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Post by 19delta on Sept 5, 2009 15:44:57 GMT -6
Ok... You make some good points. I agree. ;D Holy $hit! H3ll must have froze over and the Cubs must have won the pennant! ;D |
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Post by fbdoc on Sept 5, 2009 15:48:40 GMT -6
As one of the few die hard Duck fans on this board I'll go ahead and weigh in. Blount already had issues before this one. Tremendous talent - YES. Supreme Knucklehead - YES! Thug? maybe he is. I'm ok with the season long suspension. Don't know if I would keep him with the team though...
Coach Kelly avoids the typical hypocrisy of most coaches - those who say "we are not going to turn our back on a member of our family... He needs football or He needs structure..." by saying Blount won't play the rest of the season (although who knows what will happen 4-5 weeks from now?).
I always chuckle when coaches say they're trying to "save" or "help" these kids who usually are key players for them. You seldom if ever hear a coach trying to "save" a marginal player who has ran afoul... Coach Kelly has shown some serious stones by stating that Blount is done playing.
We always preach to our kids that talking back or hitting back is the most blatant form of selfishness that a football player can ever commit. Retaliating to another players hit/punch - during a game - almost always results in that 15 yard penalty that just kills whatever your team just accomplished. Instead of just sucking it up, and then hitting the player "within the rules of football" a selfish kid who is only thinking of himself will always find ways to hurt the team. Even though the game was over, Blount hurt his team. He also probably hurt his future, although I won't be at all surprised to see him at the NFL Combine this year.
Final thoughts - its just a game guys, especially for us at high school and youth. There are a hundred more important lessons we can teach our players about being men than telling them "not walk away from a fight" and this was no fight!
As a loyal fan, I loved Blount scoring TD's for my Ducks. I am embarrassed and disgusted at his total inability to withstand some taunting.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 5, 2009 15:56:21 GMT -6
"Earlier Friday, Petersen said Hout will be disciplined internally for his actions but will not miss any game time.
"We're not good with it," Petersen said about Hout's taunting of Blount. "It always takes two to tangle. Those are things we preach about every day around here. We just need to keep our mouths closed ... and let our play speak for itself."
Weak. Lip service on Peterson's part. Your guy is a $hit-talking punk. Sit him next week.
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Post by windigo on Sept 6, 2009 3:35:30 GMT -6
Blount needs to be susupended for the whole season, as he was, and Hout deserves a suspension for a game or two as well. What Hout did was a stupid thing that a lot of kids do that results in little more than a 15 yard penalty and some extra conditioning come Monday. We don't even kick them out of the game for it. Its one warning. It takes two to get ejected. Its not his fault that Blount totally flew off the handle and his punishment should not be based on Blount's reaction. |
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Post by khalfie on Sept 6, 2009 6:39:34 GMT -6
Ok... You make some good points. I agree. ;D Holy $hit! H3ll must have froze over and the Cubs must have won the pennant! ;D You see what I did there? I'm full of surprises... coming out of the box in the '09! I'm a mover, I'm a shaker... I'm a chamelion... I'm an enigma wrapped up in a riddle, surrounded by mystery!  |
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Post by charger109 on Sept 6, 2009 9:43:52 GMT -6
Why was the term "Thug" player used? We don't know that kid. Does anyone here know what Thug means? He made a mistake(a dumb one), but what the Boise St kid did was what.... not "Thuggish"?
I just think we should be mindful of what terms we use to difine a situation, let alone a person.
Again, he was WRONG, they Both were WRONG, but I would't lable someone over one mistake.
Not saying anyone is, but MANY people read this board.
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Post by blb on Sept 6, 2009 10:04:52 GMT -6
It has been well-documented in both national and local (Oregon) media that Blount has had previous behavioral-discipline issues while a Duck.
Is he a "thug"? Don't know. But apparently Kelly and Mike Bellotti thought this incident, perhaps in light of his earlier problems, warranted the end of his Oregon playing career.
He embarrassed himself, family, team and school in a big way on a big stage.
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Post by phantom on Sept 6, 2009 10:19:36 GMT -6
Why was the term "Thug" player used? We don't know that kid. Does anyone here know what Thug means? He made a mistake(a dumb one), but what the Boise St kid did was what.... not "Thuggish"? I just think we should be mindful of what terms we use to difine a situation, let alone a person. Again, he was WRONG, they Both were WRONG, but I would't lable someone over one mistake. Not saying anyone is, but MANY people read this board. Maybe there's a geographic difference. Around here sucker-punching and going into the stands makes you a thug. Is it different elsewhere? |
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Post by coachorr on Sept 6, 2009 10:27:21 GMT -6
Why was the term "Thug" player used? We don't know that kid. Does anyone here know what Thug means? He made a mistake(a dumb one), but what the Boise St kid did was what.... not "Thuggish"? I just think we should be mindful of what terms we use to difine a situation, let alone a person. Again, he was WRONG, they Both were WRONG, but I would't lable someone over one mistake. Not saying anyone is, but MANY people read this board. Maybe there's a geographic difference. Around here sucker-punching and going into the stands makes you a thug. Is it different elsewhere? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. |
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Post by coachdawhip on Sept 6, 2009 12:45:38 GMT -6
I won't call him a "thug" too many of us use that term to loosely. I grew up with some THUGS and they didn't attend anyone's college or High School for that matter. Anywayz, He called to say he was sorry. sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4450281His career is over, hopefully he learns from this, gets his degree and moves on. There is still good that can come to his life, and that is more important for him, that what has happened to him. |
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Post by coach4life on Sept 6, 2009 18:07:35 GMT -6
Coach Petersen was trying to correct Hout when he got clocked. I agree completely that Boise should be able to handle it any way they want. Hout didn't know how Knucklehead was going to react, but he did instigate an ugly incident with very unsportsmanlike and ungracious behavior. Blount's reaction can never be justified but Hout was asking for it. If'n it were me he'd get personal discipline that would make it very clear to him that such behavior in the future can in no way benefit him or the Boise program, along with a few games to leave the gear off and think about the consequences of his actions. Having said that I don't know Hout or the Boise program and I think Coach Petersen is one heck of a good coach and even without any suspension Hout will be made to clearly realize what he did was really stupid.
