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Post by WB22 on Jan 28, 2010 8:07:59 GMT -6
There's a small private school in the area wanting to start a football program. I believe I have a great chance of getting the head coaching position there. The administration is considering 3 possibilities. 1)Starting with only a middle school program and then a high school program later as those middle school classes move to high school. 2)Starting with a JV team, playing varsity after a year or so. 3)Jumping in with both feet - a varsity program from the get-go. Their concern with this is the possibility of acquiring all the equipment, facilities, etc. - then not having enough kids to field a team that 1st year.
*Money isn't a huge concern. They have good supporters - including one very wealthy man who will likely foot the entire bill to start the program. I'm looking for any advice or insights on this situation. Thanks.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 28, 2010 8:44:05 GMT -6
My Dad started a program at a small rural school in 1971 and he used method #2. I think that is the best method in most cases.
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Post by cnunley on Jan 28, 2010 9:00:39 GMT -6
Never been in that situation but I would go with Option 2, or maybe even option 1.
I believe if you went with Number 3 it would backfire on you. I could see an 0-10 season for a year or two perhaps which would almost kill it before it got started.
Let some young kids get experience against other young kids, build some confidence in them, get them in the weight room, then get Varsity started in your third season
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Post by cls on Jan 28, 2010 9:27:31 GMT -6
I would go option one. Patience. You could build thorugh both participation and scheme, meaning that you would be able to play a lot of kids without sacrificing their safety and still install your scheme.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jan 28, 2010 10:34:31 GMT -6
Starting a small private school program successfully is dependent on several factors: -The number of small schools that you are going to play that are similar in size and athletic ability? -The size of your school -The number of athletes and athletic success of your school -The ablility to recruit athletes to your school to play (I know that the word "recruit" is a bad word-you could use the word "draw" if you want-but it's ends up the same) -If you are going to have to play public school programs that you cannot compete with? -Where are you going to play? You gotta' have a field or rent one -Are you an independent school or a church-supported school? -Is the school financially strong? These days private schools are taking a beating.
What you start really takes into account these questions.
We are a small, non church-connected private Christian school. We raised the money privately for field and equipment. We started our first year playing whomever we could schedule. We actually won a game, went 1-9, but as most schools in our position-we lost big because we were playing much much larger schools. Everybody wants to schedule a first year program.
However, since the time we started our program a large number of schools have started programs and we have our own conference if like-size and like-ablility schools. If we would have waited a couple of years we would have had an easier time.
So, who you are having to play makes a big difference. Those 65-0 and 48-0 scores really take a lot out of you.
OJW
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Post by coachguy83 on Jan 28, 2010 11:26:31 GMT -6
I think option number two is the best of the three. If you start with a middle school progragram only you are going to have all the high school kids looking down and asking why they aren't getting a chance to play and the 8th graders are out having a ball. You can play JV games for a couple of years while you solve some of the issues that OJW raised, teach the kids to play the game, build up your program, and then launch varsity ball once you have a chance to be in all your games.
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Post by coachwills on Jan 28, 2010 12:59:34 GMT -6
I just like the wealthy supporter idea. HO do you start one of those?
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 28, 2010 20:30:58 GMT -6
Option 2 is the most reasonable. With that said I don't know the variables that have been brought up by the outlaw.
I've been able to be involved with two brand new HS programs. Both were public school settings. PM me if you have specific questions.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jan 29, 2010 0:28:09 GMT -6
I agree that the s.o.p. of public school is the JV route. The reason for that is most public schools start football programs when they build a new school. Here in Florida they stock that school with underclassmen, they don't even allow Sr.'s to transfer to it and limited Jrs. Sometimes they allow only 9-10 to transfer to that new school. They don't make them play varsity ball at that age.
I have no experience with a public school starting a football program from stratch after the school was long established.
Private schools, particularly small private schools have a history of starting football programs many years later. My current school started football 22 years after the school was started. Small private schools in Florida had a rash of new football programs in the mid-2000's, it's slowed down now since the bad economic times.
OJW
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Post by coachinghopeful on Jan 29, 2010 1:02:45 GMT -6
I would actually be a bit leery of a single wealthy booster paying for everything. The guy might get the impression that he "owns" the team and become the most meddlesome nightmare you could imagine. If the guy's throwing that kind of coin around, it would be hard for admin not to do whatever he wants and insist you do the same.
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Post by dsqa on Jan 29, 2010 7:57:29 GMT -6
Having started two private school programs from scratch there are a couple of things to consider:
The concern over interest in playing the game is valid. If you suggest you are only going to play a JV team, you will struggle to get enough kids, especially some athletes that you will need to compete year one. You really need to start a varsity program to give you a full spread of access to kids and then schedule public school JV teams if you can't find weaker programs like yours in your area.
There are good athletes who will not play if the opportunity isn't competitive in their minds.
You will spend the first three season building football players anyway, so while OJW is right the schedule has some value as to how "low can you go," in the teams you schedule, you will be amazed at the time you have spend just getting the kids up to speed on the game - getting them dressed to practice was a challenge for me.
Your coaching emphasis will change dramatically for the first few years as well. We spent a great deal of time in drills, team time, and counseling - LOL. We had to play both ways, and I had 2 volunteer assistants that showed up 2 days/week. Just be prepared to ratchet back how much you expect to get done - especially from yourself.
One important recommendation. Keep your investments low where you can up front. If you don't have facilities currently, just use whatever field they may have for practice and workout a rental of a local high school on days they are away. You don't need a field. I coached 6 years without a home stadium, and it was fine - manage the money, mange the expectations. The more they put in up front, the more heartburn they will have with slow progress. Better to underpromise and overdeliver if you can
Just a few thoughts to think about...
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Post by WB22 on Jan 29, 2010 10:22:24 GMT -6
"The concern over interest in playing the game is valid." Does anyone have any advice on getting kids to play - kids that may not have played at all or haven't played since youth league ?
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Post by stoner77 on Jan 29, 2010 11:18:50 GMT -6
We used option 2 when starting a private catholic school in Florida. Numbers started out at 77 and have built to around 470. Played 2 year JV schedule and now have finished our 5th varsity season. 1-6 our first season and then 5-3 our 2nd season. Going in our 8th season overall its still abuilding process....
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Post by chuge325 on Jan 30, 2010 14:45:24 GMT -6
rookie,
We started 4 years ago in a small Christian school with no winning tradition in any sports in the 5 years the school had been alive. And are now starting to see the fruits as we build well into next year. We did lots wrong and some things well. If you would like send me a PM and we can swap phone numbers. The conversation is way too long for an old man like me to type.
I will offer this - make the program about something other than wins and losses. Example - from the beginning our mission is to plant the seeds of Christian manhood into the boys that we have. The influence of Godly men, teaching life through something that is difficult (football) is a greater calling for us than a region title. In framing our program that way, we have success in the influence and effort right away. And then as the program grows the kids, their parents, and us, as coaches, have begun to earn the wins on the field. ANd the region title is just around the corner!
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