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Post by kcbazooka on Oct 17, 2009 15:27:53 GMT -6
This would have ticked me off if I was the coach. In our area the refs often tell the defense to back off if the offense indicates they will be taking a knee. ----
"This may come across as sour grapes because my team lost but I really don't feel it is... I just need to vent a little I guess and see if anyone else feels the same way. I feel the final score should have been 40-36 Central instead of 46-36 as the last score by Central was pretty much classless. (Central lined up in the victory formation and took a knee to run the clock out, then lined up in what would have been the final victory formation, qb yelling "we're taking a knee, we're taking a knee" only to do a quick pass to a receiver who raced in for a TD with SG reacting a little too late for it to matter. Central's coach said after the game in a radio interview that he "wished he could feel better about the win". My feelings are that he probably would have if he hadn't ran the cheap play he ran with the clock expiring. SG still would have lost and Central would still have won but it was just one of those things that tarnished the ending of an otherwise decent game to watch... All for +6 more points in the district points system. "
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 17, 2009 15:47:14 GMT -6
I agree here. This type of play should not be allowed if the officials intercede. The solution is that the reffs do their jobs and officiate what they say, not anticipate what might happen.
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Post by fbdoc on Oct 17, 2009 15:50:18 GMT -6
Poor decision - was it the kid or the coach? I still remember Joe Montana doing the same thing as a 49er vs the Cardinals. Pass was incomplete but the Cards tried to take his head off on the next play!
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Post by phantom on Oct 17, 2009 16:15:24 GMT -6
This would have ticked me off if I was the coach. In our area the refs often tell the defense to back off if the offense indicates they will be taking a knee. ---- "This may come across as sour grapes because my team lost but I really don't feel it is... I just need to vent a little I guess and see if anyone else feels the same way. I feel the final score should have been 40-36 Central instead of 46-36 as the last score by Central was pretty much classless. ( Central lined up in the victory formation and took a knee to run the clock out, then lined up in what would have been the final victory formation, qb yelling "we're taking a knee, we're taking a knee" only to do a quick pass to a receiver who raced in for a TD with SG reacting a little too late for it to matter. Central's coach said after the game in a radio interview that he "wished he could feel better about the win". My feelings are that he probably would have if he hadn't ran the cheap play he ran with the clock expiring. SG still would have lost and Central would still have won but it was just one of those things that tarnished the ending of an otherwise decent game to watch... All for +6 more points in the district points system. " Does scoring differential figure into deciding playoff points? That last line makes it sound like it does. If so no wonder there are sportsmanship issues. IMO, this play should be an Unsportsmanlike. I don't see how it's different from "Wrong ball".
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Post by Yash on Oct 17, 2009 16:36:30 GMT -6
If refs are smart they throw a simple illegal formation or procedure flag on that.
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Post by oguru on Oct 17, 2009 19:28:13 GMT -6
If refs are smart they throw a simple illegal formation or procedure flag on that. Why would they do that. Unless it is an illegal formation or there is illegal procedure. Please Yash explain this to me if I was officiating this game why would I do that? ?
