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Post by coachmays on Jan 19, 2010 9:15:14 GMT -6
Is having a Saturday film session and short practice on Saturday necessary? I've seen it done both ways. What sparks this question is that I was reading the Monday practice post and it looks like that is very similar to what I've seen many do on Saturdays. Our week looks like this: Monday: Film with players of upcoming opponent and previous game. 60 min, Weights 45 minutes, Offense Install 15 min, Defense Install 15 min- JV game if scheduled Tuesday: Full 2 1/2 practice: Focus on Inside run and skelly Wednesday: Full 2 1/2 practice: Focus Situational Thursday: Light 1 1/2 practice reviewing all aspects of the gameplan including situations, substitutions, matchups, etc... Friday: School, Team Meal, Game Saturday: Game Film Trade with upcoming opponent Sunday: Coaches Meeting 7am- usually 7pm sometimes crazy times Please share your thoughts on Saturdays Pros and Cons
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Post by blb on Jan 19, 2010 9:25:33 GMT -6
I'm probably in minority but we don't do anything on Saturdays. That's staff and players' day off in-season.
I watch our game film and make exchange with upcoming opponents Saturday morning.
Watching college football is my way to "debrief" from our game. I'll break down a half of an opponents' video, then watch some CFB; alternate like that until Saturday night.
Sunday morning-early afternoon I finish breakdowns. Staff meets 3-5 pm, varsity kids watch film 5-7 pm.
So Monday we hit the practice field immediately.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2010 9:30:37 GMT -6
It can be beneficial if done right, but I don't view Saturday practices as necessity. I've been with one program where players and coaches had Saturdays off. Coaches seemed to come into Sunday meetings refreshed and same with the players for Monday practice. I've been in one program where we did Saturday film and practice and quite frankly feel the players would have gotten more out of it if we did give them the day off.
Program I'm with now has Saturday morning sessions and that's when we watch film of the previous game and have a short conditioning session on the field. Again, what we do is beneficial, but I don't know if we'd be any worse off if we just gave them the day off. The problem with that, though, is Saturdays are a JV walk-through for us as we play most JV games on Mondays.
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Post by blb on Jan 19, 2010 9:49:37 GMT -6
Perhaps I should've mentioned our JVs play on Thursdays, so that's not a consideration.
We couldn't show video to kids Saturday morning because I have not yet watched it myself - am not going to watch it Friday night right after game. Going to watch scores on TV with coaches and wives, and celebrate or commiserate together.
Would have to bring staff in very early (7 or 8 am) and kids afterwards...and I just don't want to do that.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 19, 2010 9:50:24 GMT -6
I think if you have a jv team it gives a good chance for them to get some work in
good time to do film
but if numbers are a problem then maybe its best to get rid of saturday
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Post by airraider on Jan 19, 2010 10:34:52 GMT -6
Ive done the 7 day work week before.. but didnt like it.. we didnt bring kids in on the weekends.. but coaches were there..
Previous to that.. we did have the kids up on Sat mornings..
I would never have kids required to show up on Sunday evenings.. just NO WAY..
Now as a HC, I do not even require my coaches to show up on Sundays..
Now.. IF.. you have a planning period that all coaches share prior to practice.. you can get anything done during that time that you could on Sunday evening..
That was the one thing I didnt like when we all had 3rd block off at my first stop.. everyone jetted off and went on a 1.5 hour lunch during 3rd block.. and we had to spend all evening on Sunday at the school.. we could have just done that work during those 3rd block times.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Jan 19, 2010 11:53:10 GMT -6
I love Saturday 8am films, lifting and running... We get to the field and run right at 8 to get all the soreness out. Then a light maintainance lift followed by films... We watch our game from Friday and some cutups of our next opponent. I do this for a few reasons... 1 - good to get soreness out 2 - great day to lift 3 - watch the game while fresh on brain 4 - leaves Monday as a work day 5 - a deterrent to staying out too late on Friday 6 - might bring them some OJ and food - great chance to bond... maybe watch some of the college games on together too...
