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Post by airraider on Nov 25, 2009 10:31:54 GMT -6
I just noticed that Tony Franklin has helped lead Middle Tennessee State to a decent 8-3 record.
He has also produced a QB who has passed for 2500 yards and rushed for over 800.
I just wonder what he could have done with more talent and more control..
LSU??? I think I might would be a fan of LSU for a change if they brought him in.. lol
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 25, 2009 11:12:55 GMT -6
I saw a clinic video where Franklin talked about something interesting. the topic was gameplanning and he sounded bitter about it, but they were decent lessons. He said you try to divvy up assignments but "you have to keep very tight control over them."
His example was you ask the OL coach to help you find the 2 or 3 run plays for 3rd and short, for example. Without naming names, he said he'd come back and it was 3-5 plays that weren't even in the offense at all, but was from some other offense. He kind of paused and finally said, "I had a lot of that at my last job." Then moved on.
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Post by hemlock on Nov 25, 2009 17:56:36 GMT -6
Even if Franklin went to LSU it would'nt matter much. Les Miles has a very fine offensive coordinator right now - Gary Crowton. Miles is a bit like Gene Stallings, of whom it was said that only he could stop a Homer Smith offense. The joke of this is that Smith was Stallings OC at Alabama. This applies to Miles as well.
Franklin has done a great job, as I expected, at MTSU. I would be bitter if I were him too. He had a shot at the big time at Auburn and was sabotaged by his own staff. What should be noted about his current work is that his QB was a disaster last year for MTSU. Tony's abrasive, but he's a fine, fine coach, but one whose personality will prevent him from probably landing another high profile gig.
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Post by airraider on Nov 25, 2009 18:16:40 GMT -6
Even if Franklin went to LSU it would'nt matter much. Les Miles has a very fine offensive coordinator right now - Gary Crowton. Miles is a bit like Gene Stallings, of whom it was said that only he could stop a Homer Smith offense. The joke of this is that Smith was Stallings OC at Alabama. This applies to Miles as well. Franklin has done a great job, as I expected, at MTSU. I would be bitter if I were him too. He had a shot at the big time at Auburn and was sabotaged by his own staff. What should be noted about his current work is that his QB was a disaster last year for MTSU. Tony's abrasive, but he's a fine, fine coach, but one whose personality will prevent him from probably landing another high profile gig. The problem with Crowton.. he is a pass first guy in a run first program.. LSU tries to be a spread team.. but really has lacked a QB over the past couple of years.. sure Jefferson is better then what they had.. but they have yet to give him the needed slack to just be a gun slinger.. Now, back when Crowton was at La Tech.. that was a sweet show.. |
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Post by dhatt14 on Nov 25, 2009 19:16:45 GMT -6
Hemlock is right in that Tony Franklin is abrasive but I certainly hope he can get a real chance with the big boys. He is an excellent teacher and student of the passing game. I know he regrets going to Auburn, now knowing what he was going up against.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 26, 2009 11:08:27 GMT -6
IMO Franklin needs to be an HC, not an OC under someone in a bigger program. If he jumps at the chance for another big time OC job, I imagine that he's going to have the same issues that he had at Auburn. He has an offensive system that he wants to run; a specific system. People assume that he'll jump into a bigger program and 'revamp' their passing game. From what I have heard from him, that's not what he wants to do; he wants to install the offense.
So, IMO, Franklin needs to hang around at MTSU for awhile, get the program going using his specific system and then move up from there. He should do what Paul Johnson did; move up as an HC, based on success at the lower levels.
I can understand that, as I love to run veer. If I was brought on as an OC in a program to 'revamp' the veer game, WITHIN another offense, I wouldn't be able to do it.
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Post by twp15 on Nov 26, 2009 22:09:33 GMT -6
When you mean abrasive, is it towards follow coaches, players etc. We are a 1st yr client of his. I agree with coachcb, I have heard him say he wanted to install his offense and Auburn guys did not buy in to what he wanted to do.
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Post by deejones on Nov 27, 2009 20:03:25 GMT -6
Great coach and having been exposed to his offense I think it is pretty damn good. I also think MTSU got a steal and Auburn blew it.
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 28, 2009 14:52:01 GMT -6
By saying he's abrasive it's just that he knows what he wants to do, thinks it is the best, and if you don't think so you can shove it.
