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Post by coachcb on Oct 3, 2009 17:07:46 GMT -6
So, I'm pretty tight with a lot of guys that I've coached with (coached in two programs while in college) and I heard a story from two of them at a former program that I coached at that floored me. Now, I would like to believe that this story is hear-say, but I really doubt it, the fellows I talked with are pretty good friends of the HC involved.
So, the team in question lost a 21-13 battle to the #2 team in the state, a team that won last year's state title. The kids and coaches head to the end-zone after the game. Apparently, the HC walks up to the kids, tells them that he 'doesn't have an f'ing thing to say to them', turns his back and heads to the locker room. The parents went ape on him in the stands; calling him a poor loser, etc..etc..
Now, I had no issues with this HC when I coached with him, NONE AT ALL. He did have a bad temper but he seemed to control it well back then..
But I am really interested to hear how the communities and the administrations you coach in/for would have responded to this situation.
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Post by airraid77 on Oct 3, 2009 17:20:46 GMT -6
I have heard and seen a lot worse...... and have no problem with what he did.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Oct 3, 2009 20:30:57 GMT -6
no cursing. Not really good role model thing...na mean?
part two...what if the players didnt speak to the coach after a loss? seems to me that the players adn coach are in it together.
to compete and perform and not have feedback from the instructor seems silly.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 3, 2009 22:11:54 GMT -6
I have heard and seen a lot worse...... and have no problem with what he did. So, you're telling me that, after watching your kids battle it out against one of the best teams in the state, you'd turn your back on them? Wow... That sends a great message to the kids. If you lose, you're welcome to throw a temper tantrum and walk away from your team. What has it accomplished? NOTHING. The kids know they lost,why beat that fact into them and then give them the cold shoulder. And, he didn't just turn his back on the kids, he turned it on the whole program. The very same night, we lost to a team that, for all intents and purposes, we should have beaten. We battled it out in double overtime and lost. It was a great game. Our HC pulled the kids together afterward and praised them for playing a hard through a tough game and fighting to the end. Our OC and DC did the same thing. And that is why our HC is one of the best in the state; a classy guy all around and a true leader. And, it's also why he runs one of the best programs in the state and the region.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 4, 2009 12:03:11 GMT -6
I would say almost the same thing, but in a positive way.
"I have nothing to say to you, because you gave everything you had and played the game of your lives. It's just unfortunate that we came out just short of winning."
So, essentially the same thing, but voicing disappointment in the situation not the kids.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Oct 4, 2009 12:22:47 GMT -6
I've always been taught that a team wins together and loses together. A coach is part of the team.
I guess the coach either took the loss personally and didn't think or he believes this'll help raise the standards by demonstrating that losing is unacceptable, even to a great team. Personally, I don't see what is gained by taking something the kids could be proud of and immediately dumping all over it. It wouldn't surprise me if a few kids quit the team over the weekend because of that.
If that happened around here, the better connected parents would've already started compiling a list of "possible replacements" on Sat. As for admin's response, that would depend on the school. A lot of incompetent/apathetic administrators around here, I'm finding out.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 4, 2009 17:08:23 GMT -6
I coached with and under the AD of the school and I wouldn't be surprised if there are some serious consequences for the coach in this situation. But, it's a very blue collar community and I know that the kids hear a whole lot worse at home, so I don't know how seriously the community took it.
I know that if I were still an assistant on that staff, I would've jumped the HC in his office after that kind of display. And I wouldn't be polite about it either; you don't treat your kids like that.
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Post by blb on Oct 4, 2009 18:31:07 GMT -6
This is HS athletics, an extension of the school (educational process).
Tell the truth but always find something positive to say - give them a reason to keep coming back with a fire in their belly.
Too many head coaches (of which I'm one) let their ego get in the way of their duties to their kids.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 5, 2009 6:31:13 GMT -6
My origianl question still stands; how would the community and administration of your programs deal with this?
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Oct 5, 2009 6:55:53 GMT -6
He'd get reprimanded.
In our community the kids win the games, the coaches lose them- the blame would come back on us
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Post by blb on Oct 5, 2009 6:56:29 GMT -6
My origianl question still stands; how would the community and administration of your programs deal with this? Some in community, especially if they had a problem with coach before, would be upset; some would think it was okay; some wouldn't care. If it happened here, I would be called on the carpet for an explanation from our AD and probably receive at least an oral reprimand, if not written, and admonished that a similar occurrence in the future could result in my contract not being renewed.
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Post by airraid77 on Oct 5, 2009 7:07:51 GMT -6
where I am at. those go to the ad who is the head coach. the head coach has all the money people in his coach-parent organization,so anything that gets brought to the attention of the hc gets pushed under a pile of paper(and money)
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Post by coachcb on Oct 5, 2009 8:16:51 GMT -6
where I am at. those go to the ad who is the head coach. the head coach has all the money people in his coach-parent organization,so anything that gets brought to the attention of the hc gets pushed under a pile of paper(and money) How do you get by the school board? You're generally dealing with individuals who have ties/kids to or in the school? They're the ones that ultimately do the hiring/firing. You rub them wrong in this state and you're SOL.
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