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Post by joe83843 on Jan 18, 2010 2:16:16 GMT -6
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Post by coachweav88 on Jan 18, 2010 6:23:27 GMT -6
I watched it on tv last night. It was awesome!
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Post by coachjd on Jan 18, 2010 6:28:28 GMT -6
I keep telling the Catholic priest in town that we should start a samoan orphange, but he just laughs.
Great piece on 60 minutes!! I played with 2 samoans back in the day in college, these guys were the 2 toughest SOB's I have ever seen. Very raw football skill, but amazing strength and speed and desire to hit!!!
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matten
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Post by matten on Jan 18, 2010 7:35:43 GMT -6
they should change the national sport to football. all the samoans I've coached had huge ballsecurity and tackling problems, cause of their rugby play. But the linemen were huge
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Post by davecisar on Jan 18, 2010 9:11:51 GMT -6
The TV spot seemed to suggest the kids as a group were very coachable. The kids came from hard working families that required obedience and manual labor from the kids. Their practice fields and equipment were appalling. I read a magazine article awhile back where some of these kids practice in pads in bare feet. 200 DI kids playing now and 30 in the NFL from an island of 65,000. Kid in Samoa is 59X more likely to play in the NFL than someone from the mainland- that's just unreal IMO
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Post by davishfc on Jan 18, 2010 9:20:29 GMT -6
Outstanding piece by 60 minutes. Doesn't look like there is a whole lot of opportunity there for those kids so at least they have football. On top of that, several of them are good enough to make it to college and then on to the NFL. Even if they don't make it to the NFL, there are other opportunities they may have to use that athletic ability and football skill to earn a living. Did you see the house the player from the Bengals built for his family? Good for him and them!
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 18, 2010 9:25:29 GMT -6
The TV spot seemed to suggest the kids as a group were very coachable. The kids came from hard working families that required obedience and manual labor from the kids. Their practice fields and equipment were appalling. I read a magazine article awhile back where some of these kids practice in pads in bare feet. 200 DI kids playing now and 30 in the NFL from an island of 65,000. Kid in Samoa is 59X more likely to play in the NFL than someone from the mainland- that's just unreal IMO Amazing that the answer seems so simple..and yet we are SO SO SO far away from it..
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ystick2
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Post by ystick2 on Jan 18, 2010 10:48:18 GMT -6
I would be willing to donate resources if someone could take the lead in organizing something to help meet equipment needs.
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Post by tothehouse on Jan 18, 2010 11:11:42 GMT -6
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Post by pantherpride91 on Jan 18, 2010 11:15:25 GMT -6
Awesome piece....
I loved the part where they talk about the young man doing a days worth of work before school starts and when they ask the dad about it he says that is way he was raised and he expects his children to respect him (quite a novel concept these days).
Samoa is a perfect example of of what an old Woody Hayes quote "You win with people". They show what happens when expectations are not lowered by society and people are not looking for the easy way out or the next modern convienience to help them "survive".
Ystick I am with you.
If anyone knows of any organizations that contributes resources or is willing to try and start one I would love to help out.
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coachbigelow
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Post by coachbigelow on Jan 18, 2010 13:16:19 GMT -6
The statement about them being nice kids off the field then when the pads come on they are mean is so true. I have seen the nicest kids become the meanest players during a game it is amazing to watch.
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Post by khalfie on Jan 18, 2010 14:23:53 GMT -6
I would be willing to donate resources if someone could take the lead in organizing something to help meet equipment needs. I feel you on helping the Samoans with football... as football men, that's the type of issue we should support... But then again... there are dead folks in Haiti... deplorable hospital accomodations, a lack of food, water, shelter... I can't think of sending $ anywhere else. More so... like Davecisar quoted from the show... [glow=red,2,300]30 in the NFL from an island of 65,000. Kid in Samoa is 59X more likely to play in the NFL than someone from the mainland- that's just unreal IMO[/glow]Um... can't some of these cats give back a little? Hell the tax implications alone should make that a no brainer? One school had 3 nfl'ers but was still using atiquated equipment? Samoans unite? I have these same issues with the African American community... guys coming from the worst neighborhoods... talking about how they escaped... but yet won't return to help youngsters that have no control over where they are raised or how they are raised. 30 nfl'ers... I think they said there were only 8 schools? What's the problem? I'm sure, they could use their resources, and not even have to come out of their own pockets to make that happen... But again... I need to stay out of other folks wallets... and be mindful of what I'm willing to do.
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Post by jno on Jan 18, 2010 15:03:38 GMT -6
Matten "I've coached had huge ballsecurity and tackling problems, cause of their rugby play."
It's funny because their known for devasting tackle and great ball skill in the rugby world! that why australiens & new zelander recruit them heavily.
