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Post by phantom on Oct 2, 2009 12:00:06 GMT -6
A lot of people here have posted that they either hate or are indifferent to pro football. Whether you like it or not, though, I believe that you need to pay attention to it because our kids and fans are getting their knowledge of the game from what they hear on TV. Here's a message on the Federation Rules of the Game thread: coachhuey.com/index.cgi?board=federation&action=display&thread=33212&page=1>>>>>We played a game this year in which our headsets went out after the first series. I told the ref on our sideline and he asked me what I wanted him to do about it. I asked him if the home team was supposed to supply visitors headsets or if they had to take theirs off. He said he had no idea. I was relating this story to a reporter this week and he was livid. He said that there was a rule that if one team's headsets are not operational and there is no backup set, the other team must remove theirs. Now I know better to listen to reporters about this kind of stuff but I was just wondering if there was anything addressing this in the rulebook. <<<<<<< The answer, BTW, is "No. Not the officials's problem". The point is that a lot of people, including your kids, do not understand the difference between NFL rules and ours so we have to consider that in our coaching. * The punt team needs to be told during installation that they do NOT need to wait until the ball is kicked to release to cover the kick. * DBs and WRs both need to understand that there is NO 5 yard chuck rule in HS football. * HS QBs have to be taught that under Federation rules they may NOT throw the ball away when they're out of the pocket (unless there's a receiver in the area). So, like it or not, watch it or not, other people are watching and we need to understand the pro game if only so that we can coach the players on the differences. |
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Post by spreadattack on Oct 2, 2009 15:44:47 GMT -6
good post. The 5 yard rule thing bugs the hell out of me. You absolutely hear that from everyone -- fans, parents, hell even players.
One of the funnier but tragic examples of this happens a lot even in major college ball, when a player tries to acrobatically down a punt without touching a part of his body in the end zone a la the NFL rules, when they are far slacker at the lower levels.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 2, 2009 18:45:49 GMT -6
We had a coach screaming that a pass was un-catchable on a pass interference call last night at our game. I felt bad telling him on the head sets that there is no un-catchable in HS
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Post by brophy on Oct 2, 2009 18:59:17 GMT -6
We need to watch the NFL because other people are morons? I guess I don't follow. Why do I need to watch a game or follow it? Can't I be kept abreast of the NFL just by getting an earful of SportsCenter, which is exactly what will be regurgitated in this idiocy scenarios?
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Post by khalfie on Oct 2, 2009 19:04:07 GMT -6
Why follow the Nfl? Maybe because its the highest level of the game, played by some of the most phenomenal athletes to walk the planet? I laugh at guys trying to find values and morality on the football field... If you aren't looking for blocks and tackles... then yeah, stop watching...  |
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Post by airraid77 on Oct 2, 2009 20:01:05 GMT -6
I would like to see the team who doesnt run some form of four wide, zone read in college. any takers?
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 2, 2009 21:32:19 GMT -6
* The punt team needs to be told during installation that they do NOT need to wait until the ball is kicked to release to cover the kick. Heck, I had to explain that in 2007 (after conferring with officials just before our 1st game) to the head coach of our youth sports organiz'n, who had installed "gunners" (he called them "killers") on our punt team, telling the other players they had to wait! He had recently been coach of an adult minor league team, where their rules are based on NFL's. So...does that mean in addition to paying att'n to the NFL, we have to follow minor league men's & women's, Canadian, etc.? Because you never know what the players will know. In fact in 2008, some of my players accused me of trying to turn our game into rugby, because they were familiar with rugby! |
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Post by phantom on Oct 2, 2009 21:32:28 GMT -6
We need to watch the NFL because other people are morons? I guess I don't follow. Why do I need to watch a game or follow it? Can't I be kept abreast of the NFL just by getting an earful of SportsCenter, which is exactly what will be regurgitated in this idiocy scenarios? Didn't say you have to watch it, just be familiar with it. |
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Post by endersgame on Oct 3, 2009 10:25:47 GMT -6
I watch the NFL because I grew up on it, and I love the 24/7 lifestyle it forces on the organizations. Those are the only reasons.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 3, 2009 10:57:23 GMT -6
I personally don't enjoy the NFL because there's no variety in scheme; on either side of the ball. I still watch a few games a year, just because I enjoy football, but I prefer college football. I like watching GT, Air Force and Navy; because there's a contrast in schemes between them and the team they're playing.
Plus, there's more at stake for a college football team each week; every game counts. In the NFL, I hear too much of the 'play well enough to get into the playoffs; that's when it counts'. And I really hate the financial politics that go on in the NFL; too much ego and money involved. So you're holding out on camp because you want an a few extra seven figures in money??? And just because you and you're agent feel that you're as talented as so-and-so. Yeah, sh-t on your team and the fans because you're a greedy moron.