Paul Johnson can be kinda like that, but the thing about PJ is he is a head coach
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Post by deaux68 on Nov 28, 2009 15:37:44 GMT -6
It's a shame about Auburn because I thought they really had a chance to be successful with Franklin there. I honestly thought that Nall and Franklin together would be a great fit.
It was bad all around though. Tuberville seemed burned out. They obviously didn't mesh as a staff. It's hard to track that down though. I know Nall had been the OC before they hired Borges. It's almost as though he had held a grudge.
It's almost like everybody at Auburn holds a grudge against Franklin and Tuberville right now.
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Post by coachdawhip on Nov 28, 2009 15:41:09 GMT -6
Can they all move on.. I've heard that the people on staff were with Tony, not others in the program.
For whatever reason he fits at MTSU and should stay there for a long time. And Auburn isn't doing 2 bad either.
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Post by Coach JR on Nov 30, 2009 11:58:30 GMT -6
Franklin, by his own admission isn't cut out for the big stage. The scrutiny (personal kind) doesn't fit him or his family. Call it cowardice, knowing your limitations, or knowing what you want, but I think Tony Franklin will be happy at a place like MTSU for a while, and may take a job as a HC in the future at a similar type situation. Right or wrong, any SEC coach that hired him at this point would be lauged out of town...too much history and baggage with 2 SEC schools. Might he get a chance in the Big 12, or Pac 10? Don't know...maybe...don't know if he even wants that. I think he's a good Xs and Os guy, and a good coach of coaches, and apparently when allowed to do his thing, a good coach of players too as evidenced by his work at Troy and MTSU...unfortunately, in some circles, and its not just limited to fans, his offense is considered a gimmick, and he's considered abrasive and poisen to a staff. Those of us that would defend him and his offense point to his success at Troy, continued success at MTSU, and his former staff's continued success at Troy, and it's dismissed out of hand as "it works at that level and in HS, but not in the SEC".
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Post by darebelcoach on Nov 30, 2009 12:23:14 GMT -6
I may sound dumb or completely out of the loop, but can someone give me some insight as to what happened with Franklin down at Auburn with him and Tuberville and why he would be laughed out of the SEC if another HC took a shot with him? Again, I apologize for not knowing the backdrop to the story
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Post by Coach JR on Nov 30, 2009 13:13:48 GMT -6
I may sound dumb or completely out of the loop, but can someone give me some insight as to what happened with Franklin down at Auburn with him and Tuberville and why he would be laughed out of the SEC if another HC took a shot with him? Again, I apologize for not knowing the backdrop to the story So as not to hijack the thread, I'll send you a PM. |
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Post by DLine06 on Nov 30, 2009 13:36:35 GMT -6
Franklin, by his own admission isn't cut out for the big stage. The scrutiny (personal kind) doesn't fit him or his family. Call it cowardice, knowing your limitations, or knowing what you want, but I think Tony Franklin will be happy at a place like MTSU for a while, and may take a job as a HC in the future at a similar type situation. Right or wrong, any SEC coach that hired him at this point would be lauged out of town...too much history and baggage with 2 SEC schools. Might he get a chance in the Big 12, or Pac 10? Don't know...maybe...don't know if he even wants that. I think he's a good Xs and Os guy, and a good coach of coaches, and apparently when allowed to do his thing, a good coach of players too as evidenced by his work at Troy and MTSU...unfortunately, in some circles, and its not just limited to fans, his offense is considered a gimmick, and he's considered abrasive and poisen to a staff. Those of us that would defend him and his offense point to his success at Troy, continued success at MTSU, and his former staff's continued success at Troy, and it's dismissed out of hand as "it works at that level and in HS, but not in the SEC". That poison to a staff bit might of been lessened off had he not wrote that book with his days with Mumme and Leach at Kentucky. |
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Post by coachcb on Nov 30, 2009 13:42:13 GMT -6
It just goes to show you; no matter how successful a program is, there will always be personality conflicts. They may be conflicts that cause a lot of issues, or smaller ones that are resolved quickly. Tony Franklin is a perfect example of this; great coach, but is very tied into his system and is an intense fellow. As such, he will have personality conflict of some kind, wherever he is at. If he wants to limit those conflicts, he should do exactly what he is doing. Stay with the smaller programs, run the things that he wants to run and let all roads lead through him.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Dec 1, 2009 3:23:10 GMT -6
