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Post by coachjblair on Oct 15, 2009 9:00:18 GMT -6
I am in a program that needs a major rebuilding program and was wondering if anyone has any advice on how to turn this situation around. The major problems are listed below. 1. Very low commitment from our players it is not uncommon where we have 20% of our team missing from a practice with BS excuses, or some kids just are no shows and don’t even give a reason. 2. Football is not taken very seriously in the community. So we get low turnout rates(have 21 kids on our team for a 2A program). Also not much support from parents or administration. 3. Very poor junior high program. The team has not won a game in 3 years and we lose a lot of football kids in junior high due to lack of success. Anyways if anyone has any advice please post it. Also does anyone know of a good school in Arizona (especially if it is a Native school since I coach in a Native school) that has had these problems has been able to achieve success.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 15, 2009 9:18:06 GMT -6
1. Have an attendance policy and stick to it. All absences must be notified to the coach before hand or they are considered unexcused. If you are sick from school, the absence is excused and no added conditioning. For all other excused absences: 1 absence= 100 updowns and no start 2nd abscence= 100 updowns and no first half 3rd absence= 100 updowns and no dress This is on a weekly basis. 3 unexcused absences a year and you are removed from the team. Once you quit or are removed there is no coming back. 2. Build a weight program and require kids to attend. 3. Run a systematic offense. I would recommend running something that is not run in your league ala double wing or Navy Flexbone. 4. Build relationships with everyone. 5. Teach fundamentals over scheme. 6. Do it your way, you may get fired, but if you do the job wasn't worth it. 7. Teach character over winning. 8. Create high expectations for the classroom. 9. Don't accept background as an excuse. 10. Drug test, if it is legal and there are funds.
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Post by formrbcbuc on Oct 15, 2009 12:01:21 GMT -6
I am in a program that needs a major rebuilding program and was wondering if anyone has any advice on how to turn this situation around. The major problems are listed below. 1. Very low commitment from our players it is not uncommon where we have 20% of our team missing from a practice with BS excuses, or some kids just are no shows and don’t even give a reason. 2. Football is not taken very seriously in the community. So we get low turnout rates(have 21 kids on our team for a 2A program). Also not much support from parents or administration. 3. Very poor junior high program. The team has not won a game in 3 years and we lose a lot of football kids in junior high due to lack of success. Anyways if anyone has any advice please post it. Also does anyone know of a good school in Arizona (especially if it is a Native school since I coach in a Native school) that has had these problems has been able to achieve success. Hey coach, greetings from Southeast AZ! I understand the frustration of an underachieving program, I played 4 years at Rio Rico High School... Here's some of my thoughts as to what you can do: 1) If you have a player that is a cancer on your team cut them out as soon as you can, its rough now that it we are in week 8. A player that is a cancer can ruin an otherwise promising season. Also, clearly state in the off-season as part of your team philosophy/ off season workouts that attendance matters. Make sure they understand that there is a direct correlation between attending strength and condtioning workouts, 7 on 7, and most imortant of all practice and playing time/ success come game night. Also give consequences for missing such as extra conditioning or loss of playing time (i.e. sit out a quater, half, or whole game) and finally being kicked off the team. 2) find administrators hat want a successful program and work with them to build one. Find dedicated parents and start up a booser club. Also go to local businesses for support, this may even mean going to Phoenix, Kayenta, Tucson, Snowflake/ Pinetop/Show Low area, or Flagstaff to find financial support. Also, since you are a rez school if you can talk to the nation's leaders (president, ouncil, etc.) and see what if anything they can do to help. 3) See if the Jr HS coaches will adopt your programs footballl schemes and philosophy there by indoctrinating them with what they will play at the HS level. push for god coaches to be hired at that level when vacancies arise. It is hard I understand for the team I'm coaching at our Jr. HS does flag football BS, so we have been relyig on pop warner in the past. Lastly there will be players that are coming out for th first time, so just coach them to the best of your ability(which I believe you are doing). As far as coaches that have done well at NAtive American schools in AZ I know of a few schools and coaches names: Rick Benjamin was one of the coaches if I remember correctly at Ganado (3A) a while ago. As far as 2A rez schools Pita Olomua at Red Mesa in the 2A North has done pretty well this year with a 6-1 record. Any further questions you have or if you just need to vent feel from to PM me
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Post by formrbcbuc on Oct 15, 2009 12:10:25 GMT -6
Also, while there are many obstacles, possibly rough home lives and discrimination that your players may face living on a reservation tell them that not to use that as a crutch or an excuse for failure. If anything it should be their motivation to work hard to make themselves, their family, and their nations ( The US and and their Nativve nation) proud f ther efforts. This is important because it will set the tone not only for your football seasons but for the rest of their lives
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Post by coachcb on Oct 15, 2009 22:14:39 GMT -6
I have a friend who is the HC of a successful program on a Native American reservation; he has had the exact same issues you have had.
1. Attendance- you don't show up for practice, then you don't play. He had/has the same low numbers every year, but they're getting better. In the past, the kids didn't have to come to practice to play; it set a low commitment level for the program. Plus, no one showed up for practice, so no one got any better.
2. You will have a hard time winning the community on the reservations until you get some wins. This gets back to getting some commitment from the kids. Around here, you are always competing against basketball on the reservations; it is the most popular sport. My friend got in good with the basketball coaches and it made a difference.