I will admit, I still get caught up in the differences in rules, but that's just because I don't keep up on it as much as I should. I understand the majority of the rules, so it's not a huge deal. I guess I am kind of a dumba-- in that respect.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 3, 2009 11:03:52 GMT -6
Why follow the Nfl? Maybe because its the highest level of the game, played by some of the most phenomenal athletes to walk the planet? I laugh at guys trying to find values and morality on the football field... If you aren't looking for blocks and tackles... then yeah, stop watching... I would have to agree with khalfie here...I know..amazing ;D ... but with one caveat. I think one needs to recognize that NFL football is a different sport than the one most of us coach. Not vastly different, but it is fundamentally different due to player sizes/speeds/abilities and some rule modifications. The NBA is a different sport than college basketball (which is a different sport than HS basketball). Boxing instructors can still follow MMA, even though that is not the same as boxing. Same with freestyle or greco-roman wrestling coaches. I haven't been a big football "fan" in quite a while. I don't really have "teams" other than those with friends who are coaching, or ex players playing playing. However, I do enjoy how the NFL seasons have been unfolding, with the networks doing a nice job covering the "entertainment value drama" of the season. I enjoy NFL football because of the major sports it is the one where each game counts most. I do enjoy how the first 4 weeks are exciting because everyone has a "chance", the 2nd four weeks, teams are finding their places, the 3rd four weeks injuries and other issues from the season start popping up, and the last 4 weeks is the scramble to make the playoffs. I enjoy following the NFL because of the tremendous camera work and ...gasp..yes highlights. Great athletes making great plays is entertaining to me. I like saying "Did you see that". I also like being able to relate with the kiddies I teach, who really only know the top tier local NFL guys.. like drew brees and reggie bush (maybe if I lived in gainsville they would know Tebow...LOL) Granted, I watched a lot less of the NFL when I was coaching at the college level (read: none...lol..no college games either ) and a limited amount when I was coaching at the H.S. level. Now, while "semi retired" and just helping a buddy with his jr high team, I find myself able to open up more to some of those things. Watching the NFL to add something to your program is probably as useful as installing the Madden or NCAA playbook as your offense. Watching because you enjooy the entertainment value is fun. |
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Post by tiger46 on Oct 3, 2009 11:27:37 GMT -6
I know that my post has no value on the topic. I've not been a big NFL fan for a few years, either. But this year, I went to the Cowboys vs. 49'ers pre-season game. It was great to finally see a pro level game in person. The size and speed of the players, the communication going on between them, the coverages and passes were all above anything that I've ever seen at lower levels- including D1 college.
I especially liked the timing routes that were thrown. I'm not saying I've never seen timing routes thrown at lower levels. But, the frequency and accuracy at the NFL level was exciting to watch. I could also see defensive adjustments and what the players on both sides were reacting to a lot better than when watching at home.
admittedly, the TV timeouts, etc... sucked. I think that I have not become more of a fan of the NFL in general. But, I have become more of a fan of going to watch an NFL game live.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 3, 2009 11:28:57 GMT -6
The worst part of the NFL is when HS coaches watch it and then create schemes that are used in the league with HS players. Ala cover two with locked corners in squated and funnelling to the inside, with safeties at 14 yards and OLB's in a sixty or seventy tech. Yeah, you can do it, but when you are dealing with slow kids from idaho, you are exposing yourself.
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Post by airraid77 on Oct 3, 2009 11:41:13 GMT -6
I just dont understand the hatred of the NFL. It blows me away.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 3, 2009 11:59:46 GMT -6
The worst part of the NFL is when HS coaches watch it and then create schemes that are used in the league with HS players. Ala cover two with locked corners in squated and funnelling to the inside, with safeties at 14 yards and OLB's in a sixty or seventy tech. Yeah, you can do it, but when you are dealing with slow kids from idaho, you are exposing yourself. I agree with this completely....I have seen it happen a lot, but then again, every other team we play this year are running zone read option and Air Raid concepts. I also like college football because the schemes become cyclical; everyone is running zone read offenses right now, defenses are seeing it every week and it's becoming less effective in many ways. Paul Johnson is dominating people with his true 'spread option' offense, because people only see it once a year. Who knows what we'll see 5 years down the road; maybe half of the country will be running SBV!! I like that college teams have gone away from the NFL offenses; you see more variety in schemes every week. The NFL just never changes; it's the same schemes every week. It really is the 'NFL' offense; Iso, Power, IZ, OZ, and West Coast passing packages. It's actually what our offenses runs, for the most part, but we've been doing it for years with success. But, we are different from the rest of the teams in our conference, because we haven't gone 'trendy'. So, again, it's all a cycle; because started running zone blitzes, teams had to start running zone blocking. Teams are running a lot of option, so defenses have to play assignment football again. But, it's a cycle that you really only see in college and hs football; you don't see it in the NFL. |
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Post by airraid77 on Oct 3, 2009 13:47:56 GMT -6
The worst part of the NFL is when HS coaches watch it and then create schemes that are used in the league with HS players. Ala cover two with locked corners in squated and funnelling to the inside, with safeties at 14 yards and OLB's in a sixty or seventy tech. Yeah, you can do it, but when you are dealing with slow kids from idaho, you are exposing yourself. Coach orr, to an exstent your right. If your doing it or putting it in the sunday after watching monte kiffin run on sunday or now on saturday. But if you have done the homework and you truly believe in what Kiffin does or Saban does, and you havent waited till week 6 to install, then its all relative. Because your not playing against STA who has 19 D1 athletes every week. In Idaho their is no such thing. Most of the time your playing teams who have equal talent levels. |
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Post by endersgame on Oct 4, 2009 12:07:29 GMT -6
After seeing that personal foul penalty called on a Kansas City DB (the next play the Giants scored on a post by the slot), I'm beginning to rethink my interest in the NFL.
