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Post by davecisar on Sept 4, 2009 18:17:46 GMT -6
Oregon suspends thug player for the season. For those of you that saw it last night, no surprise this wasnt this kids only bad episode at Oregon. tinyurl.com/nvjyzv
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Post by midlineqb on Sept 4, 2009 21:14:22 GMT -6
He was also egged into it my the Boise player, but that is no excuse for what he did. He should be suspended for the rest of the season including the post season. Just my opinion
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Post by coachdawhip on Sept 4, 2009 21:41:54 GMT -6
And Dave the Boise State player gets away scott free...
The Oregon player deserves it, but the Boise player deserves a game, handling winning is just as important as handling losing.
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Post by coachorr on Sept 4, 2009 23:01:17 GMT -6
He had the a$$ whooping he asked for, but he was on the wrong end of it.
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Post by coachorr on Sept 4, 2009 23:02:40 GMT -6
And Dave the Boise State player gets away scott free... The Oregon player deserves it, but the Boise player deserves a game, handling winning is just as important as handling losing. I agree 100 per cent! Players need to play the game and keep the trash talk to themselves. Hout, got what he deserved.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 5, 2009 7:27:27 GMT -6
Blount needs to be susupended for the whole season, as he was, and Hout deserves a suspension for a game or two as well.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 5, 2009 7:47:53 GMT -6
Blount needs to be susupended for the whole season, as he was, and Hout deserves a suspension for a game or two as well. Why? If Blount doesn't go CRAZY, swinging at players and trying to attack the stands..what Hout did is an absolute non deal. Give him some conditioning, maybe some team conditioning for peerpressure sake. He shouldn't have gone and said anything. Should have taken the high road rather than go razz the guy who made the quote early in the week. But his actions were an absolute non-deal. The fact that Blount (who was kicked off the practice field the first day of practice because he doesnt know how to behave) responded the way he did should not influence the penalty or lack off given to Hout.
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Post by khalfie on Sept 5, 2009 7:53:38 GMT -6
I disagree completely.
Whatever the precedent for fighting was... is what the penalty should have been. This, ruin the kid for the rest of his life, over a punch is ridiculous.
I won't even begin, how fighting is handled in other sports, and even promoted in hockey...
But I will say, the kid was pushed... attacked when he was at his most vulnerable state... did he react? Hell yeah he reacted... he's an a type personality... a competitive guy... and because the guy who attacked him, didn't have his helmet on... and ate good right to the jaw, went down... now, he's supposed to be suspended for the season?
BS!
This wasn't the first fight... won't be the last...
I was always told... never start a fight... but I darn well better end them. 3 game suspension at worst.
Another case of a serious miscarriage of justice!
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 5, 2009 8:09:40 GMT -6
I disagree completely. Whatever the precedent for fighting was... is what the penalty should have been. This, ruin the kid for the rest of his life, over a punch is ridiculous. I won't even begin, how fighting is handled in other sports, and even promoted in hockey... But I will say, the kid was pushed... attacked when he was at his most vulnerable state... did he react? Hell yeah he reacted... he's an a type personality... a competitive guy... and because the guy who attacked him, didn't have his helmet on... and ate good right to the jaw, went down... now, he's supposed to be suspended for the season? BS! This wasn't the first fight... won't be the last... I was always told... never start a fight... but I darn well better end them. 3 game suspension at worst. Another case of a serious miscarriage of justice! Hill...larry....(see..it seems stupid doesn't it) First it was handled exactly as it should have been according to reports. If a fight happens before or during game, the officials handle it. If after, the institutions handle it. So Oregon and its coach, who KICKED THIS PLAYER OFF THE VERY FIRST DAY OF PRACTICE FOR NOT BEHAVING APPROPRIATELY... (but of course, was given a "second" chance--albeit I am quite sure it was much more than his "second chance" in his football career) did what they felt was appropriate to a player who: 1) punched an opponent 2) swung at and punched teamates, 3) tried to attack fans in the stands 4) had to be restrained by police. You paint him as some wild animal beast, not a human, who can't POSSIBLY control his actions. How the hell can you expect this type of non-human to function in society. We best lock him up right now right??? Because god forbid if anything happens to him when he is at a vulnerable state... like anytime something doesn't go his way Attacked? ATTACKED? ???Look at the video. The other player simply tapped him on the shoulder pad while walking past him to his locker room to jaw at blount, who had been the lead trash talker pre-game. The other player had already turned his head to continue walking when he was punched. ATTACKED? Get a clue coach....Start a fight, end a fight??? There was NO FIGHT, and He ends this by just walking back to his bench, keeping his mouth shut next week, and beat Purdue next Saturday.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 5, 2009 8:26:59 GMT -6
I agree completely with coachd5085. We are involved in a sport that is continually tained by poor, violent behavior from players; at all levels. Suspending him for the season sets a tone for the football world.
