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Post by bigdog2003 on Oct 5, 2009 12:39:27 GMT -6
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Post by airman on Oct 5, 2009 12:53:18 GMT -6
sounds like the head coach did not do his job and nor did the AD. Now it could have been just on oversight or it could be they did it on purpose. I can only imagine the pressure it must be at jenks to win.
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Post by bigdog2003 on Oct 5, 2009 13:11:42 GMT -6
I think it was one of those things where he was trying to help a kid out, without thinking of what might happen to him. The pressure he is under to win has to be terrible. 9 state titles in 12 years will put it on you.
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Post by coachks on Oct 5, 2009 18:15:02 GMT -6
Call me cynical, but a D1 recruit changing states and moving in with a coach just sounds fishy.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 5, 2009 18:35:48 GMT -6
Call me cynical, but a D1 recruit changing states and moving in with a coach just sounds fishy. I'm with you. Kind of surprised by some of the statements here. I have seen this a few times here in our area...
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Post by touchdownmaker on Oct 6, 2009 3:20:21 GMT -6
not referring to trimble here at all but just about PEOPLE in general, ...always amazing to see just how far people will bend rules, lie, cheat, steal in order to be "successful"
only hurts the kids.
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Post by coachsm3tty on Oct 6, 2009 5:12:25 GMT -6
It's all good until you tick the wrong people off. It is amazing what you will find when the light is shined in the right direction.
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Post by dsqa on Oct 7, 2009 20:54:14 GMT -6
I know a bit of what is going on here, and I know Trimble personally, and I can assure you, there is no need for Jenks to cheat to win. I have been a close observer of that program for years now and they win with kids they grow. They don't get a lot of transfers, and the ones they get aren't typically the level of this kid. He moved in last year with his mother because of a job change, as I understand it. Players who transfer typically trade up to go to Union, or Jenks, but Jenks doesn't get a lot of them, and the ones they get, don't always pan out. They really grow them - it is an uncanny development of players they have.
This process has a number of layers involved and Trimble did what he did for reasons that had nothing to do with gaining an unnecessary advantage. I don't know all the ins and outs, but one of their coaches is on my staff, so the little I do know doesn't support advantage. This guy wasn't even factor that much last year, and they didn't win the championship. He transferred out before the season began this year.
He is trying to protect the kids from a great deal of serious attacks from outside. I guess you win as much as they have, they are going to draw fire for anything that looks strange. The thread title says it all - "He suspended himself"
BTW, the "coach" in question wasn't a coach, but gray becomes black and white when people want heads to roll. Not suggesting things didn't go wrong, I don't know everything, but I know the men, and they are as genuine as they come. For my part, I will believe the best.
Not sure how this will play out, but Trimble is the real deal. One of the few I have met that genuinely and humbly pursues the best he can for the kids, and it is evident by how hard those kids play for each other.
I know there are many who will only see the outside and judge, but knowing the situation and the man to the degree I do, he is seeking to absorb as much of the hit as he can, so the kids don't have to take it. Not sure if that will make a difference, but he is trying to protect the season.
Just my two cents. Not everything here is at it appears.
