if a kid is injured.. this would tie your hands a bit.. I would figure.. |
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Post by superpower on Feb 16, 2010 8:30:59 GMT -6
tryouts = TROUBLE
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Post by k on Feb 16, 2010 11:35:34 GMT -6
If tryouts are bad news what do you do if you have X sets of equipment /jerseys.
It wouldn't be crazy for us to have 2x the amount of players this year as last year (while going from AAAA to A) and having to buy EVERYTHING this year in an obviously bad budget year?
The subject of cuts hasn't come up yet but I have a feeling it is going to.
I'm not looking forward to it at all..
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Post by wolfden12 on Feb 16, 2010 11:41:58 GMT -6
I think it depends on your district, how things have been done in the past, and who the girls injured are (upperclassmen, underclassmen)?
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Post by blb on Feb 16, 2010 11:51:14 GMT -6
If tryouts are bad news what do you do if you have X sets of equipment /jerseys. It wouldn't be crazy for us to have 2x the amount of players this year as last year (while going from AAAA to A) and having to buy EVERYTHING this year in an obviously bad budget year? The subject of cuts hasn't come up yet but I have a feeling it is going to. I'm not looking forward to it at all.. Sounds like that'll be your administration's call - either they buy the equipment (if they value participation, extra-curriculars) or they tell parents why you're having to cut kids. Last fall we had 147 kids come out, about 25-30 more than usual. School had to pony up extra $3500 for equipment in spite of having cut a paid coaching position and instituting $50 "athletic registration (pay to play)" fee. |
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Post by fatkicker on Feb 16, 2010 12:36:31 GMT -6
tyrouts are trouble....but baseball coaches and basketball coaches have been doing it since the beginning of time.....
back in my baseball coaching days we had to have a set standard for every kid..... we used a 1-5 scale on different baseball skills.....along with pitch speed and 40 time......and we kept up with the records if ever called out.....luckily, we never were......
if the dance squad is for the next football season, she could wait until the end of the year to allow for injuries to heal.....
she could make everyone try out....even the returners.....and keep the returners anyway.....as long as the paperwork matches up.....who's gonna know.....
she could have more than one coach come out and help during tryouts.....cheerleader sponsor or whoever.....it would definitely be hard to argue if two sets of papers said basically the same thing....
with limited spots and budget cuts we'll all probably be dealing with tryouts soon enough...... it's gonna be hard to justify having 90 kids on the football team when the school can't afford to paint the bathrooms.......even if the money comes from different pockets.....
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Post by realdawg on Feb 16, 2010 13:02:41 GMT -6
Dont know about all this others stuff, but football is a privelege not a right
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Post by airman on Feb 16, 2010 14:02:47 GMT -6
I think being on the football team is like a fundamental right almost like the constitution.  I am sure there will be a day when the government makes sure of this. |
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Post by coachguy83 on Feb 16, 2010 14:14:12 GMT -6
Playing football or any other extraciricular is a privilege, but in most cases it is one offered to so many people that it appears to be a right. However at any time for a great number of reasons that privilege can be revoked. I believe your wife is in a tough situation airraider and in the case of all tough calls she needs to do what she feels is right, and hopefully the administration backs her. I think the problem she is going to run into is that most people don't see a dance team as being a competitive activity, they are the girls that entertain them at half time of ballgames, however she sees it much differently and so do at least some of the girls.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 17, 2010 8:40:44 GMT -6
We don't have "tryouts" or "cuts". If a kid is academically eligible, abides by training rules, passes physical, and can protect him or herself, he-she can participate in our football program. From what you describe, your wife is unnecessarily opening a can of worms. My thoughts exactly.. I have never been apart of a team that needed cuts.. there are some programs in our state with over 200 kids in their high school program.. they might need to make cuts.. but if a kid is injured.. this would tie your hands a bit.. I would figure.. I coach in a program that runs with those kinds of numbers and we make it work. It's tough at the freshman level where you have 60+ kids out for football, but our freshman staff does a great job of coaching the kids and getting everyone playing time. Back to the original question, I believe that one of the great things about football is the fact that we don't do cuts. It opens up the door to a great sport for all kids; everyone gets to be a part of the team and play the game. I will never coach a sport that does cuts; it's just too much for me to handle.. I have a friend that coaches girl's basketball and he ran into a sh-t storm one season with the cuts. Mom and dad were furious that their daughter had been cut, given that she was a middle school all star. But, she wasn't good enough to even make the first round of cuts when it all came down to it. He was smart enough to film practices; mom and dad backed down after watching their daughter fumble their way through the day. |
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Post by schenk11 on Feb 17, 2010 14:08:05 GMT -6
Without a doubt, football is a privileged. That being said I do not feel there should be cuts. I do think that expectations and certain standards need to be met to be able to participate though. Just attending a school is not enough. There are off season work outs, summer camp, film study, grades, etc. A coach should remove someone from the team that does meet minimum standards.
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Post by coachdag on Feb 17, 2010 14:15:08 GMT -6
Without a doubt, football is a privileged. That being said I do not feel there should be cuts. I do think that expectations and certain standards need to be met to be able to participate though. Just attending a school is not enough. There are off season work outs, summer camp, film study, grades, etc. A coach should remove someone from the team that does meet minimum standards. This is what we do. We won't cut someone from a program just because of injury or make them tryout again (no matter how much we may want to with certain kids). That being said, even if they are injured and can not participate in practice we still expect them to take part in team meetings and be at practice, even if it's just a matter of them standing on the side lines, or they watch and listen to what we are teaching that day. I can see both sides, especially with a new coach coming in and want to do things a certain way, but as others have said, it can backfire and open up a huge can of worms. |
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Post by coachcb on Feb 19, 2010 9:12:23 GMT -6
Without a doubt, football is a privileged. That being said I do not feel there should be cuts. I do think that expectations and certain standards need to be met to be able to participate though. Just attending a school is not enough. There are off season work outs, summer camp, film study, grades, etc. A coach should remove someone from the team that does meet minimum standards. I don't think being involved in the sport is a privilege, but playing time most certainly is. Around here, you can't make all of that stuff mandatory and as such, you can't 'cut' kids from the team. But, if they're not participating in all aspects of the program, then don't play them. With that being said, I think this whole thing gets back to one simple fact; you need to emphasize effort over ability. The kids that work hard during the season and in the off-season should be rewarded with playing time. Those that don't need to ride the bench and it doesn't matter whether you're talking about freshman football or varsity. The programs I have been around and coached within that had issues were those that played kids who had a lot of athletic ability, but were lazy and had bad attitudes. It just sets a bad precedence for the program. I one program, there was a QB who was the 'heir apparent' to the starting position; athletic kid with a strong arm. The problem was, he was lazy and had a terrible attitude; the team struggled with him at QB. It all came to a crescendo when, the night before a game that could make or break their playoff hopes, this kid went out drinking with his buddies. He was hung-over for the game, played like crap and they lost. What was worse was the fact that his back-up was a great kid and a hard worker; he was faster than the starter, but his arm wasn't strong. They did manage to make the playoffs and the backup played very well; he gave teams fits because he was so quick. He threw the ball well enough to be effective and he was very hard to contain. So, again, the initial starter felt that football was his 'right' and as such, never worked hard and had a negative impact. His back-up saw football as a 'privilege', worked hard, maintained a good attitude and had a positive impact on the team. Had the program stressed effort over ability, they would've had a much better season. |
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