Honestly, I also think it b.s. that they're keeping him on scholarship... The kid has been a problem for the program all year; and now he gets a free education out of all of it. Too many of are paying back college loans right now (and out of pocket for a math endorsement) and have never had anything but a positive effect on society. And now; this guy gets his education paid for; I think the whole thing is freaking bunk.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 5, 2009 8:35:26 GMT -6
I agree completely with coachd5085. We are involved in a sport that is continually tained by poor, violent behavior from players; at all levels. Suspending him for the season sets a tone for the football world. Honestly, I also think it b.s. that they're keeping him on scholarship... The kid has been a problem for the program all year; and now he gets a free education out of all of it. Too many of are paying back college loans right now (and out of pocket for a math endorsement) and have never had anything but a positive effect on society. And now; this guy gets his education paid for; I think the whole thing is freaking bunk. I actually think keeping him on Scholly is a good thing (and from a PR perspective, the ONLY thing they can do). Contrary to khalfie's "hill larry..us" comments, the kids life isn't ruined. He has an opportunity to continue his education at a prominent university. He can get his degree, and pursue whatever he needs to pursue to satisfy himself in life. He has all of that STILL on the table for him.... whether he chooses to take life by the horns now, or sulk and pout in a "vulnerable state" is up to him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him dropping out and trying his luck in the UFL though.
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Post by hoosier on Sept 5, 2009 9:04:15 GMT -6
i think Bount's punishment (full season suspension) is well deserved. i dont think i could let that kid continue to play on my team after his showing. attacking another player is wrong, though the Boise kid totally deserved it. (i think he should face a penalty as well, and it seems he will be delt with by the coaching staff? a lesson in sportsmanship i hope) but shoving/punching teammates and attempting to go after fans in the stands is completely inexcusable. i dont feel sorry for Blount
his hopes of the NFL arnt over by any means though. if Marcus Vick can get a shot on a roster then so can Blount
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Post by khalfie on Sept 5, 2009 9:31:22 GMT -6
Hill...larry....(see..it seems stupid doesn't it) Not in the least... dare I say... you've been waiting quite some time to use it yourself! First it was handled exactly as it should have been according to reports. If a fight happens before or during game, the officials handle it. If after, the institutions handle it. So Oregon and its coach, who KICKED THIS PLAYER OFF THE VERY FIRST DAY OF PRACTICE FOR NOT BEHAVING APPROPRIATELY... (but of course, was given a "second" chance--albeit I am quite sure it was much more than his "second chance" in his football career) did what they felt was appropriate to a player who: 1) punched an opponent 2) swung at and punched teamates 3) tried to attack fans in the stands 4) had to be restrained by police. Such the hypocrite we coaches are... one minute you're touting how hostile, agile and mobile you want your players... just read a thread