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Oct 7, 2009 22:20:56 GMT -6
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Post by coachks on Oct 8, 2009 9:04:49 GMT -6
I know a bit of what is going on here, and I know Trimble personally, and I can assure you, there is no need for Jenks to cheat to win. I have been a close observer of that program for years now and they win with kids they grow. They don't get a lot of transfers, and the ones they get aren't typically the level of this kid. He moved in last year with his mother because of a job change, as I understand it. Players who transfer typically trade up to go to Union, or Jenks, but Jenks doesn't get a lot of them, and the ones they get, don't always pan out. They really grow them - it is an uncanny development of players they have. This process has a number of layers involved and Trimble did what he did for reasons that had nothing to do with gaining an unnecessary advantage. I don't know all the ins and outs, but one of their coaches is on my staff, so the little I do know doesn't support advantage. This guy wasn't even factor that much last year, and they didn't win the championship. He transferred out before the season began this year. He is trying to protect the kids from a great deal of serious attacks from outside. I guess you win as much as they have, they are going to draw fire for anything that looks strange. The thread title says it all - "He suspended himself" BTW, the "coach" in question wasn't a coach, but gray becomes black and white when people want heads to roll. Not suggesting things didn't go wrong, I don't know everything, but I know the men, and they are as genuine as they come. For my part, I will believe the best. Not sure how this will play out, but Trimble is the real deal. One of the few I have met that genuinely and humbly pursues the best he can for the kids, and it is evident by how hard those kids play for each other. I know there are many who will only see the outside and judge, but knowing the situation and the man to the degree I do, he is seeking to absorb as much of the hit as he can, so the kids don't have to take it. Not sure if that will make a difference, but he is trying to protect the season. Just my two cents. Not everything here is at it appears. I guess I'm still seeing a logical gap between a player from virginia living with a coach from Oklahoma. I obviously don't know all the facts, but since you know more perhaps you can explain. There may be a very rational explanation for it.
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Post by mitch on Oct 8, 2009 22:50:18 GMT -6
I tried to paste the link to the attorney's findings in the investigation into the Jenks program. Don't know if it will work, but it is some eye opening stuff. tulsaworld.com/jenksdocumentIt's something like 50 pages, though.
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Post by coachm on Oct 9, 2009 6:00:09 GMT -6
Very sorry to see this happen to the HC and the Jenks program.
It never ceases to amaze me how a HS football coach can be held to high standards but some of our country's highest political leaders can be tax cheats/whatever with no repercussions.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 9, 2009 6:37:31 GMT -6
Very sorry to see this happen to the HC and the Jenks program. It never ceases to amaze me how a HS football coach can be held to high standards but some of our country's highest political leaders can be tax cheats/whatever with no repercussions. While I understand your sentiments completely, I do think this particular type of thing is a different animal since the behavior in question could directly lead to success on the field. Those leaders would probably have repercussions if their behavior was linked to election tampering.
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Post by redbudfan on Oct 12, 2009 12:33:13 GMT -6
The kid couldn't have been to bad he has a scholarship to Oklahoma.
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Post by phantom on Oct 12, 2009 19:50:47 GMT -6
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Post by mitch on Oct 12, 2009 20:48:33 GMT -6
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Post by phantom on Oct 12, 2009 20:54:35 GMT -6
Because it's not 50 pages long.
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Post by mitch on Oct 12, 2009 20:58:55 GMT -6
Very true, but you can skim it.
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Post by phantom on Oct 12, 2009 21:14:21 GMT -6
Very true, but you can skim it. I'm not from Oklahoma so I'm only curious. The biggest question that I had was the same as others- how a kid from Virginia came to move to Oklahoma. That was answered in the article.
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Post by lgoody on Oct 12, 2009 22:07:02 GMT -6
While the truth is likely somewhere in between the "JENKS CHEATS" clan and the sympathetic article, I don't think the situation is as bad as things I've seen or heard about in North Carolina. Certainly a far cry from what I expected.
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Post by dsqa on Oct 13, 2009 19:38:57 GMT -6
The sad thing going unmentioned in the AREA media in OK is the AD, guidance counselor, et al that cleared Lake to play and declared him eligible. They really are crushing this man - I understand that there are libelous things being said. Wow, may God spare me from such a mob. Not suggesting anyone here is going after him hard - we're just reeling from the story - but it's pretty bad in Tulsa.
Jenks didn't win the State Championship last year with Lake. However, they had won 9 of the previous 12 prior to Lake and back to back before him - does it really make sense to think they would intentionally endanger their situation for 1 athlete when they have won without it for so long?
Every story has two sides, and the more I hear about this story, the more I am convinced that there is only one side coming out, and its a sad day for a good man.