3. Put your foot down with the MS programs; set expectations for them and stick to it. If they are the one feeder school, then at the very least, they should be adhering to some simple fundamental guidelines of the game; blocking, tackling and shedding. They should also be running your scheme; if even a watered down version of it.
Also, you need to tap into the traditions of the Native American tribe you are working with. I'm not saying this as a racist, but as a coach who has grown up around the reservations; most of the tribes don't trust anybody but those within the tribe. You win their trust and it will go a long way.
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Post by formrbcbuc on Oct 15, 2009 22:47:15 GMT -6
I have a friend who is the HC of a successful program on a Native American reservation; he has had the exact same issues you have had. 1. Attendance- you don't show up for practice, then you don't play. He had/has the same low numbers every year, but they're getting better. In the past, the kids didn't have to come to practice to play; it set a low commitment level for the program. Plus, no one showed up for practice, so no one got any better. 2. You will have a hard time winning the community on the reservations until you get some wins. This gets back to getting some commitment from the kids. Around here, you are always competing against basketball on the reservations; it is the most popular sport. My friend got in good with the basketball coaches and it made a difference. 3. Put your foot down with the MS programs; set expectations for them and stick to it. If they are the one feeder school, then at the very least, they should be adhering to some simple fundamental guidelines of the game; blocking, tackling and shedding. They should also be running your scheme; if even a watered down version of it. Also, you need to tap into the traditions of the Native American tribe you are working with. I'm not saying this as a racist, but as a coach who has grown up around the reservations; most of the tribes don't trust anybody but those within the tribe. You win their trust and it will go a long way. great advice, and ditto your comment about trust, You win the community's trust they'll do wonders for you and your program.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Oct 16, 2009 3:15:50 GMT -6
I think , based on my own experiences now, that you have to do it your way. You allow folks to get their hands in it and they will take the steering wheel awy from you and your vision will never come to life. If you do it your way and you arent given the time you need to see it through then so be it.
I like the post that outlines the steps to get it done, thats very accurate in my opinion. what can be hard sometimes is when the inmates have run the asylum and still won games, then it becomes that much harder to "correct" the program in dealing not only with losing, quitting, poor practice attendance, criticism etc etc....but stay the course.
I believe that sometimes things must get worse before they get better. for example you might have to say seeya to a few good atheltes who are not good leaders and may be clubhouse cancers. if their absence allows you to coach the other kids better due to more time and energy focused on them then thats a plus for the program.
you have to coach the kids on not only football but on character and accountability before you can really have a program rolling. youll lose a few, football isnt for everyone. youll gain a few that might have otherwise been turned off by the outlaws running the show.
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Post by coachjblair on Oct 16, 2009 9:14:46 GMT -6
coachcb can you please give me the contatc info to your friend who is the HC of a successful program on a Native American reservation. You can PM it if you want to.
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Post by coachjblair on Oct 16, 2009 9:22:44 GMT -6
Thanks for the input we have been following most of this advice already. Heck we just had to forfit this week’s game since we had 4 kids eligible with our attendance policy. Hopefully this sends the message that if you don’t show up to practice then you don’t play. We have also been following this policy all year, but have never had this many kids miss (The main reason we had the big attendance problem this week was due to the fact we were on fall break). We have had some moderate success this year. Currently we are 14th in the state and were about to make a playoff run. So it’s not like we were a down in the dumps programs in terms of success. I think next year we are going to have the junior high practice down at the high school. Also our head coach is going to try and be on the hiring committee for the next junior high coach. Any advice on anything else we can do or anything we can do differently is greatly appreciated.
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Post by airraider on Oct 16, 2009 9:27:13 GMT -6
I am in a program that needs a major rebuilding program and was wondering if anyone has any advice on how to turn this situation around. The major problems are listed below. 1. Very low commitment from our players it is not uncommon where we have 20% of our team missing from a practice with BS excuses, or some kids just are no shows and don’t even give a reason. 2. Football is not taken very seriously in the community. So we get low turnout rates(have 21 kids on our team for a 2A program). Also not much support from parents or administration. 3. Very poor junior high program. The team has not won a game in 3 years and we lose a lot of football kids in junior high due to lack of success. Anyways if anyone has any advice please post it. Also does anyone know of a good school in Arizona (especially if it is a Native school since I coach in a Native school) that has had these problems has been able to achieve success. Do you coach at my school?
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Post by davecisar on Oct 17, 2009 4:09:37 GMT -6
I know the Res schools face HUGE problems with basic truancy. The Reservations near here often have truancy rates higher than 50%, they have guards at exits etc Extreme apathy from many parents etc Forfeits are commonplace for these teams A former 11 year employee of mine was married to an NA from this reservation, his theory was the dependency system destroys the people. He wont even go back now, it disgusts him the apathy that exists there. www.nytimes.com/2000/05/18/us/indian-schools-long-failing-press-for-money-and-quality.html?pagewanted=allProblem may be bigger than you, best of luck.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 17, 2009 12:17:45 GMT -6
When people become independent they become apathetic, which in turns causes more dependence, which in turn creates bondage to that dependence.
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Post by fbdoc on Oct 17, 2009 15:19:25 GMT -6
Good posts with solid information. Kids will respond to the demands you require, or they will choose not to be in your program. That is true on urban, rural, or res kids. Remember, everything about YOUR team is either Coached or it is Allowed...
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