a while back about how coaches incite team skirmishes, allow players to fight... coaches wanting that mean sob to drink whiskey not milk... or whatever... And now... when that tough SOB, retaliates when someone touches him... you want to suspend him for the season? All of a sudden, fighting is bad? All of a sudden having a chip on your shoulder is wrong? All of a sudden not taking crap from anyone, costs you your season? Get consistent... or better yet, get real! You paint him as some wild animal beast, not a human, who can't POSSIBLY control his actions. I paint him? You entitled your thread THUG blah blah blah... I, on the other hand understand the emotion and personal investment it takes to play this game at the highest level. I further recognize the level of intensity one gets during said endeavor, one that's based on physicality, and dare I say violence. I appreciate you being able to turn your emotions on and off at the end of the quarter, but I'd be the first to say I understand, if an A$$ puts his hands on me, and whispers something in my ear, when I'm not in the best of moods! Not saying he shouldn't be punished... I am saying an entire season is excessive and a miscarriage... BS, and anyone that says its not is sanctimonious and self-righteous. I'd call you a hypocrite also, but I don't know you well enough yet! How the hell can you expect this type of non-human to function in society. We best lock him up right now right??? Because god forbid if anything happens to him when he is at a vulnerable state... like anytime something doesn't go his way I appreciate the hyperbole... again... it goes without saying the kid should be disciplined... an entire season, is entirely too much! Simple and plain! Attacked? ATTACKED? ???Look at the video. The other player simply tapped him on the shoulder pad while walking past him to his locker room to jaw at blount, who had been the lead trash talker pre-game. The other player had already turned his head to continue walking when he was punched. ATTACKED? Seems like you have a lot of empathy for the offending party? Got a million excuses why the protagonist should have been able to do whatever it is he wanted to do? Its okay for the winning player to rub it in a little huh? Here's the hypocrisy that runs so deep within your post... 1. Kid retaliates... he should lose his season! 2. Kid demonstrates poor sportsmanship, puts his hand on his opponent, as he's saying whatever... and the guy that just lost, should just take it, and walk away. Hypocrisy at its best. And its I, that needs to get a clue? Get a clue coach....Start a fight, end a fight??? There was NO FIGHT, and He ends this by just walking back to his bench, keeping his mouth shut next week, and beat Purdue next Saturday. Great advice coach... but let me see if I understand you correctly... If a kid can't follow said advice, if the moment becomes too big for him... season's over? Riiiggghhht! Way to coach him up! 3 Games... and get back at it!
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Post by brophy on Sept 5, 2009 10:11:15 GMT -6
Such the hypocrite we coaches are... one minute you're touting how hostile, agile and mobile you want your players... Hill Larry.... That's just dumb Aggressive play = carte blanche excuse to abandon sportsmanship Being a focussed/determined competitor isn't becoming an emotionally driven mongoloid This thread will be locked in 3......2......1....
