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Post by bigm0073 on Dec 18, 2009 6:55:11 GMT -6
Kind of a way to piggy back off of the threads about parents... Something I did this year that has helped is to have film sessions at the end of the season.
Our Season ended the weekend before Thanksgiving... Every Tuesday Night in the Month of December I have brought in parents to watch two game tapes. I give them the preliminary game plan and I even go over questions on the board. Then we watch the game and I go through our calls, whys.. so forth.
I have a very good parents. Our school is located in Northern VA right outside Quantico Marine Base... Most of my players have had parents who were or are still MArines... Many are currently officers and high ranking.
The fathers (and some mothers) have appreciated that I took the time to watch the tape with them, explain our system (I held a parent clinic in August). With the season over - the parents are less emotional and I am less emotional.
Again these sessions have been fantastic and the parents have learned a lot and have enjoyed them.
Now are there still disgruntled parents who do not agree with me... Sure. But I deal less with the BS because of my ability to communicate with them.
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Post by n41rudy on Dec 18, 2009 7:01:50 GMT -6
Try this... a coach near us has an assistant run a film review session on Monday nights similar to the one described above. The catch was, they change $2 per person and make it a fundraiser for the program. I always found that to be intriguing concept.
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Post by bigm0073 on Dec 18, 2009 7:41:31 GMT -6
Our parents are very involved and have helped us to raise a TON of money over the past two years..
I do these film sessoins and clinics to help out our parents. It is a way for them to be a part of the program.
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 18, 2009 7:49:14 GMT -6
Very Interesting...How many parents attended....Do the same parents show up each week or is it different every week..Do you provide refreshments or anything like that?
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Post by bigm0073 on Dec 18, 2009 8:15:41 GMT -6
No refreshments...
Basically the same group of parents... Around 6-10 a session...
It is open to all though.
The parents know the opportunity is there.
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Post by doc23 on Dec 18, 2009 8:53:16 GMT -6
bigm0073,
I have thought about this as an idea before also. Great work.
During the film, do you watch it as if you are watching it with your players? Rewinding and going over missed assignments, technique issues, or do you just roll through the tape and explain series adjustments? How technical do these session get? I am very interested in doing this, but do not want to open criticism of other players for missed assignment etc. I can just see Johny QB's dad ripping an O lineman for a missed blitz pick up or something...
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Post by utchuckd on Dec 18, 2009 8:59:21 GMT -6
I have always thought this would be a good idea. I would like to do a 'Football 101' in the preseason, and do a booster film session during the season.
There's an old thread here from somebody who does/did the Monday nite film session with parents. They said they keep it moving and mostly only point out the good plays and praise the players. Said you can really see the OL dad's chests puff out when you get to point out a good block that sprang a big run and everybody gets to see it.
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Post by bigm0073 on Dec 18, 2009 9:04:54 GMT -6
The film sessions are a little quicker then maybe Monday but similar type of concept...
Good, bad and the ugly...
Go through why some plays work and others do not... I do avoid throwing kids under the bus and really praise the play of kids who have parents in attendance.
But I do go over the mistakes, game planning decisions and why/how stuff too...
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Post by utchuckd on Dec 18, 2009 9:08:12 GMT -6
The film sessions are a little quicker then maybe Monday but similar type of concept... Good, bad and the ugly... Go through why some plays work and others do not... I do avoid throwing kids under the bus and really praise the play of kids who have parents in attendance. But I do go over the mistakes, game planning decisions and why/how stuff too... I like it coach. I can see where a post season film can get more detailed than an in season review. |
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Post by bigm0073 on Dec 18, 2009 9:18:43 GMT -6
Plus the EMOTIONAL Part is gone...
Lets face it - While we are in-season a Monday session could get a little emotional...
I am sure parents would just want to come to complain about me and the play calling... It would probably not be very good...
Now that the season is over and the emotions have subsided you can get into this and it can be more productive.
Plus I can step back and be less standoffish too...
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Post by fbcoach74 on Dec 18, 2009 11:32:33 GMT -6
to those who run it in season, how do the parents handle it. Do you remove any parents that get out of hand. The reason I ask, is I have thought this is a great idea, however, we do not have great fan or parent support and i can see some parents get out of hand with it.