I may sound dumb or completely out of the loop, but can someone give me some insight as to what happened with Franklin down at Auburn with him and Tuberville and why he would be laughed out of the SEC if another HC took a shot with him? Again, I apologize for not knowing the backdrop to the story Auburn can probably tell you a lot more info than I can, but basically Franklin was hired in as the OC against Tuberville's wishes because Auburn's most powerful booster, Bobby Lowder, wanted Auburn to run "the spread." So they fired the old OC (whose name I forget). Franklin came in with TONS of hype and the entrenched staff bristled at him immediately. Basically, nobody on the staff or team ever committed to Franklin's offense except for Franklin. Tuberville would never give him free reign to install his whole offense, so the result was this awful, grab bag mish-mash of Tuberville's preferred pro-style, power rushing attack with Franklin's spread sets and concepts. Making matters worse, the players had all been brought in for a pro-style power rushing attack and NOTHING fit together. The offense was embarrassingly bad--one of the worst in college football, even, as epitomized in a 2-0 win over Tennessee's equally pathetic attack. After 8 games, the assistants all rebelled and issued an ultimatum: either Franklin would go or they all would go. That ended his brief tenure there. Now the name "Tony Franklin" is basically a punchline among SEC fans and sports reporters. It looks like he's landed on his feet at MTSU, though. I have seen that "The System" has become red hot around Middle and Eastern Tennessee. Now administrators are insisting on TF clients for their next HCs, which is weird since the elite programs in our state have traditionally been pretty conservative and heavily ground based (we love the Pro I and Wing-T around here). TF has already had a big impact in changing the culture of HS football offense across the state. |
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Post by coachcb on Dec 1, 2009 11:10:27 GMT -6
Tony Franklin was in the same situation as Gus Malzhan at Arkansas. Their HC, at the time, Nutt, wasn't really set on bringing the guy in, nor committing to the spread passing game. However, the situation was a nightmare because the QB that Malzahn brought in with him basically mutinied; called a meeting with AD and his folks.. LOL.
I have noticed that the spread has kind of waxed and waned around here. We played a team a few years ago that was straight Air Raid and they were really tough to stop. They really set the state on fire with the offense. But, then the scheme kind of progressed into a zone read styl offense for several years. They were still successful, but they didn't chuck it around as much.
We played several spread teams this year, but only one had an emphasis on the passing game..The rest really liked to run it 'single wing' style with the QB getting a lot of carries. And, none of them really had the fast, no huddle tempo of the TF system.
But, what we see the most aren't really what I would call 'spread teams', they line up in the gun a lot, but they really were really balanced. One was a hybrid Wing-T unit that is very successful, but they are run first, pass second. Another could basically be an under-center team because they didn't really involve the QB in the run game; the TB almost always got the carries. They could have lined up under center and ran the exact same scheme.
The TF Air Raid system with the high tempo does give people fits, it makes it hard to call a game defensively. You have to disguise EVERYTHING you do; fake blitzes and coverage, disguise blitzes and coverage, etc..etc.. It's not something that's hard to do, but when they're running no huddle, it's tough to get those calls communicated in.
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Post by Coach JR on Dec 1, 2009 11:28:47 GMT -6
While Bobby Lowder most likely sent word that it was time for a change in the offense, it's unlikely he specified "the spread" or Tony Franklin. Basically (IF it happened like that, and that's speculation) it was an order to shake things up, and instead of firing the old, complacent staff, and hiring a new one, Tubs thought this would be an easy fix. Might have been too, IF he'd have made his cronies buy in and let Franklin do his thing...it's a sure bet it wouldn't have been the train wreck it turned out to be. In reality, what Tuberville wanted was Malzahn (or rather his style), and instead hired Franklin thinking he could toy with it and make it like that. Big mistake.
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Post by jw8 on Dec 1, 2009 17:47:20 GMT -6
I have been enjoying ESPN 360 on the computer. Allows you to watch games that may not have been aired in the area. It has a basic rewind/FF controls. Not like watching film but still can get some great stuff from it. MTSU and Troy have many games on there. Been watching some Navada stuff too. If you are looking at seeing MTSU and Troy this is a great way to do so.