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 5, 2009 10:25:43 GMT -6
Hill...larry....(see..it seems stupid doesn't it) Not in the least... dare I say... you've been waiting quite some time to use it yourself! Nope, still stupid...but I do give you a point for your reply here You won't find me ever saying I want my guys to be whiskey drinkers, or inciting a fight or any of that. Those things don't win football games. Much like other parts of this situation, you again MISS THE FACTS. Not even my thread....but don't let facts stop you. You didn't in your evaluation of the situation, you didn't in your lack of knowledge of the players past issues and problems. You didn't when you used the word FIGHT when there was no fight. Again, FACTS. a million excuses? No. The fact that the player in question mouthed off and provided prime bulletin board material during the week... is ONE. And that is not an excuse. It just is a contributing factor. Yes, you do. This "man" at Oregon, who has already been given multiple chances, who was suspended from the team just a month ago for inability to control himself, who has repeatedly acted in a manner that poorly represents Oregon University was told "you no longer represent us via intercollegiate athletics. How is that hypocrisy? Hypocrisy would be if he wasn't their best player, but rather a scrub who was treated differently than a star. . And I really hope you reread this and evaluate some of your thinking. From reading this exchange, I gather that you think doing what this guy did is "being a man" and if you are instilling that into your players/children... Really look into your heart and exam that. All of your talk about "if someone puts their hands on me...blah blah blah..." "Don't start a fight, but end it....blah blah"...the kids can't discern that. They apparently can't even process the differences (according to your post). I KNOW FROM YOUR POSTS that you are someone who has their heart in the right place. Just asking you to watch how you apply that care and knowledge, because I see it first hand on a daily basis, and then read about it in the obits/police reports. There was no danger. No defending of ones self. This is a PRIME EXAMPLE of all the B.S crap that is ripping New Orleans apart. 1) everyone else is at fault/i can't control my actions, and 2) This BS CRAP OF "BEING A MAN". Well coach, do you know where this stuff leads? I do. I see it daily. 15 and 16 year olds putting the gun barrels to the back of others heads and ending their lives "to be a man"...because they were "disrespected". Families never doing a {censored} thing to help their kids who I teach..but rather just expect everyone else to do something, and blame everyone else for everything. I am actually going to ask the Principal if I can have a special assembly with some of the young (and I mean YOUNG..i am at a Pre K -5th school with 86% free and reduced lunch) men on Tuesday or Wednesday to discuss this particular event. To show them that this cat had an NFL draft spot right there for the taking. He had the opportunity that many want, and he possibly let it all go because he had NO SELF CONTROL.
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Post by coachorr on Sept 5, 2009 10:36:19 GMT -6
IMHO, it changed from a game suspension or two, to a season suspension when he turned on the fans and had to be taken out by the cops. Life is hard, so what are you going to do when life gets rough, are you going to punch someone out, because things aren't going your way? Because someone said something to you you didn't like?
On the other hand, where is the punishment for the BSU player? Should he just be able to talk trash and incite violence?
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Post by coachcb on Sept 5, 2009 10:42:37 GMT -6
I agree completely with coachd5085. We are involved in a sport that is continually tained by poor, violent behavior from players; at all levels. Suspending him for the season sets a tone for the football world. Honestly, I also think it b.s. that they're keeping him on scholarship... The kid has been a problem for the program all year; and now he gets a free education out of all of it. Too many of are paying back college loans right now (and out of pocket for a math endorsement) and have never had anything but a positive effect on society. And now; this guy gets his education paid for; I think the whole thing is freaking bunk. I actually think keeping him on Scholly is a good thing (and from a PR perspective, the ONLY thing they can do). Contrary to khalfie's "hill larry..us" comments, the kids life isn't ruined. He has an opportunity to continue his education at a prominent university. He can get his degree, and pursue whatever he needs to pursue to satisfy himself in life. He has all of that STILL on the table for him.... whether he chooses to take life by the horns now, or sulk and pout in a "vulnerable state" is up to him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him dropping out and trying his luck in the UFL though. I understand what you're saying here and I do hope that the kids ends up with a good education and life. And I know, that from a PR perspective, it's something that needs to be done. BUT, I still don't agree with it... Let's look outside of the regular student body and just look at the football teams itself. You've probably got a few kids on there as walk-ons. Players that are working their tails off and paying their way through school. This kid has been a discipline problem from the get-go; not just in terms his actions at Boise State. So, now, you've got players that know how to control themselves, on and off the field, who still have to fork over income to stay in school and play football. And to be honest, as much as I would like to see the kid learn from this and become a postive part of society, I just don't know that it's going to happen. I think, that in his mind, he's viewing the punishment as totally unjust and is going to develop a chip on his shoulder after a few weeks of practicing and going to school. I'm just afraid that it'll turn into another situation with an out of control person who's going to get a free education, get out into the real world, and end up screwing it all up. But, we'll see how it all pans out, you always hope for the best, but we've all seen far too much poor behavior on and off of the field from football players.