Didn't know about Blount's previous issues with the Ducks, obviously he's got some self-control issues to work on. Had he not behaved with the fans as he did going into the locker room, it's 3 games max. Going after the fans cannot every be accepted, at any level. That and the fact that he did it in the first game of the year with nothing else much to talk about for a day or so concerning college football, there was no way he wasn't going to be made the poster boy for bad behavior.
Kudos to Oregon for giving Blount a chance to finish his education, compete and get better every day in practice, and perhaps pursue an NFL career. The rest is up to him, I hope he takes advantage of the opportunity and does the only any of us can do after making a big mistake: learn from it and move on.
And brickbats to the bozos (probably some numbnuts at the NCAA who never played a down of football in their lives, if not, who came up with that bright idea) who decided we should all be nice and shake hands before the game. You're getting ready to play these guys, beat the hell out of 'em after preparing for weeks, and we're supposed to shake their hands before we do all that? Cheezy at best, lame any way you look at it. If that continues there is going to be an ugly incident before a game somewhere during the course of the season.
Save the handshakes for after the game, before that I'm looking to deliver a hit (legal of course) that you will get up from and remember for the rest of your life (that's why you get to wear a helmet), a hit that makes you a better man, and your teammates better do their job, have your back, and play like a team. Then one we'll shake hands and have a beer or three and enjoy talking about what a great experience it was to compete in the greatest game in the world.
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Post by los on Sept 6, 2009 20:32:11 GMT -6
Wow, just watched the clip on you-tube.....here's what I got out of it = #1. - If you're a natural hot head and losing a game, along with the associated heckling that often comes along with it, in the other teams place, pushes you to the limit of your weak emotional endurance = you'd be smart to never shake hands, win or lose, just sprint off the field, into the locker room.....and on a side note = if the kid has any NFL aspirations, he better get prepared mentally and emotionally, for a whole new level of intimidation and heckling...  ...#2.- Nice little stiff jab by the Oregon kid, very effective, lol = if football doesn't work out for him, theres always boxing....  ...#3. - If you're gonna talk trash to someone after a game(who's already pi$$ed off about losing) at least be smart enough to keep your helmet on... ;D...#4. - If I'm #94's career counselor, my advice = never take up boxing or other fighting sports, you have, what people in the business call "a glass jaw".  |
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Post by teachcoachwm on Sept 6, 2009 21:20:28 GMT -6
I don't really know enough abount Blount's past situation to comment on the appropriateness of his punishment, but like los, I will make the following observations:
1) According to press reports Hout asked Blount, How'd you like that a$$-whumpping? Conclusion #1 Blount did not like it.
2) If I am a Boise State teammate, Hout is going to be sentenced to 3 or more years of constant ribbing and ridicule from me and the rest of the squad...Lemme get this straight...You are a defensive lineman at a Top 20 program and you got KO'd on national TV by a RB?? Cheap shot or not, looking or not, you went down like a sack of potatos....I could use an crude, yet fitting quote from the movie Friday, but I will try to keep it clean instead...
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Post by lgoody on Sept 6, 2009 23:41:27 GMT -6
I disagree completely.
Whatever the precedent for fighting was... is what the penalty should have been. This, ruin the kid for the rest of his life, over a punch is ridiculous.
I won't even begin, how fighting is handled in other sports, and even promoted in hockey...
But I will say, the kid was pushed... attacked when he was at his most vulnerable state... did he react? Hell yeah he reacted... he's an a type personality... a competitive guy... and because the guy who attacked him, didn't have his helmet on... and ate good right to the jaw, went down... now, he's supposed to be suspended for the season?
BS!
This wasn't the first fight... won't be the last...
I was always told... never start a fight... but I darn well better end them. 3 game suspension at worst.
Another case of a serious miscarriage of justice!
I don't think he was suspended just over the punch. The punch itself was just a reaction. The blow up with the fans and maybe even his episode with his teammates is what pushed his behavior over the edge. His off the field problems prior to the incident probably didn't help his cause.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 7, 2009 6:48:58 GMT -6
Had Scott Frost not been big or strong enough to at least keep the kid somewhat reigned in, this player would be in jail right now with a fan assault situation- look closely at the clip there was even a cop at one time wrestling with the player trying to subdue him along Frost and his own team mates.
Not a one time deal, there is a reason this kid came from JC, was kicked off the team earlier etc
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...#2.- Nice little stiff jab by the Oregon kid, very effective, lol = if football doesn't work out for him, theres always boxing.... 
...#3. - If you're gonna talk trash to someone after a game(who's already pi$$ed off about losing) at least be smart enough to keep your helmet on... ;D...#4. - If I'm #94's career counselor, my advice = never take up boxing or other fighting sports, you have, what people in the business call "a glass jaw". 
