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Post by tiger46 on Sept 21, 2009 14:56:44 GMT -6
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Post by coachdoug on Sept 21, 2009 15:25:12 GMT -6
Coach - if you're running the system you described, you HAVE to be able to make the defense pay for not respecting your wideouts with Bubble and Smoke Screens. These are very easy passes to complete (especially smoke), and if you get any block at all on the CB, you should get 5-7+ yards every time you run it if they are not putting someone head up on your slot. Focus on making those plays work first - once you start executing them in games, just keep running them until the defense adjusts by sending at least one LB out to cover one of the slots - that should help open up the box to run the ball. Also, if the defense is playing Cover-0 with the safety over one of your slots, you should be able to run Smoke & Go, or Bubble and Go (fake either one and have the blocker "miss" his block and continue deep - he'll be wide open for an easy TD), after you've run Smoke & Bubble a few times and they start cheating up on it.
You don't really need to throw vertically as much as you need to throw hortizontally - get the ball to your best athletes in space on the perimeter with a blocker and good things should happen. Then when they take defenders out of the box to shut that down, you should have the numbers you need to run the ball effectively.
BTW, make sure your wideouts are lining up wide enough - you want the slots at least 6-8 yards from the OT and the wideouts another 6-8 yards wider than the slots.
If your QB can't make those throws or freezes up under game pressure, you need to find a new QB. Good luck.
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 21, 2009 20:44:33 GMT -6
I think the trouble is most 12U defense coaches have the judgement to realize not many passers that age can put enough zip on the ball to keep loose DBs from closing on it, and that even on teams that do have such a passer many of their receivers aren't good at catching such a ball. But maybe your offensive players do have that ability and aren't exercising it.
When I was testing out our players (same age) last year, I had them do a drill to see just how open our receivers had to be with various passers -- testing not just the throwing & catching, but also the ability to find the open receiver under a rush. We did have one better than avg. passer and enough receiving ability to take some advantage, but I suggest you get an accurate and honest assessment before proceeding.
You're not going to move defenders out of the box just by showing them wide receivers while using primarily a running game.
You say you have fly sweep. You should be able to audible to throw immediately at any of several points to the flanker in fly motion if he comes uncovered. Also, if they're in cover 0 and come up to stop the fly sweep, if your fly cuts upfield at the far edge he may be able to immediately get behind the cover player. The other weak point is the near edge if the CB comes off coverage too early; your fly can slant across in front.
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Post by coachdoug on Sept 21, 2009 22:31:47 GMT -6
I agree with a lot of what Bob says - that is exactly why the abillity to throw the WR screens is so important. Given that you're in a house non-select league, the likelihood that you have a QB that can make accurate reads and throws under pressure and receivers that can run correct patterns and catch the ball in traffic is probably near zero. However, a large percentage of 12 year olds can make the bubble/smoke throw (it's only about 15-20 yards straight down down the line to a nearly stationary target). They are also very easy passes to catch, so there is a good probability that you can find a couple kids on your team that can do it. Pressure shouldn't be an issue since the ball is thrown immediately upon receiving the snap. You have to coach up a couple kids to make the necessary blocks. You only need one kid that can make the (relatively easy) throw, and a couple kids that can catch it (even one is probably enough) and a couple that can make the blocks (again, you can get by with just one). If you have that, you should have enough to force the opposing defenses to respect your wideouts and open up some inside running lanes - even if you never come close to having any kind of drop back passing game or any downfield threats at all.
BTW, I also agree that Fly/Jet sweep and all it's complementary plays should be a staple of your run game.
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 22, 2009 11:51:12 GMT -6
On an immediate throw, cut blocking the front side is ideal. However, if you have 2 WRs on the side you're throwing to and you've been throwing a hitch or immediate look-in a lot, expect to have to arc the ball over a defender who's come up in press coverage on the near receiver, to get the ball to the far receiver. (It'd be illegal for your inside WR to go downfield at all to block his cover player if the pass goes downfield.) Just showing you can get the ball out there once should be enough to keep the defense from leaving the outside receiver uncovered. So if you have 4 wideouts and are doing these quick throws you should be able to keep 4 defenders out of the box.
If they're really pressing, then there are tricks you can pull by motioning a flanker past a split end, like a crossing pattern in your own backfield except that you can block. If the throw is very flat, be careful -- it might be a lateral.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 22, 2009 16:59:36 GMT -6
I believe our players are coached soundly but we have difficulty running the ball vs stacked box Any suggestions? I don't have the time or ability to install a new offense this far into the season but I'd like to be successful this year. Thoughts? Not to sound like a jerk but...why? This isn't going to work. You have just said you don't think this will work. You have two choices, get your players to do what you want them to do (which you just said you don't think they can) OR change what you want them to do. 2nights plus a walk through? Plenty enough time to install some type of gap/kick scheme. 75% of youth offensive football is simply getting the OL to come off the ball aggressively with low pad level. Not plays. |
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Post by brophy on Sept 22, 2009 17:34:07 GMT -6
What can you do to hurt C0 when you can't throw well enough?
It doesn't take any athletic superiority to slow the defemse down or torture their man -blitz look by exposing them to
1) Freeze (no play)
2) Tempo (quick, fast, slow)
3) Motions and shifts
4) Roll out / sprint out
5) Slo-screen (missle)
If you are getting man coverage, your bubble/fast screens WON'T work (if your opponent has anyone that actually can play)..
You have to decide what you want to do; throw deep (doesn't sound like it is possible), bring more people to protect, (speed) option, move the pocket, or create a rub/pick matchup. There aren't many other choices you have
Not sure what your protection is and the happy-feet is understandable, but flaring the back out (from the box) on a flare/shoot could
help create a matchup problem, as well as, double-screens (slo). Jhanawa has some good youth screen game stuff to check out
But the key will be to doing LESS and not more
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Post by davecisar on Sept 22, 2009 18:56:32 GMT -6
We run the Single Wing both traditional and from a spread set.
We Jet Sweep out of the Spread SW and run our base counters, traps, wedge, powers under the jet.
Has been effective in spreading teams out. We do run PA passes off of everything we do, short, simple high probability passes.
The defense has to loosen up, if they don't we make em pay one way or another.
Has worked very well for us- 105-14 and score a ton of points every year.
You can do a lot with what you have without throwing accurately down the field 30 yards.
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Post by jhanawa on Sept 22, 2009 20:27:20 GMT -6
After reading your post noting that the kid is a "great practice player" but has confidence issues in the game, the obvious thing to me is scale it down and find something that he can do well. Get good at that and get him some confidence, an example suggestion might be to line up in trips and have him throw hitch to the short side receiver or sprint out to the trips side.... a great, high percentage pattern to sprint to is snag, #1 snag, #2 corner, #3 arrow, good against man or zone....just being able to do these two things will open up everything else....
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Post by los on Sept 22, 2009 21:36:44 GMT -6
Ha Ha.....coach d5085.......thinking back, that last sentence pretty much tells the tale of my youth coaching career......"75% of youth offensive football is simply getting the offensive line to come off the ball aggressively, with low pad level"......when we could do that = we only needed a few simple plays, they worked well, we scored points and I looked really smart(almost like I knew what I was doing, lol)... ;D...when we didn't do it = nothing much worked, we didn't score much and were otherwise not very successful offensively, and I looked less like a football coach and more like an out of place auto mechanic, lol.  |
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Post by coachayinde on Sept 23, 2009 2:29:44 GMT -6
highlights from my first 2 games. WE HAVE OUTSCORED THE OPPOSITION 81 TO 0.
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