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 19, 2010 12:25:04 GMT -6
I've done both and I've liked both. We instituted Sat morning practices here three years ago. For two years, the kids came in, stretched, lifted and then we let them watch the film on their own. Captains ran it. Got all the giggles and crap out of the way there and then we watched it with them on Monday afternoon and did the critical stuff. We also never watched a lot of film of the other team with the kids under this system. I liked it. Saturdays went quick, it was pretty relaxed, kids brought juice and stuff to watch the film with and overall it was a nice little break. Also liked not showing them the opponents film because then they didn't get a big head since video is always misleading about an opponents abilities and when it came to prepping them for what they're going to see they just saw what we wanted them to see. Sure, they may have ran a certain play against that team for 150 yds, but that doesn't mean they're going to run it against us. Without them seeing it on film, they have no choice but to focus on what we think they're going to run.
This year we did Saturdays entirely different. Kids watched film with us first thing Sat morning then lifted then went home. I didn't think it was as productive as I didn't get as good an opportunity to review the film and take notes on each play as I normally did. I tried early in the season, but getting done watching film at 1am and then turning around for practice at 8 was not happening. Plus, the kids were not in the mood to watch the previous nights game. Mostly because we lost 7 of 9 games. We then would have staff meetings from 5-8:30ish Sunday nights. Often they turned into watching film silently or watching our HC look at a wipe board without talking for an hour plus.
But I digress. In the future, if given the opportunity to schedule such things, I think I will not have Saturday practices. I think as coaches we undervalue down time and don't give the kids enough time away from us and the school. I know this past year I felt like I never left the school. I imagine our kids felt the same way.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 19, 2010 12:30:14 GMT -6
I have been doing this a long time and done it all ways possible and I think Saturday should be day off for Varsity players. No reason you couldn't do films and lift at 3pm Sunday.
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Post by blb on Jan 19, 2010 12:33:27 GMT -6
Too much of a good thing, even football, is still too much.
larrymoe, I agree - if you as a coach are tired and sick of being at school, imagine how the kids feel.
Sometimes working smart means - take a break.
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 19, 2010 13:00:10 GMT -6
the ONLY reason we chose to meet early on Saturday mornings with our players was to begin treatment on those injuries that flare up overnight.
we disguise this will game video (which we could just as easily do no Sun evenings).
Getting those kids treated first thing on Saturday is HUGE.
I've HC'd in programs where we've done the light practice, just watch video, ran conditioning. Getting them treated is enuf reason to have all show up.
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 19, 2010 13:01:52 GMT -6
the ONLY reason we chose to meet early on Saturday mornings with our players was to begin treatment on those injuries that flare up overnight.
we disguise this will game video (which we could just as easily do no Sun evenings).
Getting those kids treated first thing on Saturday is HUGE.
I've HC'd in programs where we've done the light practice, just watch video, ran conditioning. Getting them treated is enuf reason to have all show up.
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Post by thakatalyst on Jan 19, 2010 13:37:49 GMT -6
the ONLY reason we chose to meet early on Saturday mornings with our players was to begin treatment on those injuries that flare up overnight. we disguise this will game video (which we could just as easily do no Sun evenings). Getting those kids treated first thing on Saturday is HUGE. I've HC'd in programs where we've done the light practice, just watch video, ran conditioning. Getting them treated is enuf reason to have all show up. Yes yes yes! I played in a very successful program, and this is what we did. I bumped into one of my old coaches a couple of years back and asked him why we practiced on Saturday and this is what he said: take care of injuries, keep guys out of trouble after the game on Friday night by making them wake up earlier than they want to, light conditioning to keep muscles loose. We (players) didn't watch film until Monday.
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Post by blb on Jan 19, 2010 13:46:06 GMT -6
Treatment would be the only reason I would consider having kids come in Saturdays, but frankly we don't get many that need it.
We tell them to check with trainer if they have any boo boos or owies before they leave post-game, and to "RICE" any injuries they wake up with Saturday.
