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Post by offcoachbam on Oct 11, 2009 20:33:25 GMT -6
Yesterday we played our 4th game and was winning 12-0 with a little less than 3 mins to play.I had just ran 5 consecutive dives.Our next play was a pass on which we scored and the opposing coaches starts screaming at me.(No class and I was running up the score)They had everyone in the box with the safeties close to the line,so to me I think they were a turnover away from being in the game.They only kick onside kicks.So was I wrong for passing in that situation , was that any type of bad sportsmanship.This is my first year as a head coach and I trying not to wrinkle any feathers.Please give me your personal thoughts about this.We won 19-0
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Post by spurred on Oct 11, 2009 20:48:18 GMT -6
I think not, they were playing to get back in the game, and it was only a two possession game.....
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Post by coachdoug on Oct 11, 2009 20:51:20 GMT -6
Well, it depends on a number of factors. The real question is whether or not the outcome of the game was still in question. A few things that will answer that question are: - Did they have more team speed than you? (It's pretty tough to score 2 quick TDs unless you can outrun the other team over long distances)
- Were they moving the ball on offense all day and just didn't punch it in or had you been stuffing them all game?
- Have you played this team before? If so, what was the outcome? (If you beat them easily earlier in the season or last year, you have a lot less to worry about than if this is a team that had beaten you previously.)
- What age group are we talking about? (The younger the age group, the less likely a last minute comeback.)
- Were all your starters still playing?
- Did you throw deep or was it a shorter throw with a lot of yards after the catch?
- Did you throw to your best stud?
I think you get the idea. As an example, we had a postseason game last year (11-12 yr olds) against a team that we had lost to in the regular season. We had comparable speed/athleticism. Early in the 4th quarter (probably 8 min remaining in the game), we had all our MPPs in and were moving the ball on the ground. We were at about their 20 yd line and they were loading up the box with 10-11 guys in the box, so we ran a play action pass to one of our MPPs, and he made the catch at about 5-10 yards and ran it into the endzone from there for the TD. Given the circumstances, I refuse to apologize or even feel the slightest bit of guilt for that play, even though we were up 30-6 at the time. In your situation, I doubt I would have passed in your situation, but it doesn't sound like it was something the other side should have thrown a fit about either, unless they had already started pulling all their starters themselves. |
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Post by los on Oct 11, 2009 22:57:49 GMT -6
I'd say no......and really don't care about the score or the time left in the game.....if you're on offense = "your job" is to try to score..... if we're playing defense = "our job" is to stop you from scoring....simple as that, to me.....If we're that bad, where the offense has to show mercy or lighten up on us = a few TD's one way or the other, isn't gonna help...lol...sorry, thats just the way I feel about it(and trust me, my teams and others that I was an asst. on, have been on the losing end of some lopsided whoopins at times)..... actually, this is also a good time in a game, to try a pass play (or any play, that you're not very confident of the execution) in a real game situation......so I'd say = great call....that was the right play called at the right time vs the right defensive alignment......the rest of that no class/bad sportmanship crap they hollered at you = don't worry about it......if they're reading this post, my advice is = play better defense, score some points of your own, and stop whining...... lol!
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Post by coachguy83 on Oct 13, 2009 12:34:08 GMT -6
You were only up by two scores and there was time on the clock. The score was only 12-0, so you weren't scoring at will. I would say that it wasn't horrible sportsmanship, because they were still theoretically in the game. All the factors that Coach Doug mentioned do have to be taken into account. If it was a 3rd and 4th graders game and you did that then it was a little worse than if it was a 7th and 8th grade game. Overall I would say that what you did was just fine and I would tell the other coach that if he is going to play to stop you from scoring, you are going to play to score.
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Post by coachriley on Oct 13, 2009 20:51:55 GMT -6
I have to agree with everyone else. If they have some good team speed, like coachdoug asked, then they are still very much in the game. If it was my team, I would have done the same thing. I have 9-10 year olds, and they need as much experience as they can get. Im going to keep trying to move down the field and score if there is still a chance of them coming back.
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Post by los on Oct 13, 2009 21:41:21 GMT -6
Yep....here's another scenario that just as easily could have happened......they get a pick 6 on the play action pass, make the pat.....12-7 now.....recover the onside kick with 2 minutes and something left and a short field.....drive the 50 yds and score, leaving no time left......now you guys lose 13-12......now what are they gonna holler at you = "you're a no class...bad sport"?.....or..... "good game coach, wow that was exciting?".......I mean, you called the same play, at the same time, in both examples.....I'd bet they choose the latter, since they won!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2009 10:24:50 GMT -6
get used to it dude...trust me...check your PM. I know exactly who you are referring to. Remember it's not your job to stop scoring...it's theirs to stop you from doing so .
