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Post by khalfie on Jan 21, 2010 21:32:59 GMT -6
Ok...
I've been charged with creating an off-season pts program to generate athlete participation...
You know, the usual... pts for being in the weightroom, pts for getting good grades, pts for community service? What ya got?
What are your prizes?
I was thinking about putting the kids into 12 teams of 7, and have the winning team, in points that is, compete against the coaches in basketball, bowling, miniature golf, and laser tag, on the coaches dime of course.
We were going to go further, and have the monthly winners be able to eat with coaches...
What I need is a legitimate point system for the next 7 months...
Anyone making this happen currently?
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Post by coachplaa on Jan 21, 2010 21:49:26 GMT -6
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Post by khalfie on Jan 21, 2010 21:57:34 GMT -6
Pretty outstanding coach...
What's an "O" citizenship?
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Post by khalfie on Jan 21, 2010 22:01:30 GMT -6
And another thing...
We are really lacking senior leadership... well, any leadership... how did you go about choosing your captains for your draft...
That's if you did a draft?
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Post by coachplaa on Jan 22, 2010 7:46:21 GMT -6
At our school, teachers give a grade, and also give a Citizenship grade, so they can get an O-Outstanding, S-Satisfactory, or U- Unsat. 2 U's and they are ineligible. So we shoot for O's, and that way we are preaching always doing the right thing....no jerks.
We have tried the off-season captain approach but it hasn't worked to well for us mainly because of the organization part of it. I really like the idea of teams, etc., but the only problem with letting the kids draft; is even though its fun to draft, it encourages cliques without realizing it. Seniors pick kids they like, they know, etc. At the end Seniors get kids they've never met, and every one of them has 1-2 guys they are clueless about. So I think that the team part is a good idea, but we have considered doing it more by position group this year, to create some unit pride.
By the way, for 2010, we are not starting our Pride Points until mid-May. We are requiring ALL football players to do a Spring Sport and they will get 100 pride points. If they don't otherwise do a spring sport, we are putting them in Track where even if they don't compete for the team, they will do our Trackball workout (an idea from this board). No negative feedback yet from the kids. Again, I believe they like the accountability and focus on getting them better. And it weeds out the lazy kids quickly.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 22, 2010 7:53:06 GMT -6
Coach what is the certification clinic? "approved by senior committee" nice touch |
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Post by tim914790 on Jan 22, 2010 8:02:59 GMT -6
What is the Trackball workout?
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Post by sport2083 on Jan 22, 2010 10:27:28 GMT -6
I like the ideas you guys have for off-season training we are actually doing something very similar at the school I am at. We have the players coming in at 6am and three teams lift and the other three teams run and it has been working out really well. I was looking for ideas on how to make some team competition so we can have kind of a fun day here and there. Any suggestions? Our teams are based on positions so many of our linemen are all together because of a lot of them lift about the same weight. I thought of relay races but then you come across teams being uneven. I would like to here some ideas if anyone does anything similar.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Jan 22, 2010 10:44:04 GMT -6
Great stuff coach.... What all does the champions club entail? Do you have a handout for that? |
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Post by fbcoach74 on Jan 22, 2010 13:11:20 GMT -6
Here is what we have done the past two seasons
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Post by khalfie on Jan 22, 2010 19:52:14 GMT -6
Love the lift acronym... between your guide and TD's, looks like I have everything I need.
I'm caught between the two alternatives of how to formulate the teams.
1. I want the pomp and pagentry of the draft, but we don't have any team leaders... those who are attempting to lead are leading in the wrong direction. I have no clue who we could choose to choose the teams.
I firmly believe the coaches should probably lead the draft, but it defeats the purpose. I think when kids can choose the teams, even if it is their buddies, they at least have a bond, an ability to communicate, which may create that peer pressure to get them in the weight room.
2. If we simply grouped the teams by position, that handles most of the problems, but I don't know if any of our kids have the influence to get other kids to do the right thing.
Character wise, we are at an all time low... and attendance wise, we aren't far behind.
I think the points system could get them excited, but without the leadership... I'm confused on how to set up the teams.
