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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 15, 2009 9:28:06 GMT -6
What kinds of cuts are you experiencing? I just wanted to get a little perspective on what programs and districts are going through right now. Here is what we have right now...
1) $50 fee to play per kid 2) significant reduction in the budget 3) 8th grade program possibly being cut
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Post by olinecoach61 on Dec 15, 2009 9:33:07 GMT -6
We lost all of our funding last year. Each player had to pay $500 to play.
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Post by superpower on Dec 15, 2009 9:39:40 GMT -6
We lost all of our funding last year. Each player had to pay $500 to play. Wow! What state are you in? Is that for high school, middle school, or both? How did that fee affect your participation numbers? Do the kids get socks and shoes with that fee, or do they have to provide their own? A fee like that would kill our program.
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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 15, 2009 10:01:41 GMT -6
We lost all of our funding last year. Each player had to pay $500 to play. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Did they cut all the other sports and the fine arts budgeting as well?
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Post by hsrose on Dec 15, 2009 11:00:43 GMT -6
Not sure what bugets you guys are talking about. The only funding we received from the school/district is the stipends for the coaches which comes from a $50 pay-to-play fee that goes to the district. We receive $2,500 for helmets and shoulder pads each year from the school. Other than that we are totally self-funded and are still expected to pay for the rest of the athletic program through the gate from the games - we don't get any of that.
So, cutting the budgets doesn't affect us much here as we don't have one.
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Post by hlb2 on Dec 15, 2009 12:58:03 GMT -6
In 2008 we went from 8 paid coaching positions down to 6, and they are talking about taking 1 more this season.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Dec 15, 2009 13:07:05 GMT -6
We lost all of our funding last year. Each player had to pay $500 to play. Wow! What state are you in? Is that for high school, middle school, or both? How did that fee affect your participation numbers? Do the kids get socks and shoes with that fee, or do they have to provide their own? A fee like that would kill our program. We are in CT, VArsity and JV football. They also cut Cheerleading and Lacrosse. All the kids get for their fee is the basic equipment. They provide their own socks, shoes, chinstraps (if they want nice ones, etc.
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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 15, 2009 13:08:13 GMT -6
Not sure what bugets you guys are talking about. The only funding we received from the school/district is the stipends for the coaches which comes from a $50 pay-to-play fee that goes to the district. We receive $2,500 for helmets and shoulder pads each year from the school. Other than that we are totally self-funded and are still expected to pay for the rest of the athletic program through the gate from the games - we don't get any of that. So, cutting the budgets doesn't affect us much here as we don't have one. You guys don't have a football budget besides the 2500 to buy equipment, etc? WOW. You guys must do a hell of a lot of fundraising.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Dec 15, 2009 13:09:06 GMT -6
We lost 3 - 4 players that we know of, including a 2 way starter. There's no way of knowing about what new players we lost who couldn't come out to even try. They had to pay before they would be issued equpment.
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 15, 2009 13:21:52 GMT -6
Zero funding for any sports in our district. HC got a 2/3 stipend of $2000, OC and myself got 1/2 stipend of $1500, all of which we earned in some way or another. Thank God for the somewhat wealthy area that we live in and (mostly) generous parents, I can't imagine how other places are getting by.
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Post by poweriguy on Dec 15, 2009 16:06:11 GMT -6
Not sure what bugets you guys are talking about. The only funding we received from the school/district is the stipends for the coaches which comes from a $50 pay-to-play fee that goes to the district. We receive $2,500 for helmets and shoulder pads each year from the school. Other than that we are totally self-funded and are still expected to pay for the rest of the athletic program through the gate from the games - we don't get any of that. So, cutting the budgets doesn't affect us much here as we don't have one. Yeah. pretty much where I was at last year. You don't worry about a budget, since you don't have one. Plus your district better watch out with that pay-for-play fee. That is against CA Ed code.
