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Post by brophy on Dec 7, 2009 9:43:00 GMT -6
....But, the QBs were holding the ball too long......The HC /OC was getting on me about it, I kept my mouth shut and coached the OL on the sidelines. I'm not critiquing you or this action, but how did this help the T-E-A-M? Because of emotion (frustrated yelling turns the Oline into the scapegoat), we ignored the root cause of the issue which would've had led to addressing the weak link in performance? Which probably goes back to spreadattack's point above.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 7, 2009 12:18:11 GMT -6
....But, the QBs were holding the ball too long......The HC /OC was getting on me about it, I kept my mouth shut and coached the OL on the sidelines. I'm not critiquing you or this action, but how did this help the T-E-A-M? Because of emotion (frustrated yelling turns the Oline into the scapegoat), we ignored the root cause of the issue which would've had led to addressing the weak link in performance? Which probably goes back to spreadattack's point above. It wasn't the best situation, but I kept a thick-skin about it. I don't know that it helped the team to get frustrated about it during a game, but I did what I perceived as my job, which was to correct the OL as best I could. The Ol did turn into the scapegoat, at least for the rest of the game, but I did my best to limit that, or at least that perception. But, even before I sat down with them on the sideline, they kept doing the job that they'd been doing, the QB calmed down a bit and completed some good passes. So, it sorted itself out in that aspect. The problem didn't really resolve itself until we sat down and talked about it, after the game. It was a tough conversation, but the fact that I was hollered at didn't come into play; it was all about how we needed to fix the 3 step drop game. Do we need to cut the DL? Do we need to kick step in the protection? What kind of time do you expect on a 3 step drop? It didn't get really heated until the QBs' performance came into question. I, personally, don't like being called out in front of the players, but I don't get angry about it or shoot back. It's a big deal to me in some aspects, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not detrimental to me or the players that I coach.I feel that they do have enough respect and faith in me to shake it off and keep going. Some of that gets back to the way I coach; they see me getting hollered at, but I sit down with them and coach them calmly and positively, so essentially, the intense emotion stops with me. And, I do understand that there are coaches out there that will get intense and call assistants out, but I don't do so. For one thing, I feel that if the emotion of the game is affecting me that much, I need to take a step back because it will affect my style of coaching. I will chat with assistants at half time (like my soph DL coach this year) and talk about what I'm seeing, what they're seeing and what we can do to fix it.
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CLuttrell
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OCHS Titians new assistant coach
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Post by CLuttrell on Dec 7, 2009 12:32:01 GMT -6
If the head coach has to chew the @ss of one of his assistants because the job isn't being done on the field, then the head coach has every right to do it.
Hey, he's ripping into another adult who is a leader of the young men. I prefer this to the head coach tearing into the kids.
One of the head coach's jobs is to coach the coaches. Thats how I see this. Coaching up coaches.
CL
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coachbigelow
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Coach at Southern Virginia University
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Post by coachbigelow on Dec 7, 2009 15:22:50 GMT -6
Our head coach has made it very clear to us on the sidelines to not lose our calm during the game. His point is if you panic, then the players panic and nothing works well. During games he has told coaches to stop yelling because they are making the players panic. One of our halftime meeting as coaches that was the only thing we talked about, to keep your composure on the sideline.
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Post by Rooster on Dec 8, 2009 8:31:30 GMT -6
Saw a game of GT earlier in the year and they were not doing to well. It showed a closeup of Johnson on the sidelines getting ready to tell a play to a kids ear and all of the sudden he turns his head and holds his microphone closer to his mouth and yells " shut your F@#$@#G mouth you stupid F@#$#R" Then went back to the kid.
I have a DVR and I kept rewinding it and reading his lips to make sure... You couldnt really hear it but you sure could see it.
I guess the guy upstairs wouldnt shut up.
Rooster
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cls
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Post by cls on Dec 8, 2009 15:54:23 GMT -6
EVERYONE gets yelled out...everyone..why would coaches be any different...I would rather have a coach yell at me then the kids...unless effort is being questioned...If the kids aren't getting it done it is one of two things 1) The other guy is better 2) He wasn't taught correctly....I'm not sure who to give credit for this quote because I've heard many coaches say it..."You see what you coach" Nothing is more true or humbling...No coach is perfect take your ass ripping and get the problem solved...Trust me on this one, you rather get your feelings hurt and win then everyone keep quite and lose...Just my thoughts
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Post by coach4life on Dec 8, 2009 17:19:09 GMT -6
My HC will definitely let you know if you are screwing up and he holds me and the rest of the staff to a very high standard. I wouldn't have it any other way. If it needs to be said during the game, then he's going to let it rip. It's not personal, its all about winning and we understand that because of the coach that he is. We all respect him and I don't think there are very many staffs that are as loyal as we are. What I really like is how he rips us in practice to motivate the players. Occasionally, when the players screw something up, he will rip me or one of the other assistants about something that he KNOWS we have been coaching. IE - "Holy crap, coach do you mean to tell me that you can't make these guys understand that they have to check their inside gap first before........!" I usually say,"I'll work harder on that, coach." Well, the kids know they are supposed to do that and thankfully they respond to it. Some of the others will get on the kid in question to get him to tighten up. They do laugh about it with me later,though. Now, if coach calls me aside during a water break to rip me, he'll say, "Coach Redfish, let me ask you a question." Then I know I'm about to get blistered. Bill Walsh used to do that, I think it was Sam Wyche who related the story about Walsh doing the exact thing to him in practice, knowing it would flow down to the players. Tricky one, this. It is personality, it is context (e.g., 80,000 screaming fans in your ear), it is particular situations (as cited above, I saw this in 3 step, you saw that, we worked it out later). We're all human, we're going to react under the pressure and adrenaline. The one thing I've learned that covers this best is to never go off without having thought through the ramifications beforehand. As a header (or really any kind of leader) the number one job is to develop men and their ability to get the job done, be they a player or a coach. If it helps a kid or a coach perform better, if it shores up a team weakness that can be corrected, or it will hep the team get better, it is appropriate. At Coach Bo's level there is a whole lot more involved (e.g. paying the mortgage), as it may be for you, but in general it doesn't fit the above criteria (or something related to it) you'd need to ask yourself if your behavior was appropriate. The only one who can really answer that question is you...
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Post by coachcb on Dec 9, 2009 12:44:10 GMT -6
Our head coach has made it very clear to us on the sidelines to not lose our calm during the game. His point is if you panic, then the players panic and nothing works well. During games he has told coaches to stop yelling because they are making the players panic. One of our halftime meeting as coaches that was the only thing we talked about, to keep your composure on the sideline. This has always been my personal stance, I understand when although coaches have different ideas on it. For example, we played a spread team this year that ran a no huddle, up tempo passing attack. It caught us way off guard; they went down the field and scored. Everyone was up in arms on the sidelines and people were getting frustrated. The HC walked up to me and said calmly, 'We're a zone blitzing defense, we're good at it, don't hit the panic button, do what we do well.' So, we did, we just made sure that we disguised everything we did better. We still lost the game, but we played better and we dropped 4 picks. But, the HC was calm in a tough situation and it kept me calm. I try not to allow myself to get overly frustrated on the sidelines. If it comes out and I start hollering, then I am essentially coaching in the opposite manner that I have all week.
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