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Post by airraider on Nov 4, 2009 7:02:51 GMT -6
So kid is disrupting practice.. coach tells him to just leave.. kid makes it worse by going over and hanging on blocking sled right by the coach as if he were trying to antagonize him..
After then being told over and over again to leave the field.. the kid just stands there running his mouth..
What do you do??
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Post by John Knight on Nov 4, 2009 7:05:47 GMT -6
I would call the principal who would then call the cops.
He would leave when asked or be charged with trespassing.
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Post by airraider on Nov 4, 2009 7:10:32 GMT -6
I would call the principal who would then call the cops. He would leave when asked or be charged with trespassing. What if its after school and there are no authority figures left on campus other than coaching staff? Reason I ask.. one of my assistants faced this yesterday and he physically pulled the kid away from the sled and pushed him away from the other kids.. I am very afraid that this will not end well.. This left another coach asking.. "well.. what should we do in that situation?" My response was that anything but put your hands on them.. not saying I would have responded any differently.. but to keep your job.. you DO NOT put your hands on them.. Principal already has it out for this guy.. and.. basketball coach last year was fired for "putting his hands on" the same kid twice last season.. |
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Post by John Knight on Nov 4, 2009 7:27:02 GMT -6
If I could not reach the principal, I would have called the police myself. I would not touch a kid showing that kind of action.
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Post by airraider on Nov 4, 2009 7:48:44 GMT -6
If I could not reach the principal, I would have called the police myself. I would not touch a kid showing that kind of action. I agree 100%.. that was my first response to the question.. if they wont leave.. heck.. call the police.. I just hate that I wasn't over there to possibly avert the situation.. but I was over in another portion of the field putting out other fires.. |
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Post by rcole on Nov 4, 2009 8:11:02 GMT -6
These days most of the coaches wear their phones on their bodies at all times. Call the police...hate to do it if it is a kid you have been working with...would do it without hesitation if it is an outsider.
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Post by lochness on Nov 4, 2009 8:21:24 GMT -6
Was this a player, or just some random chucklehead from the student body?
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Post by John Knight on Nov 4, 2009 8:32:16 GMT -6
did you read the thread title?
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Post by lochness on Nov 4, 2009 8:34:43 GMT -6
did you read the thread title? Obviously not. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 4, 2009 8:35:14 GMT -6
Man that happened to me one time..I threatened to call the police..finally the kids convinced him he had to leave..man that was close
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Post by threeback on Nov 4, 2009 8:41:32 GMT -6
Ignore the kid...kid keeps disrupting and making a scene...call the police.
This day and age with a kid displaying that type of attitude...have to handle these type of situations with worse case scenario always in mind.
You know as well as I do that as soon as that kid had to the opportunity to do so, he ran to his parent(s) and told them how he got "man handled" or some off the wall shiat to them, they'll call the principal, and it will blow up big time.
Good luck...hope it works out for ya'll..
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Post by coachcb on Nov 4, 2009 11:23:18 GMT -6
Keep your hands to yourself. Get ahold of whoever you can to deal with the situation. If you have to call the cops, call the cops.
Then ask to charge the kid with disorderly conduct and trespassing.
The assistant will have to suffer some consequences for putting his hands on the kid. If the kid starts the physical confrontation; do what you have to. Other than that, stay away from him. This is a touchy subject; I was subbing a few weeks back and had a bad situation to deal with. Big middle schooler, on top of little middle schooler, beating the holylivinghell out of him. I grab the kid by shoulders jerk him up and push him away.
Apparently, the hard shove I gave him wasn't kosher; didn't get in any trouble for it, but still had to 'discuss' it. BULLSH-T.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Nov 4, 2009 12:13:45 GMT -6
If he has a history of stuff like this, how is this kid still on the team at this point in the season? I know you're low on numbers and this can't be the first time he's given you guys crap, but still...
Would it be acceptable to send someone back to the fieldhouse and tell him you're about to do something really bad to all of his personal stuff if he doesn't pack it up right now? Even if it's a bluff, that might at least get his @$$ off the field so you can get on with practice.
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Post by airman on Nov 4, 2009 12:49:05 GMT -6
I saw this happen and the player when just nuts verbally on a coach. the coach instructed the kid filming practice to turn the camera to get this on film.
we have plenty of space so I would just move the team away from him. we would just move to another field. he would be told to leave or the police would be called.