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Post by coachplaa on Jan 22, 2010 21:58:38 GMT -6
The BIGGEST shock comes when you hand out football gear. We give out football gear to the top pride pointers, regardless of what year school they are in. We give out jersey numbers the same way. Any rumor of extortion for a number means that kid is automatically locked out of that number for the season. The first season is the hardest, after that, kids know you mean business. The Champions Club is our reward club. It is Univ of Florida's idea. Reward the kids that deserve the recognition. Get the focus off the 10% of the kids that don't give you much, and makeup 90% of your stress. Focusing on the positives and the hard workers, makes the middle of the road kids work that much harder. So members of the Champions Club get lots of free stuff. Our handout from last year is here: www.tdfootball.com/files/Champions_Club3.pdf |
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 23, 2010 5:58:50 GMT -6
Id like to share my experiences with this also.
I followed a staff that had been around for years. Their ways were widely accepted by the kids and parents. I wasnt around so I dont know anything about their ways and make no apologies for not being them. Change is tough and when I brought in my pride points system I had near immediate buy in from the freshmen and sophs but a bit more trouble with a few of the upper classmen who resisted change and who felt entitled to choice of gear and things like that. I understand that they felt as if theyd already paid their dues and if I could do it over again i might "pro rate" points so to speak....(ie give credit for years of service)- Its a thought to you guys who are taking over new programs.
You do not want to alienate your uppper classmen. Some took to me quicker than others and I spent alot of time working on those fragile relationships. I think some kids sort of held out in hopes that the former staff would quickly change their minds about retiring and return to coach them and the point system would disappear. In any case, my point system is in place and it does work and it does provide some accountability and really is a great indicator of who is invested and who puts nothing into it at all. Whats amazing is that its really a great predictor of who your quitters will be. From what I can see there is a direct relationship between a refusal to invest and likelihood of bailing on the team either during a tough game or just quitting in general. The non earners are typically going to be those who get into discipline issues, academic issues and take on that "uncoachable" personna at times.
Ill say this too, parents who are equally entitled will be the first to gripe about the points. they have no leg to stand on as you have data showing exactly what their kid has done. You will need administrative support of course. CHAMPIONS TRAIN, LOSERS COMPLAIN.
Obviously the size of your school will impact how you can use your point system. We cannot simply say "you need x amount of points or you dont play" because we wouldnt have a team if we did that. what you can do however is say "you earn and I will find a way to play you". I absolutely believe in leadership by example and the pride points are the best example I can think of for proof of leadership and reliability. those "good" players who do not earn are NOT captain material. We now have kids competing for the PRIDE trophy and next year that trophy will be bigger and we will make even a bigger deal out of it.
In any case, its different and not everyone loves it but over time our kids have grown to accept it and some love it and have been following their points on the leader board. It has created competition in the wt room and even the classroom now. i send home letters and let everyone see the production. Recently some of our basketball and baseball players were saying that they wished their coaches did pride points and motivated kids to work out like that. - there are of course those athletes who know they will play so they dont sweat the points and they maybe arent as motivated by tee shirts and hats and stuff so they lift at the y (or not at all)- Ill say this, the point system and my emphasizing lifting has more kids lifting now than before but its nowhere near enough so I am not sure what to do next to get the buy in we need. we are a very small school with a declining enrollment and very few kids in each class playing football. the lower grade level will make up the bulk of our roster ....
I have one senior whos been steadily coming in to lift, the others are waiting until after basketball. Motivation from the points is better but its not magic around here. There *talk* but we are waiting for the action. Some of the kids who "held out" for whatever reason have come full circle and are now earning points and into our program.
again, its different so someone will complain. Stick to your guns, stay the course and like novacane- given time itll work.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 23, 2010 6:22:26 GMT -6
Love the lift acronym... between your guide and TD's, looks like I have everything I need. I'm caught between the two alternatives of how to formulate the teams. 1. I want the pomp and pagentry of the draft, but we don't have any team leaders... those who are attempting to lead are leading in the wrong direction. I have no clue who we could choose to choose the teams. I firmly believe the coaches should probably lead the draft, but it defeats the purpose. I think when kids can choose the teams, even if it is their buddies, they at least have a bond, an ability to communicate, which may create that peer pressure to get them in the weight room. 2. If we simply grouped the teams by position, that handles most of the problems, but I don't know if any of our kids have the influence to get other kids to do the right thing. Character wise, we are at an all time low... and attendance wise, we aren't far behind. I think the points system could get them excited, but without the leadership... I'm confused on how to set up the teams. Heres what Id do if you can do it....start the point system first in an individual phase, then let your point leaders be the kids who draft, afterall, they are your leaders. simple and makes a loud statement. |
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Post by rocket1 on Jan 23, 2010 6:40:16 GMT -6
touchdownmaker, any chance you would share the specifics of your points program? All of these are great thoughts and ideas!