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Post by deaux68 on Dec 2, 2009 13:41:28 GMT -6
I have seen that "The System" has become red hot around Middle and Eastern Tennessee.
The same thing happened in Alabama over a decade ago when Hoover and TF were starting their run.
I have no doubt that 60-70 percent of high schools in the state of Alabama are running some sort of Air Raid. At the least they are running some of the passing game.
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Post by airraider on Dec 21, 2009 9:00:26 GMT -6
Anyone see much Air Raid last night? I didnt get to watch the game.. only a play here or there.. and all I saw was that Monster QB running the ball..
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Post by oguru on Dec 21, 2009 11:29:11 GMT -6
I am not a TFS client. However got his 2009 videos from a member on the website and I love the vieos especially the herb hand and gunther brewer dvds. I started watching one of the TFS dvds and I noticed a couple things about tony. 1. H is a funny guy2. He knows his stuff when it comes to football 3. He is a somewhat bitter about the auburn situation. Which is unfortunate that it did not work out. It is better to let go of somethings and move on. Which I hope he does. I then noticed that we were running a lot of his passing game concepts so I was even more interested in him. I always pictured him as a "chuck and duck" guy but he is not he has a run game and it's pretty dam good as well
If I had the money I would join the TFS however it's a bit out of my price range,as I am totally interested in his passing game and the nascar system.
I didn't watch the whole game last night who ended up winning it SMU,or MTSU
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Post by ccox16 on Dec 21, 2009 11:58:44 GMT -6
MTSU
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Post by adw30 on Dec 21, 2009 13:48:11 GMT -6
Anyone see much Air Raid last night? I didnt get to watch the game.. only a play here or there.. and all I saw was that Monster QB running the ball.. They ran a few of the staples (Y stick from trips, mesh from a bunch look, etc), but it was mostly the quarterback Dasher making plays with his legs (200 plus yards rushing) and a heavy use of screens. As mentioned previously ESPN360.com has 11 MTSU games from this past season archived.. Many of the big plays they get in the passing game is a result of Dasher buying time in the pocket and making a play downfield when forced ro scramble. |
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Post by dhatt14 on Dec 22, 2009 16:17:45 GMT -6
Tony changed the reads for Dasher: 1, 2, run..
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Post by morris on Dec 22, 2009 16:43:40 GMT -6
He also does not allow him to change the play either. They call a play and go with it unless it is 3rd down. Then they look to the sideline. I find that interesting due to how much Air Raid teams screen with that being a big check at the line type thing.
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Post by gdn56 on Dec 22, 2009 16:47:23 GMT -6
I just think it made no sense for Auburn to go out and hire a guy in Franlkin who they knew was a whole-sale change from what they had in the past, and then be upset when he changed it. I mean, it was as if Tubs and the assistants didn't buy into what he was doing...seems like Tubs could have gathered that from looking at his history. I really do think its unfortunate that the situation ended how it did...with what may be the last stop in the SEC for either of the 2, who are both very good coaches, to be filled with so much drama and controversey.
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Post by Coach JR on Dec 28, 2009 11:56:04 GMT -6
I just think it made no sense for Auburn to go out and hire a guy in Franlkin who they knew was a whole-sale change from what they had in the past, and then be upset when he changed it. I mean, it was as if Tubs and the assistants didn't buy into what he was doing...seems like Tubs could have gathered that from looking at his history. I really do think its unfortunate that the situation ended how it did...with what may be the last stop in the SEC for either of the 2, who are both very good coaches, to be filled with so much drama and controversey. Over and done with... |
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Post by blb on Dec 28, 2009 12:01:25 GMT -6
I just think it made no sense for Auburn to go out and hire a guy in Franlkin who they knew was a whole-sale change from what they had in the past, and then be upset when he changed it. I mean, it was as if Tubs and the assistants didn't buy into what he was doing...seems like Tubs could have gathered that from looking at his history. I really do think its unfortunate that the situation ended how it did...with what may be the last stop in the SEC for either of the 2, who are both very good coaches, to be filled with so much drama and controversey. Over and done with... Apparently not for "The System" cultists, auburn! |
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