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Post by coachks on Oct 13, 2009 10:45:08 GMT -6
This is sort of a spin off the other thread, but I suppose with a different outlook and circumstances.
As coaches, most of us (if you're on a message board, you almsot certainly aren't stipend hunting) do not coach for money. You don't enter teaching to earn the big bucks and you certainly don't coach because that 4,000 is so inticing .There are easier ways to earn that amount of cash.
The call to coach isn't about the money.
With that said, money is certainly nice. As we all have an existance out-of-season (no matter how much we spend in the weightroom), we do all need money (unless you're a traveling monk).
So my question is this, is it unethical to leave a job for a better paying one. Or even further, is it unethical to leave a volunteer job for a chance to be paid.
Consider the case of so many college coaches (Saban, Rodriguez and others) who are villified in the media for jumping around between jobs. Their loyalty is questioned, their character is questioned and their integrity is bashed. Why? Often because they simply took the same job, just with a higher salary.
How should salary effect a high school job? If you are being paid, say 55,000 to teach a full load and be the header, you're successful and a bigger school wants to pay you 80,000 with a lighter load, is it unethical to take it?
What if you're an assistant making 1,000 and another school wants you to do the same job for 4,000?
Does that make coaching "about the money".
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Post by realdawg on Oct 13, 2009 11:06:17 GMT -6
No its not unethical. You should do what is in you and your families best interest career wise. If I get a chance to do the same job I love and make 3000 more dollars you better believe I am going to.
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Post by phantom on Oct 13, 2009 11:10:08 GMT -6
I don't see where any of these examples is unethical.
Money counts. Gas costs what it costs no matter how much I like my job. The power company does not give a coach's discount.
If I take a different coaching job because it pays better does that me less passionate about my job? I'd doing the same job at the new place.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 13, 2009 11:16:35 GMT -6
My football stipend is about $3,000. If I were working a part time job, which I do sometimes, and made $10 an hour, that means I would have to work 300 hours at some crap job that I cannot stand or make the money doing something I love. If I wanted to add it up, it would be less than $4.00 an hour, but I take pride in doing a good job and having a positive influence on players. So, yes the money is nice, but it isn't everything.
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 13, 2009 11:20:48 GMT -6
Hard question, but I'll offer my thoughts:
There are few things that would/will voluntarily take me away from coaching at my alma mater. First would be having to leave the area/school because of family/marital need. Second would be any situation where I had been blatantly lied to, misled, or mistreated. Last, would be the hypothetical 'dream job' scenario where I get paid $75k a year to do nothing but football with a iron-clad lifetime contract and covert budget. My loyalty does have a price, but it's steep.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Oct 13, 2009 11:22:12 GMT -6
In my opinion, the situation is more important than the money. A low-paying job in a good situation is better than a high-paying job in a bad situation.
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Post by phantom on Oct 13, 2009 11:27:38 GMT -6
In my opinion, the situation is more important than the money. A low-paying job in a good situation is better than a high-paying job in a bad situation. But how often is the question that black and white? If you have a chance to double your salary (teaching+coaching, not just your stipend) is your present situation really twice as good? |
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Post by coachorr on Oct 13, 2009 11:35:27 GMT -6
I have been in situations that I thought were bad situations, only to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire. The more I do what I do, the more I realize that putting your time in where you are at and doing the very best you can is the best thing you can do for all involved. Act like you will be there forever and love it like it is the best situation in the world, because you never know, your next jump may be worse, or you might not have a place to land.
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Post by Wingtman on Oct 13, 2009 11:40:10 GMT -6
I'll be honest...its not about the money, I was a volunteer coach for 4 years and loved it. Had same responsiblities and priviliges as the paid coaches.
I was the freshman boys basketball coach and they were cutting that position...$2400 I couldnt afford to lose.
I found a job at the next school district over..paid me $3200 more base, football stipend and I added track last January. This year I added middle school hoops as well. So in all I gained $8000 by moving districts and found the woman I'm going to marry (yes, she knows about it).
I loved the kids and coaches at my last school, but it was also time to move on professionally as well.
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Post by blb on Oct 13, 2009 11:40:24 GMT -6
My life does not revolve around money. I quit a 60K a year job in 1996, to become a teacher and start off at 28K. I'm going to do what I want and live on whatever I make. Money has absolutely ZERO bearing on what I do. Matter of fact, since both kids are out of the house, I'm thinking about selling everything off, buying a camper, living at the camp ground and working at the bait shop. We've always managed to live on what we made, and always managed to spend it too, from low-teens to six figures. New challenge for us is now that I've retired as a teacher and taken cut from full salary to pension. |
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Post by phantom on Oct 13, 2009 11:42:40 GMT -6
I have been in situations that I thought were bad situations, only to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire. The more I do what I do, the more I realize that putting your time in where you are at and doing the very best you can is the best thing you can do for all involved. Act like you will be there forever and love it like it is the best situation in the world, because you never know, your next jump may be worse, or you might not have a place to land. But the question is about money so that's exactly my point. There are problems everywhere so can another job really be so bad that it would preclude taking it for a hefty raise? Maybe it is. Maybe not. Sure, money's not the only thing but that's not the question here. |
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Post by brophy on Oct 13, 2009 11:50:51 GMT -6
So my question is this, is it unethical to leave a job for a better paying one. Or even further, is it unethical to leave a volunteer job for a chance to be paid. hecks nah it ain't unethical. In my opinion, the situation is more important than the money. A low-paying job in a good situation is better than a high-paying job in a bad situation. THIS.... I'm not a teacher, so "coaching" for me, is a serious inconvenience to my real-job/life. I've done it for free, done it for kick back, done it for stipend, and done it for contract. In all those circumstances, the money that they afforded me all went to just compensate that which I've already personally paid into it (many times using the stipend to take the team out to do something, go to movies, etc). It all is relative, though, how much you are ALLOWED to accomplish based on your staff's makeup. You may be paid an ungodly amount of money, but when things are beyond your control there becomes a limit as to how much you can do/accomplish. There is nothing wrong with being paid, or seeking to be paid more. However, the amount required from a committed individual cannot be realistically compensated for in $$. If the staff / situation is bad, no amount of money can justify putting up with it for 4-11 months of the year |
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Post by coachorr on Oct 13, 2009 11:51:19 GMT -6
If it is not the question, then why is it in the title?
What if the new position is not only more money, but an advancement in title? To answer your question Phantom, I think I would have to take it.
What if the money is less, but the position is better?
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Post by phantom on Oct 13, 2009 12:03:47 GMT -6
If it is not the question, then why is it in the title? What if the new position is not only more money, but an advancement in title? To answer your question Phantom, I think I would have to take it. What if the money is less, but the position is better? That's for each individual to decide for himself. Better how? Lifestyle? Sure that might be worth it to some. More coaching responsibility? Sure for some but not everybody. Job title? Not for me but if that matters knock yourself out. Again, let's not confuse the question. It's not "Would you?". It's "Should you?". There's no hard and fast answer to the first. There is to the second. |
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