And, if you think bringing them in Saturday mornings is going to stop those predisposed to "get into trouble" Friday night, I'd suggest you're being naive.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 19, 2010 15:22:14 GMT -6
It would be kind of hard for us to run Saturday morning practices consistently, as that's when we play our JV games.
BUT, I do think that it would be a good thing to run a quick practice, helmets only, on Saturday morning; 45 minutes of warming up, stretching, and running through some quick indy stuff. Then run a quick film session, if possible, just covering the highlights of the game.
I like the Saturday morning practices because it prevents injuries. It allows the kids to get some blood flowing through those muscles, clearing out the lactic acid remnants. Versus having them sit on their butts all weekend, getting tighter and more sore.
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Post by thakatalyst on Jan 19, 2010 16:07:09 GMT -6
[/quote]And, if you think bringing them in Saturday mornings is going to stop those predisposed to "get into trouble" Friday night, I'd suggest you're being naive.[/quote] There's always a few that still go out and put themselves in poor situations, but it's okay to provide them with a little incentive to NOT go out. Unfortunately, unlike you, not all of us coach cyborgs that never get hurt and won't ever need treatment. We could have used a few of those this past season If you create a culture where a Saturday "practice" is EXPECTED, it works. My high school HC's 300+ wins confirms it. Not saying that if you don't practice on Saturdays, you won't ever be successful, but it's what I've seen, what I believe in, and what we do.
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Post by phantom on Jan 19, 2010 16:35:21 GMT -6
We don't practice on Saturday. When I played in high school-for a coach who has over 300 wins- we didn't practice on Saturday. I can see the benefits of bringing them in on Saturday but if the question is whether it's necessary, I don't think so.
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Post by thakatalyst on Jan 19, 2010 16:43:26 GMT -6
We don't practice on Saturday. When I played in high school-for a coach who has over 300 wins- we didn't practice on Saturday. I can see the benefits of bringing them in on Saturday but if the question is whether it's necessary, I don't think so. True. Like I said, it's what I experienced. As a young man, I NEEDED it. In fact a lot of us did. Like anything else in coaching, you need to find what works for you and the environment you work in and wish to create. With our environment of gangs, family issues, drugs, etc., a lot of my teammates WANTED to come in on Saturday. Again, like Phantom said, it could work either way. You just need to figure out what works for you.
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Post by airman on Jan 19, 2010 17:13:58 GMT -6
I believe in saturday practice however, I do not believe in doing anything on sundays. sundays for us are family day.
I know places where the players meet on saturday and coaches come in sundays as well.
the main benefit I feel on saturdays is getting injured players treatment and getting players looked at who might be injured.
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Post by redandwhite on Jan 19, 2010 17:15:48 GMT -6
We are not allowed by our High School League to meet with kids on Sundays. the system we have developed is that Saturday is optional - but - you better have a good reason for not being there, and you have to let your position coach know you will not be there and why. As incentive, it is the only opportunity to see the entire game film as a group. On Monday we show a few cut-ups and the ST cut-ups and then move on to our next opponent. We watch film, do a light stretch and run, then lift.
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Post by cnunley on Jan 19, 2010 17:40:33 GMT -6
We haven't practiced on Saturdays before, but are thinking about doing so next season.
I like the idea of doing some light conditioning, short weight lifting session and then watch our last game.
I like the idea of having the banged up kids come in so we can have a better idea of their injury sooner.
It might be a hard sell where we are at because Saturday practices are not the norm, but something I've thought about is having it "voluntary" but if you miss, you will not get your helmet award decals because we will be giving them out during Saturdays film session.
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Post by coachjr on Jan 19, 2010 17:46:40 GMT -6
We bring the varsity in on Saturday. Our Junior Varsity plays at 10 am. This is our Varsity Saturday routine.