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 23, 2010 6:57:34 GMT -6
When I first came in I had a pretty elaborate system. Over time I have chosen to simplify it to fit our program needs.
I more or less use the following blue print:
I schedule workouts 4 days a week for 30 minutes. There are two workouts each to be done twice a week. Complete the posted workout and receive two points. I then tag on "bonus" points that can be earned by doing "extra credit" like running stairs or agility runs or 40s. Some kids will earn 6 points in a session, others are satisfied at earning the 2. I simply have a grade book and I record the points earned under the date/day of the week just like any other class.
Originally I had wanted to use gpax10 for points, I scrapped that so I dont have to do the math, instead, any of our athletes that gets recognized by the trimester ( they do it every trimester, recognize all As or all Bs etc) gets 20 pride points added to their score. (theoretically you could get 60 pride points a year just from good grades, thats the same as making 30 workouts)- we also give out a trophy at our banquet to the kid with the highest gpa during the season.
so, we give points for workouts and academics...then we had a huge character/citizenship issue to address. Id email all of the teachers and provide a list of our players. Id ask how the kids behaved, were they respectful , are they responsible in class etc. Id give 5 bonus points if the feedback was positive here. It also puts some onus on the kids to "ask" their teachers to provide nice feedback (teaching assertiveness) akin to asking for a raise eh?
part of citizenship is community service. We tell the kids to wear their pride tee shirts and get involved in different community events. we have had kids chaperone dances, stack wood, work with the elderly, beautify the school etc all getting points at the rate of 2 per hour, 3 if in gear with a positive comment by the folks having the work done. kIds dont exactly jump out looking for work like this but we have had a small handful of kids that get satisfaction from that.
We also give points for attendance at practice and even "grade" the practice so to speak docking points for lateness, laziness, discipline etc.
finally, we are a small school, we want our kids playing 3 sports and being involved , making friends etc. We give 2 points a week for participation in other sports provided they stay eligible.
Thats it, easy, clean simple...I have a white board in the wt room that I simply update every week or so and I keep my grade book. I was posting the monthly leader sheets but the "angry kids" in school rip them down (ie kids who didnt earn and ended up quitting like to sabbotage stuff)
What I like about it is that its really effective in establishing my core, helps me plan for what we can do the following season because i know whos going to be there. we welcome all of the kids, earners or not as we need every able body but we want to reward the daylights out of the earners. *dont be punitive for not earning, that will just "cut" kids who already arent sure they want to play. I do think the low character type kids have weeded themselves out of our program, I mean our team is like a poster for "class and character" right now. Seems like as the angry kids weed themselves out that more "nice" kids come out....unfortunately some of them arent great athletes but they are willing to *try* and improve themselves unlike those who rest on what they can already do.
as far as rewards/awards:
a monthly award, something simple like pizza or ice cream or breakfast
a point total award like, 100 points gets a tee shirt, 200 a hat, 300 a sweatshirt
trophy for annual top earner
also you can tie points into post season honors and captain status.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 23, 2010 7:29:22 GMT -6
oh yeah and you can use the points for things like this too:
"hey charlie, the helmets and shoulder pads just came in, we need to count them. can you give me a hand after school with inventory? 2 points"
or "jimmy, there are 3 8th graders coming to the wt room this afternoon, I know you already lifted but would you mind spotting and teaching them this afternoon, 3 points"
stuff like that. we try to reward OWNERSHIP and create ownership chances.
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Post by coachplaa on Jan 23, 2010 9:05:09 GMT -6
I agree with getting administrator support. Make sure your AD or Principal knows and understands your system. Preach the safety aspect of earning points by showing up to the weight room all summer to get stronger and "be able to protect themselves more."
Also, here is a BIG one....no matter how many points you set the bar at, the kids that want to play football will easily make those points. If you have kids that don't make the points, LET THEM GO. I have kept maybe about 8 players in the last 5 years, that were close to making points but fell short. Not only did I let down the guys that made the point cutoff, but none of those 8 guys were a true team player. I learned my lesson the hard way.
I've also had 1 player that would have been an outstanding football player scoff at the point system. He would have been our starting tailback. He came maybe to three football workouts all summer, then showed up in August ready to play. I sent him home. Parents got mad. Principal had my back. Every player on our team was happy about it, because even though he would have made us better, his ego was not that of a team player and he was really hated by his peers.
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Post by jackedup on Jan 23, 2010 9:21:15 GMT -6
I like what every one is saying. These are all awesome ideas!