I personally know they've done it.
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Post by justryn2 on Oct 18, 2009 9:59:12 GMT -6
No, you did not display bad sportsmanship but the opposing coaches did. IMO, far too many youth coaches b1tch and moan about things like the officials, the opposing coaches, the person running the clock, etc. To me, this just teaches your players that, if you don't like what's happening to you then find someone else to blame for it.
Youth football would do a lot more to actually teach important life lessons to players if coaches taught their teams to just keep playing as hard as possible no matter what happens.
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Post by sosadvisor on Oct 18, 2009 14:14:38 GMT -6
I don't think that you did. But then again I don't think running your offense is bad sportsmanship period. Doesn't matter if you up by 1 or 50. It not your job to stop your offense.
I was in this same situation. I was up by 20 in 4th. we stop them inside our 15 yrd line. I wanted to get out of that territory so I called a pass play. Never got caught. Next play we scored on a bootleg. At then end of the game, the other coach was so mad that I called a pass play. We won 44-18. The next day I call him to talk about what went down. His explanation was that by passing we don't give them a chance to defend it. (Really).
They are just mad that they lost. Thats all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2009 10:42:33 GMT -6
Let me put it to you this way...11 kids show at game, 1 gets hurt,..... now playing with 10...1 minute left in the game they are up 21-0, ......they throw a hook and lateral.
If I were you I would've thrown another one.
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Post by spurred on Oct 23, 2009 20:10:05 GMT -6
wow coach kell lol.....personally honestly if a team beats me 50-0 there is a reason....the fact that I DIDN'T HAVE MY PLAYERS PREPARED! that is why we got hammered. Too many people have egos that don't allow them to eat it. We have played three incredibly physical teams the first one we lost 19-0, I felt like in the second half we shut down, but I told the kids it was my fault on offense and that we would go back to work on monday and be ready the next team that was physical with us. The second team we lost 13-0, both of those scores were on blocked punts, but the kids played physical the entire game, so I told them that there was a moral victory ( I do believe in those at this age) and the third team we beat....we played our assignments and took what they gave us. They got so frustrated that in the second have we rolled them. To me bad sportsmanship is chants like "hit em hit em hurt em hurt em!" which we encountered in the the last game. that has no place in any level of sports. I have no problem with teams that are physical but when you get a helmet to helmet penalty on the second play of the game, and the coaches are cheering for the guy getting a penalty that has poor sportsmanship all over it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 20:24:40 GMT -6
wow coach kell lol.....personally honestly if a team beats me 50-0 there is a reason....the fact that I DIDN'T HAVE MY PLAYERS PREPARED! that is why we got hammered. Too many people have egos that don't allow them to eat it. We have played three incredibly physical teams the first one we lost 19-0, I felt like in the second half we shut down, but I told the kids it was my fault on offense and that we would go back to work on monday and be ready the next team that was physical with us. The second team we lost 13-0, both of those scores were on blocked punts, but the kids played physical the entire game, so I told them that there was a moral victory ( I do believe in those at this age) and the third team we beat....we played our assignments and took what they gave us. They got so frustrated that in the second have we rolled them. To me bad sportsmanship is chants like "hit em hit em hurt em hurt em!" which we encountered in the the last game. that has no place in any level of sports. I have no problem with teams that are physical but when you get a helmet to helmet penalty on the second play of the game, and the coaches are cheering for the guy getting a penalty that has poor sportsmanship all over it Yeah the reason, was we had a bunch of kids that never played, and there was only 10 of them. |
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Post by daveinsarasota on Oct 26, 2009 8:47:14 GMT -6
You are absolutly justified in your play call. The only time I will "lay up" is when the score is mercy rule...or it is less than 2 minutes with us winning, and no chance for them to come back. Other than that...all bets are off. You do what you need to, in the confines of the rules.
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Post by bigdog2003 on Oct 26, 2009 10:18:57 GMT -6
It's like a high school coach in our state said one time after hearing the other coach complaining that his team was beat 57-14 in the state championship game. "We run the wishbone from 2 tightends, if they can't tackle my 3rd team with their 1st team, that's his problem!"
I have to agree with that. If I sub my entire offense, and you still can't stop me, you didn't prepare your team or make adjustments.
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