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Post by endersgame on Oct 4, 2009 12:10:27 GMT -6
After seeing that personal foul penalty called on a Kansas City DB (the next play the Giants scored on a post by the slot), I'm beginning to rethink my interest in the NFL.
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Post by airman on Oct 4, 2009 13:58:11 GMT -6
We had a coach screaming that a pass was un-catchable on a pass interference call last night at our game. I felt bad telling him on the head sets that there is no un-catchable in HS I had a ref tell me there was an uncatchable rule in high school football. |
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Post by oguru on Oct 4, 2009 14:02:58 GMT -6
I don't really like the NFL,but ahve a lot of friends who coach at that level, and thats why I watch it. Othewise I would just watch my gamefilm on Sundays and do my offensive self scout analysis.
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 4, 2009 17:14:43 GMT -6
I just dont understand the hatred of the NFL. It blows me away. I see some hatred out there. But are you also mistaking indifference for hatred? Lumping together those who don't care about the NFL with those who positively and strongly dislike it? |
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Post by airraid77 on Oct 4, 2009 17:20:32 GMT -6
I just dont understand the hatred of the NFL. It blows me away. I see some hatred out there. But are you also mistaking indifference for hatred? Lumping together those who don't care about the NFL with those who positively and strongly dislike it? dont care for it and hate are two different items and I know the difference. |
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Post by airraid77 on Oct 5, 2009 7:00:40 GMT -6
If anyone heard or saw the Ravens game...that's why I do not watch the NFL anymore. But I did like Rodney Harrison's comments to Tom Brady on Football night in America. so when they implement those rules in the HS, and they will force you to stop coaching? I am the first to admit that the rules are getting rediculous. but the stupid rules wouldnt stop me from watching,nor would any of the other stupid stuff that goes along with it. The bottom line is that it is football. |
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Post by airraid77 on Oct 5, 2009 9:12:21 GMT -6
I am not defending the NFL rules. I hate them as much if not more. My point is that it is still football.
I think their is going to be revolt by NFLPA at some point. You heard it from ray lewis...your hearing it from the legends......They agree with you and I, its getting rediculous.
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Post by phantom on Oct 5, 2009 9:15:14 GMT -6
I am not defending the NFL rules. I hate them as much if not more. My point is that it is still football. I think their is going to be revolt by NFLPA at some point. You heard it from ray lewis...your hearing it from the legends......They agree with you and I, its getting rediculous. Forget the NFLPA on this one. With a lockout looming and negotiating a new CBA they have bigger fish to fry. |
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Post by airraid77 on Oct 5, 2009 9:20:20 GMT -6
I am not defending the NFL rules. I hate them as much if not more. My point is that it is still football. I think their is going to be revolt by NFLPA at some point. You heard it from ray lewis...your hearing it from the legends......They agree with you and I, its getting rediculous. Forget the NFLPA on this one. With a lockout looming and negotiating a new CBA they have bigger fish to fry. if you think the rules arent part of the negotiations. PFFT! with the owners asking for their own money back, they will have to give something. |
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Post by phantom on Oct 5, 2009 9:22:37 GMT -6
Forget the NFLPA on this one. With a lockout looming and negotiating a new CBA they have bigger fish to fry. if you think the rules arent part of the negotiations. PFFT! with the owners asking for their own money back, they will have to give something. Hmm- rules,money; rules, money. Wonder what the players priority will be. |
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Post by airraid77 on Oct 5, 2009 9:29:50 GMT -6
I dont doubt the players want their money. but so do the owners. and their wont be any money to be made if their is a lockout. The uncapped year has all sorts of nasty little nuggets that really dont benefit anybody. other things will come out ala protection of certain players....
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Post by Coach JR on Oct 5, 2009 9:29:54 GMT -6
I watch to try to learn. I don't follow any certain team. I do try to keep up with former Auburn players. Watched San Diego at P'burg last night, and the camera suspended over the field shows some very good stuff. P'burg's run game was outstanding, and #68, the LG for P'burg was absolutely blowing up folks run blocking! He landed some devistating blows on SD LB'ers when pulling. When you consider the type of athlete he was absolutely abusing, it boggles the mind. Like it or hate it, whatever the rules...you gotta admire the athletes, and you gotta admire it when an offense, or defense is putting on a clinic like the Steelers did last night on offense.
By the way, I only recently learned that there was no uncatchable rule in HS.
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Post by coache67 on Oct 5, 2009 9:32:35 GMT -6
I watch the NFL b/c I love that empty feeling in my stomach when the Browns lose yet again...
Just kidding!
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