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Post by runandgunjt on Nov 4, 2009 18:03:30 GMT -6
I experienced this twice in two years with the same player. The player would keep running his mouth after repeatedly being told not to talk. Eventually I would have to send him to the head coach per our team rule. This is exactly why it happened the second time, because the HC did not handle it properly the previous year.
This time around, his peers joined in and were telling him to shut up. He graduates this year and now he is somebody elses problem. We all know, some kids refuse to be coached.
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Post by jackedup on Nov 4, 2009 19:46:56 GMT -6
Has anyone ever had a player charge at them after one of these incidents got really bad?
A couple of years ago, a player was doing the same. I was able to divert his transgressions onto his teammates and they got angry at him. Once he realized what I was doing and that his time as a football player was done, he charged me in full pads. Luckily, another player side swiped him. But for a moment, I was trying to think really fast about what I should do next.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2009 20:47:46 GMT -6
I would call the principal who would then call the cops. He would leave when asked or be charged with trespassing. What if its after school and there are no authority figures left on campus other than coaching staff? Reason I ask.. one of my assistants faced this yesterday and he physically pulled the kid away from the sled and pushed him away from the other kids.. I am very afraid that this will not end well.. This left another coach asking.. "well.. what should we do in that situation?" My response was that anything but put your hands on them.. not saying I would have responded any differently.. but to keep your job.. you DO NOT put your hands on them.. Principal already has it out for this guy.. and.. basketball coach last year was fired for "putting his hands on" the same kid twice last season.. Always have more than 1 coach present at all times when handling situations like this... tell them you are going to call the police if they don't leave, then if they don't leave immediately....call. Most often they walk when the police arrive, quite a few will leave when they just see you on the phone ....then call his parents. Parents will almost always break their backs to get there to take the kid with them, they'll do anything to avoid having them arrested. If he's a true problem kid, the "hard a$$" kind, he'll keep it up when the Police arrive....then his parents may get there just in time to see the Officers putting him in the car. All too often we get kids that want to challenge the police. I've had this happen so many times IN UNIFORM I've lost count, ......this also gives more weight to your case. (hey the kid assaulted a cop, right in front of us). This also cretes a record, not just by the school, but the township, the officers, will always have a record of it...Just in case trust me. Sometimes these "little" incidents, can turn ugly.....fast. At very least you have police there if an angry parent pulls up. NEVER put your hands on ANYONE unless you feel there is a threat to your well being, your assistant could be in some real hot water. |
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 4, 2009 23:34:20 GMT -6
Great thread, we've all had situations that have escalated.
But coaches are right, do not touch the kid, once you touch him an entire different set of things go into motion.
First one to lose his head loses. Keep the high ground.
I've found that some kids will escalate, you've got to know how far you can push each of your kids. If you have a kid that will try and top you no matter what, you have to deal with him in a different many. Then don't push him off that ledge.
Each kid responds differently, I got a kid that no matter what you do you can never escalate emotionally over him.
So knowing that, don't push him to that limit. I've had to help some coaches understand this.
Isolate and defuse have worked for me for many years.
There is no practice that is so important that it cannot be stopped for certain reasons.
If this is a kid that does this more than once, there is another entire way of dealing with this.
You can Isolate and defuse the situation most of the time by lowering the entire volume and emotional level dynamic that is going on at that moment.
Now this is for a kid that just goes off for the first time.
If then you know this kid will go off like this, you should already have something or someone in place to deal with this.
I think that truth is a wonderful weapon.
This kid isn't going to destroy your program unless you do something that allows him to destroy your program.
He might make you have a bad day at practice, but so what, everybody probably already knows that "jimmy" has problems.
I've stopped practice before, defused the situations by lowering the emotional volume more than once over the years.
Then we deal with it. You can never deal with anyone who is all worked up, we all know that.
The only bad thing that can happen is for a coach to lose his head, get out of control and look like a jerk, or to be accused of manhandling the kid.
So don't touch the kid and don't let him get the upper hand.