For me, I've been trying to create something like this for awhile. I thought about having the kids elect captains, for the off season only, then assigning a captain with a coach. From there have the captains draft backwards - freshmen then sophomores then juniors then seniors. The thing I like about having a coach assigned to each team is that it allows the kids to see the coach as an authority figure as well. For us we have a lot of coaches who are not teachers and therefore the kids do not see or hear from them except for once or twice a week whenever they have weightroom duty.
We included all the same type of things:
-grades
-behavioral points
-lifts (attendance & results)
But then we include Competition Days. Every Wednesday will be a different competition where the teams will compete against each other. It could be obstacle course, relays, stairs, dodge ball, whatever. But the idea is it builds competition and teamwork. I was worried about cliques but I tried to make it a point after each day to come together.
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Post by cnunley on Jan 23, 2010 9:52:17 GMT -6
I agree with getting administrator support. Make sure your AD or Principal knows and understands your system. Preach the safety aspect of earning points by showing up to the weight room all summer to get stronger and be able to protect themselves more.
Great Comment
Preaching Safety is the "Safest" way to have a points system.
When administration have your back on this detail you are golden to get the program on the right track.
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Post by khalfie on Jan 23, 2010 13:05:12 GMT -6
Love the lift acronym... between your guide and TD's, looks like I have everything I need. I'm caught between the two alternatives of how to formulate the teams. 1. I want the pomp and pagentry of the draft, but we don't have any team leaders... those who are attempting to lead are leading in the wrong direction. I have no clue who we could choose to choose the teams. I firmly believe the coaches should probably lead the draft, but it defeats the purpose. I think when kids can choose the teams, even if it is their buddies, they at least have a bond, an ability to communicate, which may create that peer pressure to get them in the weight room. 2. If we simply grouped the teams by position, that handles most of the problems, but I don't know if any of our kids have the influence to get other kids to do the right thing. Character wise, we are at an all time low... and attendance wise, we aren't far behind. I think the points system could get them excited, but without the leadership... I'm confused on how to set up the teams. Heres what Id do if you can do it....start the point system first in an individual phase, then let your point leaders be the kids who draft, afterall, they are your leaders. simple and makes a loud statement. Excellent idea! Good stuff! |
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 23, 2010 14:05:32 GMT -6
Heres another idea that we use...its not for everyone but we like it.
the lowest point earners have water/ice, field clean up duty for the week.
we arent trying to make anyone feel bad or anything but its like real life, you want a good job, you had better apply yourself.
whats cool is that the kids will recruit for us so that they have someone with less points under them. Ie jimmy has 45 points...then jack comes out and hes at 0....guess whos off water/ice and field clean up?
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Post by cnunley on Jan 23, 2010 16:40:14 GMT -6
Heres another idea that we use...its not for everyone but we like it. the lowest point earners have water/ice, field clean up duty for the week. we arent trying to make anyone feel bad or anything but its like real life, you want a good job, you had better apply yourself. whats cool is that the kids will recruit for us so that they have someone with less points under them. Ie jimmy has 45 points...then jack comes out and hes at 0....guess whos off water/ice and field clean up? Really like that idea but I would rather penalize the lowest TEAM instead of individual player. We have 4 teams right now. Everyone on the losing team should have the duties during the season. Just my spin on it. Good idea though. |
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Post by stang43 on Jan 23, 2010 17:32:27 GMT -6
We are doing something similar to what you are describing in our program and it has been the best thing I have ever done. We have four teams with a coach assigned to each team. We give points for reps on the last set of our core lift for the day, and for the teams place in our daily competition. We compete every day usually in a timed event (sit-ups for a min., pushups for a min, etc). It get very intense and the kids love it. We also deduct points for tardies, detentions, etc. The kids really hold each other accountable. We have "game day" during the last week of the month between the top two teams. We do a best 2 out of 3 in various competitions. There's more to it, but you get the idea. PM if you have any questions.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 24, 2010 10:42:34 GMT -6
I am about to order our first batch of tee shirts for the 100 point guys. I dont see very many tees going out at this rate but I want to make a big statement with the first message.
Lets have some ideas for the tees. We always put P.R.I.D.E on the tees somewhere.
last year we had "champions train, losers complain" and "in this give and take world, winners give what it takes" and our sweat shirts said "in it to win it"
looking for this years slogan. thinking "no guts, no glory" because we are coming off a down season and the message is there, you do nothing, you get nothing. we arent good enough to just sit on our duffs all year and hope to show up and beat people.
