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Post by airraider on Jan 29, 2010 7:33:56 GMT -6
What relation does a kid being able to complete Freshmen Algebra have with being able to play in the NFL?
If.. the NFL had a farm type system for all those high school kids who never qualified.. what would the league be like?
I am sure there are 100's upon 100's of kids over the years who read on a 3rd grade level but stood 6'6 and weighed 320lbs and was allowed to pass right on through college..
But what about those kids who were athletic freaks, but academic duds at schools who didnt bend the rules?
I'm sure there are kids out there with skills better then most NFL'ers who never got a shot because of their 1.5 GPA.
I know there is no real chance that the average great high schooler can jump straight into the NFL and be good.. let alone remain injury free.. such as they do in the NBA..
but a farm type league would allow those kids to go on and play on a smaller level until their bodies and minds have been able to mature.
Its not right to just pass that 6'6 320lb kid just because he runs a 4.8 forty and bench presses well over 500lbs.. but since he cannot do simple algebra.. he shouldn't have to give up on a professional career at a sport..
I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this..
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 29, 2010 7:47:28 GMT -6
it's called jr college
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Post by airraider on Jan 29, 2010 7:49:13 GMT -6
Yea.. but even some of those JC's have expressed some requirements for entry.. Top half of class.. 2.0 GPA.. whatever whatever.. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 29, 2010 9:21:02 GMT -6
raider... the key word is some..the point being if a kid REALLY wants to play fb and has got at least a GED.....there is a place for him..JC...community college....prep school... especially if he can pay full fare
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Post by airraider on Jan 29, 2010 9:30:20 GMT -6
raider... the key word is some..the point being if a kid REALLY wants to play fb and has got at least a GED.....there is a place for him..JC...community college....prep school... especially if he can pay full fare but lets be honest.. how many of these .0009 GPA kids can pay full fare? most .00009 kids come from .00009 parents.. and most .00009 parents are not making the money to send their kids to college.. even if its just a JUCO. |
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Post by casec11 on Jan 29, 2010 10:05:26 GMT -6
I think that Semipro could be an avenue for that, but I fave never heard of someone making it from that.
I see what you are saying Air, you could have a 16 HS drop out, the kid who messed up bad and when to jail for a year or two ect...
Many atheletes who can play never get past there shopmore year of HS, Graduating because of poor choices, bad grades, whatever.
The question is what kind of element do they bring to this "developmental league" and how do you disipline? You could be playing with fire
But it could be that second chance one young man may need
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Post by airraider on Jan 29, 2010 10:21:38 GMT -6
I guess my original question should have stated something like..
Is it fair that you can only be in the NFL if you are at least perceived as a good student?
Sure there is always that 1 in a 10000000000 chance to get a shot without ever attending a college.. but that is not even worth the bother for this discussion.
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Post by phantom on Jan 29, 2010 10:27:31 GMT -6
I guess my original question should have stated something like.. Is it fair that you can only be in the NFL if you are at least perceived as a good student? Sure there is always that 1 in a 10000000000 chance to get a shot without ever attending a college.. but that is not even worth the bother for this discussion. What does fair have to do with anything? In a perfect world a developmental league for good football players who aren't good students would be great. It would certainly cut down on a lot of cheating and hypocricy. Who would pay for it, though? |
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Post by airraider on Jan 29, 2010 10:37:45 GMT -6
I guess my original question should have stated something like.. Is it fair that you can only be in the NFL if you are at least perceived as a good student? Sure there is always that 1 in a 10000000000 chance to get a shot without ever attending a college.. but that is not even worth the bother for this discussion. What does fair have to do with anything? In a perfect world a developmental league for good football players who aren't good students would be great. It would certainly cut down on a lot of cheating and hypocricy. Who would pay for it, though? not sure.. but the two should not correlate... |
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Post by blb on Jan 29, 2010 10:44:02 GMT -6
This is America - if there was somebody who thought he/they could make money off it, it would happen.
Otherwise, not.
Fairness has very little to do with the Big Boy world unfortunately.