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Post by 19delta on Oct 17, 2009 19:55:44 GMT -6
If refs are smart they throw a simple illegal formation or procedure flag on that. Why would they do that. Unless it is an illegal formation or there is illegal procedure. Please Yash explain this to me if I was officiating this game why would I do that? ? Because usually, in that situation, the refs don't allow the defense to play. When the offense says, "we are taking a knee", the officials are telling the defensive players to lay off and take it easy. That's why it is BS for the officials to get involved in these plays. Let the kids play. Heck, if you aren't going to let the defense play the last few downs, why not just call the game early? If the offense is winning with under a minute left and the defense has no time outs, you might as well just end the game early.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 17, 2009 20:33:50 GMT -6
Why would they do that. Unless it is an illegal formation or there is illegal procedure. Please Yash explain this to me if I was officiating this game why would I do that? ? Because usually, in that situation, the refs don't allow the defense to play. When the offense says, "we are taking a knee", the officials are telling the defensive players to lay off and take it easy. That's why it is BS for the officials to get involved in these plays. Let the kids play. Heck, if you aren't going to let the defense play the last few downs, why not just call the game early? If the offense is winning with under a minute left and the defense has no time outs, you might as well just end the game early. But they shouldn't call a penalty that isn't there. They should have invoked one of the "travesty of the game" rules and flagged them for 15.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 17, 2009 20:37:43 GMT -6
Because usually, in that situation, the refs don't allow the defense to play. When the offense says, "we are taking a knee", the officials are telling the defensive players to lay off and take it easy. That's why it is BS for the officials to get involved in these plays. Let the kids play. Heck, if you aren't going to let the defense play the last few downs, why not just call the game early? If the offense is winning with under a minute left and the defense has no time outs, you might as well just end the game early. But they shouldn't call a penalty that isn't there. They should have invoked one of the "travesty of the game" rules and flagged them for 15. I agree. Throw the flag for unsportsmanlike conduct. Don't make sh*t up that isn't there.
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Post by morris on Oct 17, 2009 21:51:18 GMT -6
Had this happen to us this year and the officials did throw the flag for unsportmans. It falls into the same group as the "wrong ball" trick.
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Post by coachguy83 on Oct 17, 2009 22:18:52 GMT -6
I agree that the USC flag should be thrown, but since that is a post possesion penalty the score would still count. I would have taken it a step further and ejected the coach, because in our state he would automaticaly be suspended the next week. That coach can feel as bad as he likes about it, but if his team did it he allowed it. If his players did it without his knowledge then his players need to be punished, but something tells me that's not going to happen.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 17, 2009 22:26:56 GMT -6
I agree that the USC flag should be thrown, but since that is a post possesion penalty the score would still count. I don't think so. I think they call back the "where's the tee?" plays and such.
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Post by phantom on Oct 17, 2009 22:32:19 GMT -6
I agree that the USC flag should be thrown, but since that is a post possesion penalty the score would still count. I don't think so. I think they call back the "where's the tee?" plays and such. These guys called out "We're taking a knee".
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 17, 2009 23:04:11 GMT -6
I don't think so. I think they call back the "where's the tee?" plays and such. These guys called out "We're taking a knee". Yes, my point being (and I am no rules expert) that if the "where's the tee" plays can be nullified with an Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty, then CERTAINLY a "we are taking a knee" play in which officials often instruct the Defense to "take it easy" should fall under that umbrella.
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Post by phantom on Oct 17, 2009 23:09:19 GMT -6
These guys called out "We're taking a knee". Yes, my point being (and I am no rules expert) that if the "where's the tee" plays can be nullified with an Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty, then CERTAINLY a "we are taking a knee" play in which officials often instruct the Defense to "take it easy" should fall under that umbrella. Ah, we're in agreement then.
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Post by Yash on Oct 18, 2009 9:18:56 GMT -6
I wasn't aware they could have called an unsportsmanlike penalty on that. Then that is the call they should make. I was just saying that if the refs tell a team to take it easy and then the other team uses that to get a cheap score, the ref could nullify the play. Is it making up a call, yes, but at the same time its BS that a team would take advantage of the kneel down to add a cheap score.
A few years ago when I was still in alaska I was coaching JV. The other team was beating us pretty good so I put my back ups in. Now this is alaska and you dont' usually have 11 starters, so putting back ups in means putting in some pretty non football smart or athletic kids. Other team still had starters in and was throwing HB toss passes with a 30 point lead and 1 min left in the game. The ref would simply drop a flag and call a holding on someone. Is it a made up call, yeah, but i appreciated it. I had kids in that probably didn't know a football from a rugby ball and the other team was running up the score with trick plays. Sometimes, its appropriate to call something in the spirit of the game.
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Post by kcbazooka on Oct 18, 2009 17:46:04 GMT -6
yes, point differential up to 13 points counts in district.
Hadn't thought of the similarity to the "this isn't the right ball trick" but that certainly would fit this situation.
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