Captains take attendance - make phone calls if necessary to any absent. Players Stretch (pretty extensive) and then do some light running. Lifting Session - High Reps - low weight. All this is done with the intent to assess any injuries and to alleviate some of the normal soreness from a game the night before. Our trainer is available if someone needs to see him or for him to make a call to parents/doctor to set up an appointment if necessary. While this is done we are checking team morale. We like to make sure we are "all together" when the players leave Saturday. We want any lingering questions as to why someone didn't play more, etc. answered before they leave for the week-end. After the stretching, running and lifting (takes approx. 45-50 minutes) we watch film as a team of our game the night before. Many times we don't get through the entire film but it is a good way to give feedback to the team. When Monday comes we are already dealing with our next opponent and scouting report for them. On Saturday the players are required to report by 8:30 am and are usually gone by 10 am. We do not do anything as a staff or team on Sunday.
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Post by jhanawa on Jan 19, 2010 18:30:32 GMT -6
Saturday is a full pad day for Freshmen, who play on Wednesdays. JV's and Varsity its a no pad light lift, run out the bumps/bruises workout and film. Early Saturday mornings help prevent late Friday nights by the players and are a great "primer" for college games later in the day.... Maybe they aren't necessary but they are productive for us.
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Post by NC1974 on Jan 22, 2010 14:15:07 GMT -6
For you guys who don't practice on Saturdays, do you bring the kids in on Sundays? Also, for those of you who don't practice on Saturday, do the coaches meet on Saturday, Sunday, bith, or neither.
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Post by phantom on Jan 22, 2010 14:20:41 GMT -6
For you guys who don't practice on Saturdays, do you bring the kids in on Sundays? Also, for those of you who don't practice on Saturday, do the coaches meet on Saturday, Sunday, bith, or neither. It's illegal in our state to bring the kids in on Sunday. We meet as a staff at 5 PM on Sunday.
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Post by fbcoach74 on Jan 22, 2010 14:27:46 GMT -6
we have for the past 4 years, we bring them in for film then we jog, stretch and take ice baths to work out the soreness 2 hours max. But after reading alot of things on here might eliminate it.
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Post by PSS on Jan 22, 2010 18:36:56 GMT -6
The only only time we will not bring the varsity up on Saturday for film and weights is when we have a Thursday night game. Having 5 HS share one stadium you have a few Thursday and Saturday games.
I bringing them in for the rehab lifting and conditioning as much as the film work. When you go through a 10 week season and plan for a 16 week season you want to make sure that you take care of their bodies. Plus, the teaching benefits of film in a positional setting on Saturday morning is better than any other time than we can get.
Coaches break down film from 7-9 a.m. Kids get their at 9:30 Offense workouts until 10:30 / Defense in film Defense workouts until 11:30 / Offense in film Kids out by noon
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Post by khalfie on Jan 22, 2010 19:38:52 GMT -6
To not have Saturday practice...
Is down right un-american!
Fricken commies!
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Post by los on Jan 22, 2010 20:31:55 GMT -6
Ha Ha......cmon khalfie....I say, forcing kids(and coach's) to come back to school on Saturday and practice is un-American.......dang national socialists.....lol....but I agree with Phantom and blb = its not necessary! After 5 days(with the players) and part of Sun. evening(with the coach's), I had as much fun as I could stand for a week.........Saturdays too = "Helll nooo, we won't go".....ha ha ;D
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Post by khalfie on Jan 22, 2010 21:16:57 GMT -6
Ha Ha......cmon khalfie....I say, forcing kids(and coach's) to come back to school on Saturday and practice is un-American.......dang national socialists.....lol....but I agree with Phantom and blb = its not necessary! After 5 days(with the players) and part of Sun. evening(with the coach's), I had as much fun as I could stand for a week.........Saturdays too = "Helll nooo, we won't go".....ha ha ;D Hippie! All I'm sayin'... is that I firmly believe in the value of film... If we don't watch the previous nights game Sat morn... when would we do it? We have to learn from our mistakes... and Saturdays the day, because Monday we are looking at film of our forth coming opponents. There's just not enough time... you've got to watch Saturday... otherwise, you'll be behind on the future opponent... But again... I'm not sayin'... I'm just sayin'
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