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 16, 2009 0:36:44 GMT -6
ZERO Athletic funding for our district... it is all self funded... They cant legally force everyone to pay... And they cant keep one school out from paying in our district... So its all or nothing, So all of our fundraising goes in to a big pool to cover everyone equally. It helps us greatly as we are a very low income school and by far the lowest income of the schools in our district
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Post by coach79 on Dec 16, 2009 2:43:28 GMT -6
Here in SW WA there is a levy that is getting put to a vote in January. If it doesn't pass then all sports programs from all schools in our district will get cut. If that happens then I will have to find a new program to coach for.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 16, 2009 8:21:01 GMT -6
Looks like all extras could be cut out in most Ohio school districts if this is all to come to pass. www.chillicothegazette.com/article/20091216/NEWS01/912160308Massive education cuts loom BY BEN FISCHER The Cincinnati Enquirer Ohio school districts are preparing for potentially devastating mid-year budget cuts as politicians remained at an impasse Tuesday. Key Republicans downplayed the likelihood of cuts, saying Democratic Gov. Ted Strickland and his allies in public education are overstating the problem and the urgency for a fix for political purposes. The state faces an $851 million deficit in its two-year budget, and Strickland said on Monday that education -- both K-12 and colleges -- was the only place left to cut if a deal isn't done by Dec. 31, alarming educators across the state. According to Strickland's office, local schools would be forced to start chopping in January if a deal doesn't develop. That would be a particularly vexing problem because 80 percent or more of education spending is locked into costs contractually guaranteed through the academic year. Also, Strickland said the cuts would make Ohio ineligible for a large chunk of federal stimulus dollars, which are contingent on minimum state spending levels. Without a federal waiver, school districts across Ohio would absorb a 10-percent cut in state funding in the current year, and 15.7 percent cut from state spending in 2010-11. With that in mind, local officials are raising the prospect of going without extracurricular activities, or delaying technology purchases. They're also reminding local voters that they'll be asked to pick up whatever funding the state drops. "These losses will be devastating for our school district," reads a letter sent to residents by Little Miami schools in Warren County. "Little Miami firmly believes that education in Ohio is worth the effort of our political leaders to be reasonable and reach a compromise." Few districts are willing to discuss details of potential mid-year budget cuts now, both because they still are being discussed privately and to avoid alarming employees and parents. If schools are forced to make mid-year budget corrections to balance the current year's budget, their options will be limited. More disastrous, they say, would be next year's budget planning -- when the layoffs would likely start. Teacher and administrators generally are guaranteed a paycheck through the end of the school year, so they can't be laid off. Utility bills, contracts with vendors and debt service also can't be cut without violating contracts. That leaves only a small part of the budget that's truly discretionary, said Cincinnati Public Schools Treasurer Jonathan Boyd -- delaying one-off projects, delaying a planned upgrade in technology, for instance. Republicans say the educators' campaign is misplaced, because enough of them in the Senate have agreed to Strickland's solution -- delaying a planned income tax cut -- in exchange for reforms in prison and construction laws, which they say will save money in the long term. "They're hearing one side of the story," said Sen. Tom Neihaus, R-New Richmond. "What I'm trying to convey to them is there's another side of the story that will prevent cuts to public education." Also, Sen. Bill Seitz, R-Green Township, wrote to a concerned educator that he had been "fed a worst-case scenario," according to an e-mail made available to The Cincinnati Enquirer. The loss of federal funds is not a certainty, he said, and solutions can still come after Dec. 31 -- just not Strickland's plan. "All that being said, I agree with you that if both sides would work together -- rather than being told by the Governor and the House (and their various allies who seek only to receive money from whatever source derived) that it must be his way or the highway, we could probably get this solved," Seitz wrote. Cincinnati Public Schools Treasurer Jonathan Boyd said he thinks this budget dispute will end with a deal, and he's not spending too much of his time, or his staff's time, in preparing for a what-if that might never come. "If it were to happen, the citizenry's going to be angry, and they're going to want to hold people accountable," Boyd said. Enquirer reporters Denise Smith Amos and Michael D. Clark contributed.
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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 16, 2009 8:56:47 GMT -6
Here in SW WA there is a levy that is getting put to a vote in January. If it doesn't pass then all sports programs from all schools in our district will get cut. If that happens then I will have to find a new program to coach for. So will kids in your district be able to go and play for another school?
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Post by hsrose on Dec 16, 2009 10:25:53 GMT -6
emptybackfield - Yes, yes we do. Sell our own discount cards, beg-a-thons, a deal with the 49ers as an outlet to market their games, dinner out, breakfast out, car washes, anything to bring in a buck. All kinds of stuff.
I took over the program with a $9k debt from the previous coach so I was supposed to pay back $4.5 but could only manage $2. Throw fundraising in on top of trying to organize the team and the HC becomes the GM. The boosters are general athletics, not football specific. They will generally help out but it has to be on forms and signed and counter-signed and presented twice to get approval.
[side note: I was let go last week after 7 months because the AD wanted someone on-campus. So, to paraphrase Simba in the Lion King, this is no longer my concern.]
This is one of the reasons that I think that HS club football could be successful. The only thing thing that we're not doing, club-wise, is the initial startup investment and facilities (which can be rented). I always kind of envied the programs that had money, but the good side is that there are no more cuts possible. Cut the coaches stipends but that comes from the $50 pay-to-play so that would go away as well.
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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 16, 2009 12:24:03 GMT -6
ihsrose,
That's crazy man. I have a brand new perspective on everything now. I won't be b*tching about doing one fundraiser a year anymore.
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Post by superpower on Dec 16, 2009 12:52:06 GMT -6
I found out today that there are no fewer than 7 school districts in Kansas who had to ask the state for special funds just to meet payroll this month.
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