I was an AD and Head Football Coach, and while I certainly can see how some of these things would look to the reader. Just leave out a few things, or add a few things, and it can be made to look any way you want. If this kind of thorough study of every kid in every program was done, I am sure there would be many kids in strange circumstances.
I don't ignore the poor decisions made to let Jarrett participate in practices and camps, but in context, those opportunities look more consistent with trying to give a kid a chance to be involved, not trying to gain advantage if he had paperwork in, etc. I am sure if you went down the street and evaluated other successful programs in the area, you would find things that didn't add up, but when you aren't winning I guess no one is sending in anonymous e-mails about you.
I can only imagine what would have happened if someone had interviewed 11 different people, all seeking to protect their reputations on some level, about things I said and did with kids in my programs over the years.
I never broke the rules with malice, or intent to benefit my program, and without the full story from Trimble, this is just a report of the events from one individual 's vantage point - and it is assumed that this individual, and the recollection of the 11 others is completely unbiased in every way.
This is a tough, tough situation, and a great study in the human condition - imperfect, and indiscernible in terms of motive of the heart - only God knows what each was thinking.
I refer back to the original thread heading, "Trimble suspends himself..." When you want to see a man's intent and character, you have to take a lot more into account than one situation, which is what is at issue, and especially more than one man's account of the facts as they are laid out. The way a man handles these accusations can say as much about his intent as the actual story that is recalled.
It is just too easy to spin. It would be a grave mistake to assume that Trimble would knowingly jeopardize such a body of work as he had amassed at Jenks for 15 years, for one kid so cavalierly as they painted.
Did he make mistakes in this process? Yes, but all of them can be understood in a different light if you know the man, and that is what is left out of the docs - and that is too bad, because it doesn't take that into account - nor is it intended too. This is about the letter of the law. There are administrative timelines and paperwork that are not brought into the discussion which can easily turn those mistakes into grievous evil intent.
This is why it is so darn hard to be a Head Coach anywhere, because the rules exist in spirit and in letter, and in that gap lies the rub for any man's conscience in trying to help a kid. Even if it might put you at risk. He certainly, according to the rules, crossed some lines, but to who's benefit ultimately? Jarret has a full ride to OU, and is playing at another school. The man who helped him is being lynched, and we don't know what we don't know. The whole Hargrave thing is a debacle.
Jarrett Lake wasn't their best player last year, nor was he their best receiver, but none of that matters...
It is the simple appearance of impropriety that matters in today's world, which guarantees that no one can truly succeed in every way, the right way. Just look at the rules on D1 coaches - They have to have an entire compliance office devoted to following the rules, and they still break the rules, everyday! My son is playing for a D1 school right now, and they are breaking the spirit of the rules in ways that are irritating to me as a parent, but hey, everybody does it. That is what Rodriguez had to defend - spirit vs. letter - it is a slippery place.
Someone much greater than me said, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone." As I recall, not one stone flew that day He said. Why? I think it made each man look at himself without prejudice, and they found no innocence in themselves to start chucking. If I did that more in my life, I would probably judge a lot less. I am not defending the rules infractions, I am just seeking to offer a character support, because it appears that will go unnoticed if someone doesn't speak up for the man.
In the end, Allan will have to address the mistakes he made and how they were made based on what he knew, or thought he knew, and hopefully his total body of work will be considered in context as it is decided.
But which of us would survive this kind of scrutiny in our simple efforts to help a kid succeed. I know what he has done for all kinds of kids in his program that didn't get scholarships, and he didn't need this one to win - he already showed he could do that.
I just hope someday when, not if, my name is attached to this kind of evaluation, people will look deeper than an attorney's report of the events. do we really believe that an attorney's intentions are the only pure ones here?
God help us if that is the case, and help Allan Trimble, one of the kindest and biggest hearted coaches I have ever known.
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