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Post by 1ispread on Nov 5, 2009 8:42:34 GMT -6
Great advice from OJW stop practice & simply let the guy scream/talk/act like an A$$ himself out. then deal with it. Or you could stop practice, line the rest of the team up & begin running wind sprints while the disruptive player watches, point out to the rest of the team they are being punished for someone elses lack of disipline, then point out to the disruptive player he punishes the TEAM more than anyone else when he is disruptive & undisiplined.
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Post by 1ispread on Nov 5, 2009 8:44:30 GMT -6
And if the guy is a constant disruption the best thing to do is to remove him from the team. REMOVE a fancy word for kick his A$$ off the team.
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Post by John Knight on Nov 5, 2009 8:46:54 GMT -6
I would never punish the team for a kid acting like that.
He is gone.
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Post by airraider on Nov 5, 2009 9:49:34 GMT -6
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Post by coachriley on Nov 5, 2009 23:50:37 GMT -6
Or you could run the rest of the team ragged, then simply be late back to the locker room. I like this approach coach. Players know how to handle things, they arent stupid and can see even when one of their own is running their mouth. |
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Post by John Knight on Nov 6, 2009 8:01:57 GMT -6
The coach told the kid to leave. He is kicked out of practice. The rest of the team has nothing to do with that. He is not part of the TEAM right now if you ask me.
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Post by lsrood on Nov 6, 2009 10:10:59 GMT -6
raidergun,
I haven't read one post here that called for coddling the disrutpive player. Most said call an administrator or the poilce and have him removed. And most everyone agreed that he would be gone from the team. I would have had his equipment right then and he would not be back at all. In most cases it is the parents who facillitate this behavior and weak administrators/school boards who let them get away with it. Put the blame where it lies, not on the coaches.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Nov 6, 2009 10:29:19 GMT -6
Airraider
I hope that guy doesn't get canned for removing the kid...
I would say with a level head tell the kid to leave. If he doesn't, then move your team away from him and call the cops- maybe even send the team in the locker room. The rest of the team isn't going to be able to focus until you resolve the problem anyway.
Laying hands on the dude for anything short of self-defense can and likely will result in a backlash from administration and parents. You will not have your back "gotten" in this case.
Similar to the way you should handle a disruptive and non-compliant situation in a classroom- clear the innocents from the room and then deal with the guy with admin (or in your case Police) backing you up.
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Post by coachk13 on Nov 6, 2009 11:27:00 GMT -6
Raidergun... Seems like you've seen "Remember the Titans" a few too many times. Giving a kid a second chance is one thing, coddling is something different entirely. Echoing the sentiments of Isrood, none of the coaches who've posted on this thread have said anything about giving a kid a 5th or 6 chance. I'd be willing to bet that any of you would be willing to give a kid a 2nd chance, but there's also a limit as to what we should put up with. We need to willing to work with kids from bad situations and trying to give them positive role models, but sometimes they learn their lessons better from losing those positive role models.
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Post by phantom on Nov 6, 2009 12:00:06 GMT -6
Uh, the post about the trouble maker states that this is not the first time this kid has done something like this. In our program we start out when they are in 7th grade and will kick kids out of the program for simply not looking a coach in the eye when being addressed. Does not matter who you are. If a Coach is addressing the group and eye contact is not being made with total attention and mouthes shut said player is in danger of being released from the program. WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS IF A KID IS INSUBORDINATE? He is no longer in danger of being kicked off HE IS KICKED OFF AND NOT LET BACK IN. Now, the eye contact thing is a situation to where they are allowed back in during off season and if they work their tail off and are not a problem they can come out again in the fall. And no, havent seen the movie too many times but we take our discipline serious. If kids want to be part of the program they tow the line. If not, then get their tail to P.E. Now that that's taken care of do you have anything to add to this particular discussion? |
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Post by coachk13 on Nov 6, 2009 13:02:10 GMT -6
You can take discipline seriously and still care about the damn kids and not being such an @$$hole about it. That's why most of us are the business to begin with because kids need positive role models not drill sergeants who don't give a $*it about them as people. I sure as hell care about my players like they're my own children. IMO, if you can't say the same, you should get out of the business.
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Post by phantom on Nov 6, 2009 13:12:29 GMT -6
This question is a good one. It involves a situation that could happen to any of us no matter how well disciplined the team normally is or the rest of the kids are. If a guy asked about punt team nobody would answer with "Well, you should have converted the 3rd down". Sure but that's not the situation now. Let's stick to the question at hand.
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