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 5, 2009 10:42:55 GMT -6
I agree completely with coachd5085. We are involved in a sport that is continually tained by poor, violent behavior from players; at all levels. Suspending him for the season sets a tone for the football world. Honestly, I also think it b.s. that they're keeping him on scholarship... The kid has been a problem for the program all year; and now he gets a free education out of all of it. Too many of are paying back college loans right now (and out of pocket for a math endorsement) and have never had anything but a positive effect on society. And now; this guy gets his education paid for; I think the whole thing is freaking bunk. I actually think keeping him on Scholly is a good thing (and from a PR perspective, the ONLY thing they can do). Contrary to khalfie's "hill larry..us" comments, the kids life isn't ruined. He has an opportunity to continue his education at a prominent university. He can get his degree, and pursue whatever he needs to pursue to satisfy himself in life. He has all of that STILL on the table for him.... whether he chooses to take life by the horns now, or sulk and pout in a "vulnerable state" is up to him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him dropping out and trying his luck in the UFL though. I understand what you're saying here and I do hope that the kids ends up with a good education and life. And I know, that from a PR perspective, it's something that needs to be done. BUT, I still don't agree with it... Let's look outside of the regular student body and just look at the football teams itself. You've probably got a few kids on there as walk-ons. Players that are working their tails off and paying their way through school. This kid has been a discipline problem from the get-go; not just in terms his actions at Boise State. So, now, you've got players that know how to control themselves, on and off the field, who still have to fork over income to stay in school and play football. And to be honest, as much as I would like to see the kid learn from this and become a postive part of society, I just don't know that it's going to happen. I think, that in his mind, he's viewing the punishment as totally unjust and is going to develop a chip on his shoulder after a few weeks of practicing and going to school. I'm just afraid that it'll turn into another situation with an out of control person who's going to get a free education, get out into the real world, and end up screwing it all up. But, we'll see how it all pans out, you always hope for the best, but we've all seen far too much poor behavior on and off of the field from football players.
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Post by brophy on Sept 5, 2009 10:44:00 GMT -6
If this were MMA (individual machismo sport), cool....brush it off, non issue.
This is TEAM football.
This isn't 1-man wars and bouts of proving manhood. This is about 53 players doing their 1/53rd representing the school and being mature competitors. Guys that get all emotion and angry at their opponents, aren't competitors. They are immature, delusional, insecure babies.
Guys who talk the loudest are ALWAYS the guys who HAVE to talk because they can't contribute much else. Blount is no one special - he can be replaced. Oregon doesn't OWE him anything, and he won't be "disenfranchised" (life ruined) if he lost his scholarship. Guess he'd just have to nut up and start taking responsibility for his own actions then, huh? Oh snap....can't do that - that'd be too hard on him.
I would submit Blount isn't a thug though. That implies purpose or direction. Blount is just a goddamm moron.
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Post by tiger46 on Sept 5, 2009 10:54:50 GMT -6
Right now, I'm just wondering who is going to be the one that locks this thread. The level of competition is fierce. Let's size up the competitors. Each contender is formidable in his own right.
tog- Now, some say he ain't the quickest at swinging the lockdown/beatdown stick. But, he has an uncanny sense in knowing what's worth posting about and also when a thread has gotten out of hand. And, there's no doubts his lockdowns are deft and dealt with precision. I know a lot of money is on phantom's speed. But, when it comes to tog, I say there's still a lot of fight left in that old dog. Don't count him out.
phantom- The leading contender when it comes to lockdowns/beatdowns. A lot of the smart money is on him to bring the thunder. He's definitely got that California West Coast style of locking down threads. He is swift, accurate and is not afraid to pull the trigger on any out of control subject. He can strike from long distance and is just as deadly locking down a post just from viewing the subject line as he is as going in, and reading individual posts.