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Post by phantom on Dec 18, 2009 11:43:50 GMT -6
Kind of a way to piggy back off of the threads about parents... Something I did this year that has helped is to have film sessions at the end of the season. Our Season ended the weekend before Thanksgiving... Every Tuesday Night in the Month of December I have brought in parents to watch two game tapes. I give them the preliminary game plan and I even go over questions on the board. Then we watch the game and I go through our calls, whys.. so forth. I have a very good parents. Our school is located in Northern VA right outside Quantico Marine Base... Most of my players have had parents who were or are still MArines... Many are currently officers and high ranking. The fathers (and some mothers) have appreciated that I took the time to watch the tape with them, explain our system (I held a parent clinic in August). With the season over - the parents are less emotional and I am less emotional. Again these sessions have been fantastic and the parents have learned a lot and have enjoyed them. Now are there still disgruntled parents who do not agree with me... Sure. But I deal less with the BS because of my ability to communicate with them. Great idea. The school where I played did that but you had to be a member of the booster club to attend. |
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Post by bigm0073 on Dec 18, 2009 11:54:46 GMT -6
Yes,
THey have to be a TD Club member to attend (Most of our parents our...). This stops any riff-raff... Some other annoying parent who has a kid not on the team.. Or someone else...
For me two reasons I do not want to do it in-season.
1. What I stated above - Emotions are HIGH... Go back and think about some of your really tough losses... Close games or blowouts... Do you really want to address the parents after that? I know I do not want to...
2. Monday Nights - I am still watching tape, grading practice, finishing up the game plan. I just do not have time during the season to do it.
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Post by bobdoc78 on Dec 19, 2009 13:56:08 GMT -6
My coach did this in the 70s. It was an oppurutnity for dads to rip him. How about a preason practice where you bring dads on the field and show them what you do. The purpose behind plays.
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Post by seagull73 on Dec 19, 2009 14:55:22 GMT -6
Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are talking about but this sounds like a nightmare. I don't fell an obligation to explain x's & o's or my decision making process with parents. I think this gives parents the idea that they are involved with the decision making process & in my program they are not.
I have enough "coaches" in the stands bi+ch1ng during the game, I don't need them during the week. I had parents complaining about offensive play calling while we were scoring 58 in a play-off game.
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Post by phantom on Dec 19, 2009 15:37:08 GMT -6
Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are talking about but this sounds like a nightmare. I don't fell an obligation to explain x's & o's or my decision making process with parents. I think this gives parents the idea that they are involved with the decision making process & in my program they are not. I have enough "coaches" in the stands bi+ch1ng during the game, I don't need them during the week. I had parents complaining about offensive play calling while we were scoring 58 in a play-off game. This is strictly my opnion but I don't have a problem with having my calls questioned. If I can't defend them then maybe I was just spitballing in the first place. If it was a bad call, hey, it was a bad call, I don't mind admitting it. Question me all you want. It'll only make me better. |
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Post by seagull73 on Dec 19, 2009 15:39:55 GMT -6
Question me all you want but I'm not going to provide a forum for you or take time away from my prep for the next game to hold a bi+ch session.
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Post by jackedup on Dec 19, 2009 16:15:30 GMT -6
Most of these guys are saying that they hold these sessions after the season is over. I agree that during the season would be logistical nightmare when you're trying to game plan. But after season is a great time.
I also think it could be helpful because parents will get an upclose look at their son and maybe answer the question of "why isn't johnny getting division 1 looks?" They can see it themselves.
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Post by coachorr on Dec 19, 2009 17:06:24 GMT -6
It might help with the "playing time" issue.
"Here we see little Johnny getting run over by the fullback".
Next play
"And, now if you look closely you can see Johnny standing next to me on the sideline and now billy is in."
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Post by bigm0073 on Dec 19, 2009 19:01:22 GMT -6
Sea Gull 73,
If you go back you will read I hold these sessions in December when our season is over. During the season there is not enough time with game planning plus emotions are (I hit on that in prior posts...).
I agree with Phantom - I am not perfect and I am by no means Bill Walsh or Urban Meyers...Hey I make calls all the time parents can question. Heck this comes with the territory. In my opinion if you do not like to be criticize then go and coach football at a school where it is not important or retire...
The sessions have been great so far. The parents who (mostly fathers and most played high school ball...) have really enjoyed them and they appreciate I take the time to do this. I always have prided myself in being a GREAT communicator when dealing with parents. I think it has helped with the success I have had with my programs.
Again the fathers are mostly marines or reitired marines or officers (I live in Northern VA - Quantico). They get the whole chain of command thing and have been nothing but respecful at these meetings.
