ozcoach
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Post by ozcoach on Jan 13, 2010 1:40:32 GMT -6
Just wondering, in terms of building the whole school program, generally do Freshman, JV and Varsity teams all employ the same system/scheme in regard to offense and defense to make the transition easier through the school?
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Post by coachinghopeful on Jan 13, 2010 1:49:25 GMT -6
Until I read some stuff on this board a few weeks ago, I'd never heard of them NOT all running the same stuff. It seems like a recipe for disaster if you try to run them all as three separate entities. So many problems with that which extend beyond the "transition" from year to year. Around here it's common for kids to make the transition from week to week!
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ozcoach
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Post by ozcoach on Jan 13, 2010 1:56:07 GMT -6
I can definitely see that Coachinghopeful.
So can I safely assume that at all schools the Varsity HC leads the process of selecting JV and Frosh HCs?
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Post by coachinghopeful on Jan 13, 2010 2:20:13 GMT -6
Well, I had assumed that, but then I found out that I was mistaken.
There are apparently some schools where the JV and frosh coaches are hired independent of the HC's input. They're in the minority and they're usually not very good, but they do exist.
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Post by mhcoach on Jan 13, 2010 8:12:16 GMT -6
I have seen things done both ways. My first HS job was Frosh Head Coach at a well respected private school. Varsity Head Coach told me to run anything I wanted, I asked for a playbook for the Varsity. He openned a drawer and pulled out cocktail napkins with plays on them. Here was this respected power and no system was in place across the board.
When I moved to Florida, not only were Frosh JV & Varsity running the same system, so was the Youth teams. Every year we would clinic up the youth teams in the spring, then help them implement our systems. Very effective.
Now living in Charlotte,NC. Here there is only JV & Varsity and most schools share coaching staffs. So naturally everyone runs the same system. I believe it's best when everyone is on the same page, a JV stud is only one ankle away frm the Varsity.
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 13, 2010 8:53:41 GMT -6
We keep our freshman with our sophomores (top sophomores excluded). Our staff is platooned - D on 1/2 the field and O on the other 1/2 of the field.
We look at our 10 coaches as VARSITY coaches during the week and each will coach up their position from grades 9 through 12. Every coach has a vested interest in Friday nights.
We have 100% continuity and unless we had much smaller numbers (100+) I wouldn't want to do it any other way.
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Post by lochness on Jan 13, 2010 11:59:56 GMT -6
We would not dream of doing it any other way. Our JV / Frosh coaches are a functional part of our staff. They are at all of our staff meetings and they are expected to learn, understand, and teach the same techniques, terminology, and systems that we use.
There really is not "we" and "them" now that I think about it...it's just "us." They are not treated as a seperate function, except for the fact that they practice seperately during the week.
We are one and the same.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 13, 2010 17:31:40 GMT -6
NO, some places treat ms completely different from hs.
I did not get to hire my own ms staff and they are not involved in any way shape or form on friday nights even though we have asked a million times. We invited them to all coaching meetings and clinics, none came.
they dont even have the same school nickname as us.
they do run our wedge and some of our dw plays but they do their own thing on defense and have a bunch more plays than we do (one olien scheme for the most part).
Some places just prefer to keep it separate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 8:37:25 GMT -6
At the youth/Jr. High level, I do not feel it's a necessity to run the same stuff as long as the kids are taught proper fundamentals. Our youth team does run our base plays, but I don't view it as necessity.
Now, I do feel it is essential for the JV to run what the Varsity does. As someone posted earlier, we are a small program, so a sophomore may be one injury away from a varsity starting spot, ready or not. This year, our JV actually ran more plays than the Varsity did, but our JV also had much more athleticism (relative to competition level) than our varsity did.
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Post by chi5hi on Jan 15, 2010 9:49:42 GMT -6
Professional and college coaches have only one team. High school HC's have three (at least). The school I coached in previous years had 5, two frosh, a soph team, a JV squad and the varsity. One HC can't handle all of that. The philosophy of offense, defense and special teams is universal, of course, but groups of kids and the talent in each group can be radically different. The idea should be to platoon all teams and get the kids on the field! Get everyone as much field experience as possible. One team my have tons of linemen, another may be loaded with receivers. Coaches should teach the basic philosophy, then the need to coach their individual team, get them on the field and let the kids have some fun. It's all about THEM, not the HC's won/loss record. If the varsity is running Airraid, and the freshmen don't have a mobile QB...guess what's going to happen. Hire lower level coaches who will follow a philosophy, evaluate the talent available, and are knowledgeable enough in football to coach up their group and let the kids play!
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Post by ozcoach on Jan 15, 2010 20:35:35 GMT -6
Some interesting insight. Thanks to those that answered my initial question.
Over here from our youth program up to our senior program we use the same terminology and same fundamentals, but allow some individual flexibility to suit the coach and the personnel.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 16, 2010 10:55:49 GMT -6
Every level in the HS program runs the same scheme; there shouldn't be any discussion about it.
But, that can be tough to take on at the middle school level, even if they all feed into the same HS. Most times, the HCs don't have a lot of say in who is hired at the middle school level and, to make matters worse, it can be tough to find middle school coaches in some areas. And, when you do, they don't have a whole lot of experience.
I was the HC of an 8th grade program for two years and it could be a rough ride sometimes. I talked to the HS HC that we fed into, picked up the basics of his scheme, and took it from there. We had a lot of success with it, but there were almost weekly discussions with the some of the assistants it... I was always open to discussion, but when most of the suggestions involve running Air Raid when you're running veer, things can get a little confrontational..
I can't even imagine being the HS HC and trying to manage what's going on at the middle schools...You can run a clinic or two, give them the basics of your scheme along with fundamental drills and that's about it..
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 16, 2010 11:12:45 GMT -6
Just wondering, in terms of building the whole school program, generally do Freshman, JV and Varsity teams all employ the same system/scheme in regard to offense and defense to make the transition easier through the school? Considering that the coaching staff will overlap, think how much more work it would be for them to have more than one system in use at the same time. And that's even before you consider the players who might be promoted or demoted from team to team during the season. |
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Post by bluboy on Jan 17, 2010 8:37:16 GMT -6
Our frosh run the same offense and defense as the varsity. The head coach makes this perfectly clear in the first pre-season staff meeting we have every year. In fact, at certain times during practice, a varsity coach(some times the head coach) will go with the frosh to coach offense or defense.
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Post by CatsCoach on Jan 17, 2010 10:23:33 GMT -6
Our freshman and JV ran the same O and D that Varsity did. Our most of us on the varsity staff also coach the JV team & JV practice with Varsity. Our youth program doesn't run the same stuff that the HS does. Well In some cases some of the teams might run what one of our local HS run some of the youth team might just run a sprinkle, it just depends on the coach. The hard part is our youth program feeds into 2 high schools, really 3 high schools.
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Post by jml on Jan 17, 2010 10:56:37 GMT -6
I coach at a small school (200 kids) and in our conference we play 11 man varsity and 8 man JV football. How do you keep continuity then?
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Post by coachorr on Jan 17, 2010 11:21:10 GMT -6
Sometimes we struggle to be a TF Spread/Gun system, when there is no QB or center who can gun snap it. Moreover, it is the first year they use the full sized football. With that being said, we still use the same terminology, however, at times will go under center and run lead, belly, power and counter.
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