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Post by groundchuck on Dec 24, 2009 21:18:01 GMT -6
June Jones has been at the helm for two huge "FBS" turnarounds. Hawaii and now SMU.
What is "it" that Jones brings to a program? You cannot answer the run and shoot system. Sure it is a part of his program but what intangibles does he bring that lead to these turnarounds?
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Post by coachdubyah on Dec 24, 2009 21:55:50 GMT -6
He has a way with CONFIDENCE. You can just tell by the way he is on the sidelines. He just expects to win. It is not my personality, but I love how laid back he is. You never see him raise his voice. A lot of kids will respond to that. Especially in game situations. If you're not worried, they arent either. But to me the key is just confidence.
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Post by bigdog2003 on Dec 25, 2009 12:02:46 GMT -6
I think he just has a way about him that gets everyone to buy in to what he is doing. The belief that his teams can win spreads like the plague.
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Post by blb on Dec 25, 2009 12:15:38 GMT -6
Every successful head coach has "it" - whatever it is.
Many guys are great assistants, coordinators even, but lack that quality to be successful running own program.
And Xs and Os is only a small part of "it."
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Post by NC1974 on Dec 25, 2009 12:31:25 GMT -6
I think another thing is he has his "process of teaching" down pat. I rember reading in a clinic article how precise and anal he is about teaching the offense to his assistant coaches and then to the players. I know all coaches are detail oriented, but I got the feeling that he is a cut above. I think that he learned this from Bill Walsh, but not sure about that.
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Post by coachguy83 on Dec 25, 2009 15:40:11 GMT -6
I think the thing that sets June Jones apart is the same thing that sets Mike Leach apart. He can walk into a program that doesn't get the best talent and make them the best. He takes good players that other school passed on for whatever reason and teaches his system so well that they can succeed. I think that is the reason that come draft time you always here the same arguments about QBs that play for the two coaches, they put up hugh numbers and are great QBs in there system, but people always question whether or not they are great QBs.
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Post by khalfie on Dec 25, 2009 16:06:22 GMT -6
I think its the name....
You know how tough it had to be, to go through life named June? The character he developed, the confidence, persistence...
I'm thinking about changing my oldest boys name to Salley!
I'm not sayin'... I'm just sayin!
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Dec 25, 2009 18:08:05 GMT -6
Sorry Khafie, but Johnny Cash has you beat on that one. Remember "Boy named Sue" from the 60's?
OJW
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Post by jg08mhs on Dec 25, 2009 22:39:34 GMT -6
The name seemed to work for a certain Nebraska defensive tackle
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 26, 2009 10:34:57 GMT -6
It is his system. It's his knowledge of details and how to make it work with any kind of talent and correct it.
The same with Paul Johnson.
They know how to teach it, correct it, and what other teams can do to stop it.
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Post by blb on Dec 26, 2009 10:43:43 GMT -6
It is his system. It's his knowledge of details and how to make it work with any kind of talent and correct it. The same with Paul Johnson. They know how to teach it, correct it, and what other teams can do to stop it. Agree whole-heartedly whip, but I think it's something more too - call it innate leadership skills, force of personality, drive - I don't know. But those are two good examples of guys who have "it." I really respect guys who win at places that are not considered big-name "football schools." As someone once said about The Bear, "He can take his'n and beat your'n, and he can take your'n and whip his'n."
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Post by khalfie on Dec 26, 2009 10:46:07 GMT -6
It is his system. It's his knowledge of details and how to make it work with any kind of talent and correct it. The same with Paul Johnson. They know how to teach it, correct it, and what other teams can do to stop it. I'd agree with the aforementioned, but would add... Coaches like June Jones, Paul Johnson, and Bobby Knight... know their stuff a lot better than most coaches know theirs... Which means, all things being equal, they'll beat most coaches most of the time. However, all things are never equal, and therefore, talent may rule the day, the ball may just bounce funny, or the fact that these are still kids that play the game... So in short, I think its situations like these, that the importance of coaching, really shines through.
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Post by airtrafficcontrol on Dec 26, 2009 14:02:32 GMT -6
It's WR coach jeff rheinbold,the guy is a legend here in Europe and even the tv pundits are jumping on his bandwagon,watch the job offers he gets in the next few weeks.
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Post by kopep on Dec 26, 2009 14:34:09 GMT -6
"I think the thing that sets June Jones apart is the same thing that sets Mike Leach apart. He can walk into a program that doesn't get the best talent and make them the best. He takes good players that other school passed on for whatever reason and teaches his system so well that they can succeed. I think that is the reason that come draft time you always here the same arguments about QBs that play for the two coaches, they put up hugh numbers and are great QBs in there system, but people always question whether or not they are great QBs."
This is a great quote about qb play. What makes a good qb? Is it a guy who is smart and wins or a guy who can throw a ball 60 yds off his knees?
I guess the latter seems pretty enticing but what people like June Jones and Mike Leach have figured out is many of the measurables that people salivate over really do not matter for the system of football they play.
Has anyone read Moneyball? The A's are a great example that throws the atypical stereotype of what a baseball player should look like and they consistently win with a small team salary.
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Post by 42falcon on Dec 26, 2009 16:53:25 GMT -6
Guys like him are interesting Mike Leach is the same way they have something some inate quality that enables them to lead and gives others a reason to follow. Players sense this or buy into it this is the big thing sure the systems are different, the people are weird (leach for sure not sure about JJ) but the players all buy in. Not sure what it is but they buy it. Any one knows JJ's personality is he like Leach?
The whole thing about seeing value in something others don't is also critical. How often do we hear or even say "can't coach size or can't coach speed" this is true but I have also come to learn "I can't fix stupid"
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Post by futureazcoach on Dec 26, 2009 17:08:09 GMT -6
to me the best part of jones is what i heard in an interview i found on youtube. Jones talks about it is selling the "philosophy" of the system to the kids. If its fourth and six inches or fourth and 12 we are going to run our same routes. Actually pass not run. And its getting the kids to buy into that.
But to me the part that should be considered the "it" factor to me is selling the kids to make them believe what they are doing is the best and most important way of doing things. Look at what everyone talks about lombardi, that they would talk about his one play and everyone knew they would run it. Same thing with GA tech and Johnson, McCartney at Colorado in 80/90's. They sold the things that htey were going to do. Getting the kids to "buy" into it. TO me that is the it factor.
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Post by morris on Dec 26, 2009 19:13:28 GMT -6
No one's personality is like Leach. He is just one strange man. Very Very intelligent but strange. I do know one of the main things they both look for in their QBs is accuracy. Jones has a very calm confidence to him. Watch and listen to him and you can just tell. When they come out on the short end of the score I think they honestly just believe they did not execute the way they should.
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Post by hemlock on Dec 27, 2009 8:25:01 GMT -6
Everything here is correct, but you cannot overlook the system he teaches. Like Johnson, he knows how to teach his system. That is where the confidence comes from. He understands everything about what it is that he does and nothing surprises him. That is the beauty running a system like the Run-N-Shoot, the AirRaid, or the Triple Option. You are more focused on what YOU do and less on what THEY do. This feeds down in practice. Players see that nothing during the week changes; there are no radical shifts in gameplans; in fact, there really never is a "game" plan that is presented to the players. Sure, the staff thinks things through, but the players will practice the same things everyday. Nothing new is really introduced over the course of the season. Sure, there are some tweaks and adjustments, but they all are part of the system. If you're a player that has to be very calming and reassuring.
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