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Post by jrarick on Dec 19, 2009 19:55:34 GMT -6
I hadn't thought about this for a very long time - my coach did it with our team back in the ealrly 70's. But he only did it on Monday's after an away game. Our league was pretty spread out and it was a nice touch. He was not, if I really remember correctly - someone that ANYONE questioned ever! So it worked for him. Jack Rarick Holt Football www.coachsvideoassistant.com |
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 19, 2009 22:50:22 GMT -6
Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are talking about but this sounds like a nightmare. I don't fell an obligation to explain x's & o's or my decision making process with parents. I think this gives parents the idea that they are involved with the decision making process & in my program they are not. I have enough "coaches" in the stands bi+ch1ng during the game, I don't need them during the week. I had parents complaining about offensive play calling while we were scoring 58 in a play-off game. As others have said, this has been discussed as an off-season event. Also, couldn't one say that being able to explain your decision making process/ x's&o's would be a valuable exercise as well as SUPPRESSING incidences of complaining during a 58 point run. Remember, most detractors (read: idiot "fans") view football playcalling as what I like to call a binary operation. Only two possible choices. If you called a run and it doesn't work, then obviously you should have called a pass. If you tried passing and it didnt work, then you obviously should have called a run. Using an event like this could show those detractors that a great deal of thought goes into the playcall...and it isn't just monkey's slinging feces... |
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Post by kylem56 on Dec 19, 2009 23:35:34 GMT -6
My alma mater does something like this but during the season. Usually Tuesday night for an hour. The HC and an assistant show some of the game film from the previous game, usually just some bits here and there to explain some coaching points or "good job jimmy" comments. The exact how much depends on how the game went. Definently don't want to go through a whole film if you got your asses kicked). They then show about 10-15 minutes worth of film of the next team they are playing to share some thoughts on the game. You must be a member of the Touchdown Club to get in. They charge 25.00 in member dues a year and hold a 50/50 raffle every time as well. The do this at a local sports bar so the restuarant makes out as well from food orders. I have been to a couple of them and I havent ever seen a parent who took it at a chance to bitch about what they dont like about the last game or whatever because usually those types would rather go on a message board or wait till the coaches leave to complain rather then come up and say the same things to the coaches face.
I don't know if I could do it once the season is over because by then Im already exhausted from the grind
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Post by utchuckd on Dec 20, 2009 8:14:23 GMT -6
I've heard other coaches talk about how the peer pressure in the group will keep most of the bitching and complaining down. Plus, as was said earlier, most of those people won't do it face to face anyway, especially in public. Also, knowledge is power. If you educate them why we did what we did, unless they are blind (i.e.- if their kid is involved) at some point they will be able to see that this play should have worked in that situation if Tommy didn't whiff on that block, without you having to throw Tommy under the bus in front of everybody. Again, I don't think you show the whole game, just hit the high points. I also like previewing the next opponent. Show a few clips, what we're looking for, preliminary gameplan.
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Post by davecisar on Dec 23, 2009 19:50:50 GMT -6
Youth level coach-
We use watchgamefilm now and we upload our film with comments on it, very detailed comments and then additional comments directed by position
Any play that doesnt work, the why it didnt work will always be evident per the comments. When we blow a play on defense, same thing. We never identify a player by name, just by position, kids numbers are evident, so people can make their own conclusions. We also have lots of positive comments as well, helps with maybe some that may be a bit confused by our play time allocation.
The player and parent can view it at home or office at their convenience and we dont have to waste any time with them. We are doing it for the kids anyways. Have had several parents say thanks and "we are working on little Jimmys seal block on the 16 Power, and letting him know how important it is", stuff like that. Seems to be working a bit for us anyways.
We also dont need parents to waste time videoing, we do it for them and they get next day access to every game, cut, with comments. They seem to like that, hard watching the game when you are videoing the darn thing.
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Post by mkopachy on Dec 29, 2009 11:39:58 GMT -6
I don't allow this to be a b*tch session. I start with a narrative of the game and my gameplan and preview the upcoming week's game (I also give an injury report) and I just simply run the film. I don't pause or rewind. They come and watch. I interject where need be and I tell them before the season that it will not be a b*tch session or i wont have it anymore. They seem very appreciative.
I also do a football 101 with the moms and they freaking love it. They do some indy drills on o and d and then we take them through a few plays. AWESOME FUNNY STUFF
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Post by rocket1 on Jan 3, 2010 9:20:17 GMT -6
It might help with the "playing time" issue. "Here we see little Johnny getting run over by the fullback". Next play "And, now if you look closely you can see Johnny standing next to me on the sideline and now billy is in." I did this several years ago, and it went really well. We set the ground rules ahead of time and didn't have a gripe session at all. However, when most parents saw their little one on film, playing well or not so well, they had a new understanding of things. They had never seen a game film in the detail we put out there. Most were finally able to see their son the way our coaches saw them. We definitely point out mistakes and lack of effort. I was surprised at the number of parents that actually apologized to me about the way their son played. |
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