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Post by 2leegit on Jan 29, 2010 11:34:03 GMT -6
Eric Swann who played for the Cardinals was the only semi-pro player that I know who made it to the NFL. He made the Pro Bowl a couple of times.
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Post by amikell on Jan 29, 2010 12:26:13 GMT -6
Can a bohemouth who can't spell his name but can run a 4.2 40 really expect to see a lot of succes in the NFL?
I would argue that if your not intelligent enough or have enough of a work ethic to make 2.0 in HS and college or at least get your GED and go to JuCo, then you don't stand much chance at success in the NFL.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 29, 2010 20:53:34 GMT -6
Eric Swann who played for the Cardinals was the only semi-pro player that I know who made it to the NFL. He made the Pro Bowl a couple of times. John Unitas was another. I think Terry Bradshaw played part of a season in the minors, or maybe just threatened to. Not counting the strikebreakers, where it happened en masse, occasionally a minor leaguer gets a shot, as when Bill Demory QBd the Jets until the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd stringers healed. A few pro teams did have farm arrangements with some minor league clubs in the late 1960s until the major leagues banned the practice. As to the algebra question, you could just as well ask what use it is to the vast majority of people. And I'm saying that as a math tutor! |
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 30, 2010 8:41:34 GMT -6
If youre talking about the physical freaks that are too busy pimping and pushing to do their school work, yeah, air theres probably a few of them that could be in the nfl, nba or other. Real athletes have heart and brains too, takes some discipline to play in the nfl nowadays. (and more to actually last there given the temptations).
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 30, 2010 10:34:59 GMT -6
If youre talking about the physical freaks that are too busy pimping and pushing to do their school work, yeah, air theres probably a few of them that could be in the nfl, nba or other. Real athletes have heart and brains too, takes some discipline to play in the nfl nowadays. (and more to actually last there given the temptations). Airraider mentioned that he's talking about "Academic duds that don't bend the rules." I don't think he's talking about the guys who end up getting sent to jail after leaving high school. Juco FB programs left our state (Washington) back in the late 80's or so. The last Juco program shut down sometime in the early 90's. We do have that dilemma and it's too bad because most parents aren't willing to send their 1.5 GPA kid to Northern Cali just to attend some classes and play FB. Lots of the kids that AirRaider is eluding to could end up being late academic bloomers and it's too bad that there aren't more opportunities for them to continue to play. We have some semi-pro teams in our area and just recently there has been a resurrection of JC teams (club status) at 6 or 7 or our state's junior colleges - They are clearly not affiliated with the JC's but the coaches are making their players follow the same policies (classes, grades,etc.) that they would follow IF they were part of the system. Obviously, their hope is to get the Juco FB situation back on track in our state - WHAT A GREAT USE OF EFFORT!!! We did have a local Semi-Pro program work as a springboard for a local talent. Kid went to a local H.S. had no grades - No JC's to attend - He turns out for a Semi and turns heads. Next thing you know he's running the ball for a local D3 school. He ends up playing for the Wash Redskins (Mike Oliphant). So, it can happen but it's rare. |
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Post by stylee on Jan 30, 2010 13:03:27 GMT -6
To add on to what others have said, Michael "The Beer Man" Lewis was playing for some minor league teams around Baton Rouge before he made it into the Arena League.
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Post by coachmroth on Jan 30, 2010 13:07:38 GMT -6
mike sellars.....never went to college....played canadian ball at 19....now is a pro bowl fb.
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 30, 2010 19:30:23 GMT -6
mike sellars.....never went to college....played canadian ball at 19....now is a pro bowl fb. Actually, Mike Sellers played at Walla walla C.C. in Washington. But he didn't do things the conventional way, that's for sure. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 31, 2010 16:27:37 GMT -6
mike sellars.....never went to college....played canadian ball at 19....now is a pro bowl fb. That reminds me...a few years ago I read of a junior club team in Saskatchewan that became the college's varsity football team. The college had been without one for some years, and then most of the players enrolled in that college (an engrg. school IIRC), so the college took their team's name (Buffalos or Bison or some such) and made it varsity. Unfortunately that meant anyone who didn't enroll there became ineligible. |
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