Coach Huey- The Grand Patriarch. The Big Dawg, himself. He doesn't get in to mix it up a lot in the thread lockdown/beatdowns. But, when he swings the hammer on a thread you can just see the lightning bolts of destruction burning that thread to a crisp. When Coach Huey blasts down a thread, there ain't no doubt to where it came from.
In any case, it's going to be a doozy! Grab your popcorn! We got Texas thunder accuracy vs. West Coast speed! We got it all! Let the lockdown begin!
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 5, 2009 11:05:46 GMT -6
Right now, I'm just wondering who is going to be the one that locks this thread. The level of competition is fierce. Let's size up the competitors. Each contender is formidable in his own right. tog- Now, some say he ain't the quickest at swinging the lockdown/beatdown stick. But, he has an uncanny sense in knowing what's worth posting about and also when a thread has gotten out of hand. And, there's no doubts his lockdowns are deft and dealt with precision. I know a lot of money is on phantom's speed. But, when it comes to tog, I say there's still a lot of fight left in that old dog. Don't count him out. phantom- The leading contender when it comes to lockdowns/beatdowns. A lot of the smart money is on him to bring the thunder. He's definitely got that California West Coast style of locking down threads. He is swift, accurate and is not afraid to pull the trigger on any out of control subject. He can strike from long distance and is just as deadly locking down a post just from viewing the subject line as he is as going in, and reading individual posts. Coach Huey- The Grand Patriarch. The Big Dawg, himself. He doesn't get in to mix it up a lot in the thread lockdown/beatdowns. But, when he swings the hammer on a thread you can just see the lightning bolts of destruction burning that thread to a crisp. When Coach Huey blasts down a thread, there ain't no doubt to where it came from. In any case, it's going to be a doozy! Grab your popcorn! We got Texas thunder accuracy vs. West Coast speed! We got it all! Let the lockdown begin! That is funny In order to slow the process...HOW CAN WE AS COACHES USE THIS TOOL to help our kids. I already said I am looking to have a special mini-assembly with some of my students (not players). Is anyone else using this action specifically as a teaching tool? Or just in a casual context of mentioning to players? or what?
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Post by khalfie on Sept 5, 2009 11:10:01 GMT -6
Hill larry us... Tiger that is... The rest of you cats are simply to quick to judge, being even more emotional in your judgment of a kid that lost his cool after being provoked, and even more so being disingenious about circumstances surrounding this particular event. Put all the words you want in mouth... justify the excessive punishment with past behavior all you want... however, the facts remain... 1. Game was over, kid lost, he was accosted by an opponent, and he reacted. Right or wrong... it isn't worth a season's suspension. 2. The player doing the accosting, got a right to his jaw for his troubles... and nothing else. 3. After being instigated into "fight or flight", the fighter in this KID came out, and yeah, he was hard to calm down, by fellow players, coaches, and rowdy fans. 4. Never had I said, don't hold this kid accountable. Never have I said, don't punish this kid! What I've said is... 3 games fit the crime. Next you'll be telling me a guy should never be able to play football again because he killed some deer... I mean dogs! But again, gentlemen... I appreciate all the hyperbole... excellent job!