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Post by td4tc on Jan 18, 2010 18:04:55 GMT -6
have had the pleasure to coach with the "throwin samoan".played at long beach state then Star QB in the CFL(BC LIONS) and is one of the nicest guys on the planet. family has a million football playing boys. Also, helped develop Flutie as QB coach for Lions.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 18, 2010 18:51:08 GMT -6
Matten "I've coached had huge ballsecurity and tackling problems, cause of their rugby play." It's funny because their known for devasting tackle and great ball skill in the rugby world! that why australiens & new zelander recruit them heavily. True, great skills, but the problem is that American football and rugby are similar enough to bring out learned reactions from one when playing the other, yet different enough that the rxn that's effective in one game is less than ideal or even detrimental in the other, so that players switching from one to the other have to unlearn certain habits. In Rugby Union when you're being tackled you have to keep the ball from being tied up, while in American football you want to tie up the ball. I got a phone call just as the segment came on TV so I missed much of the audio. Did it even mention rugby? The game is very big in the Pacific, in Samoa as well as Tonga and especially Fiji.
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Post by 1/11th on Jan 18, 2010 19:52:43 GMT -6
That was a great segment. Do know that their field are made up of a lot of lava rock. OUCH. Our kids complain about mud. That was great with what the dad said. It is so true that it all starts at home!! In the mainland we are spending all this time and money on character education. Like the warm up as well.
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Post by rogerwilco on Jan 18, 2010 20:22:47 GMT -6
I had the privilege of going on a mission trip to American Samoa last year. Our main purpose was spreading the gospel, but our vehicle was football camp. We had two camps a day. In the morning, players from four of the six high schools would come, and in the afternoon we would work with the younger kids. We had around 250 players, and was able to do some really individualized work with them. Their fundamentals weren't great, but they had a passion that is unmatched in the population for our kids on the mainland. They loved playing football, and most of all...they were COACHABLE!!! They would eat up everything you said, and do their best to please you. Their warrior mentality plays into the game of football so well. We were able to do some 11 on 11 work, and you talk about some intensity...WOW!!! It was a truly gratifying experience, and I'm heading back this year!!! I was blessed to work with the kids, and blessed to work alongside some great men.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 18, 2010 20:41:25 GMT -6
Great piece, except for the last line. Something like "It's not really about size at all, it's about heart". I just get kind of tired of hearing stuff like that, which has little to do with reality.
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Post by julien on Jan 19, 2010 7:52:10 GMT -6
Matten "I've coached had huge ballsecurity and tackling problems, cause of their rugby play." It's funny because their known for devasting tackle and great ball skill in the rugby world! that why australiens & new zelander recruit them heavily. I second that... There are a lot of Samoans playing in French Pro Rugby League. There are also known for being very coachable and nasty players on the field... And jno ;-) probably know a lot about rugby as he lived in thr rugby french mecca!
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Post by mitch on Jan 20, 2010 11:24:24 GMT -6
I've coached a few islanders, and they just have a lot of attributes that make good football players. Strong, quick, aggressive, etc.
Very respectful, easygoing people, also.
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Post by coachcreme on Jan 20, 2010 19:33:18 GMT -6
I loved it.....I had four Polynesian kids who I have been coaching for a few years now....And just like the piece spoke on they are a about Family/Discipline/Respect and hard work....If you build that trust with them its a very strong player coach bond....
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Post by windigo on Jan 21, 2010 11:17:44 GMT -6
The TV spot seemed to suggest the kids as a group were very coachable. The kids came from hard working families that required obedience and manual labor from the kids. Their practice fields and equipment were appalling. I read a magazine article awhile back where some of these kids practice in pads in bare feet. 200 DI kids playing now and 30 in the NFL from an island of 65,000. Kid in Samoa is 59X more likely to play in the NFL than someone from the mainland- that's just unreal IMO As someone who has played with and coached many many Polynesians the shoes thing is more cultural. You cant get them to ware shoes. ‘Coach why does my back hurt?' Because you walk barefoot on concrete!
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Post by Coach JR on Jan 21, 2010 13:41:04 GMT -6
I've coached a few islanders, and they just have a lot of attributes that make good football players. Strong, quick, aggressive, etc. Very respectful, easygoing people, also. I haven't known that many Samoans. Went through Basic and Infantry Army training with one. He was around 5'9" to 5'10", and build like a fire plug with a normally quiet demeanor that didn't belie his pit bull disposition. He was normally compliant, but the drill sgt's feared him, and it was obvious. It may have just been a story, but he claimed to be there because it was either that or prison for an Assault he committed. I believed the story. The other was a Drill Sgt in another company at Ft. Benning. Dude was HUGE, and cut! A friggin gym rat/work-out freak! One of the bigger more physically impressive dudes I've seen in my lifetime, and just as nice as he could be!
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Post by bclyde on Jan 23, 2010 13:23:28 GMT -6
Great piece. I plan to show it to our kids to help them appreciate all that they have.
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Post by thakatalyst on Jan 25, 2010 19:41:26 GMT -6
I grew up in Oceanside, CA, which has the second highest number of Samoan population in the US (second to only Carson, CA, I think). These were tough dudes. A huge reason why Oceanside high schools (El Camino historically, Oceanside currently) have done so well. Unfortunately, gang problems have really plagued the community.
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Post by illiniwek on Jan 28, 2010 9:19:51 GMT -6
Thanks for the link joe - that was an excellent piece. I found it ironic that while they want to improve their situation, it is the lack of luxuries that make these players who they are. Again, great show. Coach T www.chiefpigskin.com
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