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Post by go42 on Jan 24, 2010 13:37:51 GMT -6
This will be the third year of utilizing a leadership program (point system). We have had a pretty successful program at a very small school with very small numbers (16-19 on varsity - 13-15 on jv). This program has done wonders at holding each other accountable.
One reward that we have found to be a major motivational tool is allowing the ten players who accumulate the most points over the course of the program to sit out and watch two conditioning periods during the first week of practice.
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Post by gunrun on Jan 25, 2010 12:54:40 GMT -6
Great stuff from all you guys who posted--one of the best threads on here in a while. My idea would be for once a month to have tug of war, obstacle course, tire flipping, and stuff like that with all four (or more if you are at a huge school) teams competing for points. Off-season really helps to create "juice" in the off-season and keeps things from getting boring.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 25, 2010 13:10:54 GMT -6
we are not allowed otherwise we would do our MARCH MADNESS with teams doing all kinds of events and testing etc.
we can open the wt room and suggest running /agility workouts but thats it.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jan 25, 2010 13:29:38 GMT -6
This is what we used last year. We have no problem getting kids in to the WR, at practice, etc... but last year we did have problems which necessitated the "MINUS POINTS" area.
(page 1)
Name ______________________ Height _____________ Weight _________
Address ____________________ City __________ Zip ________
Home Phone __________________ Cell Phone _________________________
Parent/Guardians Name ________________________________________
Current Bench Max _____________ Current Squat Max _______________
Current Clean Max _____________ Current Pro Agility Best _______________
Goal Bench Max by August ___________ Goal Squat Max by August ____________
Goal Clean Max by August ___________ Goal Pro Agility Best ____________
Goal Body Weight by August ______________
Offensive FB Position _____________ Defensive Football Position _______¬¬¬___
Individual Goals for next season __________________________________________________
Team Goals for next year ________________________________________________________
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I (player)_____________________________ and (parent)_____________________________ understand that in order to be a Bloomfield Football Player it takes a great deal of commitment and dedication. By signing this, I signify that, at all times, I will work extremely hard to improve my strength, speed and athleticism. I also understand that if I do not, I will jeopardize my chances to reach my full potential as a football player, which will also jeopardize my playing time.
I accept the fact that if I need to miss a workout, I will inform Coach Dooley prior to the workout. I realize that I am expected to be present and work hard at during the summer workouts. I understand that summer conditioning impacts my ability level- and my ability level impacts the team. I also understand that I need to earn 75 points to play in a (JV or Var.) game.
Finally, I understand that by signing this agreement, I will accept the fact that the coaches will do everything possible to help me reach my goals, which includes contacting me to make sure I am at- and get the most out of summer football conditioning and the other opportunities the football program offers.
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BLOOMFIELD FOOTBALL- Point System / Signed Agreement
OFF SEASON POINTS
40 days of summer conditioning 0-40
(90%-100%- 4 FREE excused misses)
(5 misses and beyond results in actual numeric value
-so 5misses is 35, 6 is 34 and so on)
BHS Clinic 4
WSC Camp 8
NSU Camp /other Day Camp 2
5 on 5 / O-Line Challenge 1 each
Spring Activity 0-20
Track 20
80-99% FB Cond . 12
100% FB Cond 16
SUB TOTAL (Max) 76
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BONUS POINTS
200lb / 315 Club 2 (each)
250 lb. /500 3
800 4
1000 10
No disciplinary incidents at school
(2/27 until end of semester) 5
All grades C or above 2
Leadership Workshop (JR/SR ONLY) 1
BONUS (MAX) 32
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MINUS POINTS
Any school suspension (ISS or OSS) -3
MIP/Any trouble with law * -60
Any illegal activity admitted to online,
on film, in pictures or in writing -40
(*Self Report = -30)
MINUS MAX A Lot
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12 Minute Run 45
* Consecutive days (of practice) in 12 min run reduce laps required by 1 lap each day).
By Defensive Position DB- 12
LB- 11
DL- 10
12 MIN.RUN (MAX) 45
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Full Practice (in season)* 1 per day (15 before first JV game)
*additional practice requirements TBD at Senior Meeting at WSC Camp
BONUS (MAX) Indefinite
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Points Needed 75 pts. needed to play in a game (plus 9 practices and
no unexcused misses)
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Post by mikay on Jan 27, 2010 18:40:27 GMT -6
Great ideas here but what do you guys do for a player who is injured? i.e. had shoulder surgery and cannot lift....
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