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 5, 2009 11:33:29 GMT -6
Hill larry us... Tiger that is... The rest of you cats are simply to quick to judge, being even more emotional in your judgment of a kid that lost his cool after being provoked, and even more so being disingenious about circumstances surrounding this particular event. Put all the words you want in mouth... justify the excessive punishment with past behavior all you want... however, the facts remain... 1. Game was over, kid lost, he was accosted by an opponent, and he reacted. Right or wrong... it isn't worth a season's suspension. 2. The player doing the accosting, got a right to his jaw for his troubles... and nothing else. 3. After being instigated into "fight or flight", the fighter in this KID came out, and yeah, he was hard to calm down, by fellow players, coaches, and rowdy fans. 4. Never had I said, don't hold this kid accountable. Never have I said, don't punish this kid! What I've said is... 3 games fit the crime. Next you'll be telling me a guy should never be able to play football again because he killed some deer... I mean dogs! But again, gentlemen... I appreciate all the hyperbole... excellent job! I find it interesting that you feel confident in saying that 3 games fit the crime when you have absolutely no dealings with the player. So you feel the people who DO deal with him on a daily basis and whose school/program he represents are not as knowledgeable as how to handle their business as you are. Fine.. I am a bit disturbed about your thought process though. This is exactly what Bill Cosby fights so vehemently against... You are basically stating the scenario, and then saying that Blount is incapable of handling himself properly. THIS IS THE MESSAGE THAT WE MUST SEND TO OUR ATHLETES. YOU WILL be held accountable. No excuses. I don't care what ____ did. YOU CONTROL YOU. He doesn't control you. He doesn't control you by tapping your shoulder pads to get your attention (accosted... ). He doesn't control you by saying mean things to you. He doesn't control you by embarrassing you. He doesn't control you by "dissing" you. YOU CONTROL YOU, and by god you are fully capable of keeping control. MAKE THAT CHOICE.
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Post by brophy on Sept 5, 2009 11:48:35 GMT -6
Hilly larry
"You suck" = 'accosted'
The victim acted in self defense necessitating punching a guy in the mouth, berating spectators, and requiring restraint from his teammates so he wouldn't further embarass and shame what everyone else has invested in
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Post by khalfie on Sept 5, 2009 11:59:35 GMT -6
Hill larry us... Tiger that is... The rest of you cats are simply to quick to judge, being even more emotional in your judgment of a kid that lost his cool after being provoked, and even more so being disingenious about circumstances surrounding this particular event. Put all the words you want in mouth... justify the excessive punishment with past behavior all you want... however, the facts remain... 1. Game was over, kid lost, he was accosted by an opponent, and he reacted. Right or wrong... it isn't worth a season's suspension. 2. The player doing the accosting, got a right to his jaw for his troubles... and nothing else. 3. After being instigated into "fight or flight", the fighter in this KID came out, and yeah, he was hard to calm down, by fellow players, coaches, and rowdy fans. 4. Never had I said, don't hold this kid accountable. Never have I said, don't punish this kid! What I've said is... 3 games fit the crime. Next you'll be telling me a guy should never be able to play football again because he killed some deer... I mean dogs! But again, gentlemen... I appreciate all the hyperbole... excellent job! I find it interesting that you feel confident in saying that 3 games fit the crime when you have absolutely no dealings with the player. So you feel the people who DO deal with him on a daily basis and whose school/program he represents are not as knowledgeable as how to handle their business as you are. Fine.. I am a bit disturbed about your thought process though. This is exactly what Bill Cosby fights so vehemently against... You are basically stating the scenario, and then saying that Blount is incapable of handling himself properly. THIS IS THE MESSAGE THAT WE MUST SEND TO OUR ATHLETES. YOU WILL be held accountable. No excuses. I don't care what ____ did. YOU CONTROL YOU. He doesn't control you. He doesn't control you by tapping your shoulder pads to get your attention (accosted... ). He doesn't control you by saying mean things to you. He doesn't control you by embarrassing you. He doesn't control you by "dissing" you. YOU CONTROL YOU, and by god you are fully capable of keeping control. MAKE THAT CHOICE. Tap, tap, tap... Is this thing on? Hold him accountable? Taking away the season isn't holding him accountable... its removing him from the season. The kid would probably do anything he could to get back on the field... whatever the punishment the administration would have dealt, I'm sure the kid would have met... But this punishment... your type of Bill Cosby just punishment... there is no redemption... there is no retribution... indemnification... its done... its over... its final! IT's excessive! Way to teach him... that'll show him... You are so right... he'll never do that again! Way to teach him... way to coach him up... if that's how you teach in the classroom... I don't think there's any room in the teaching profession for you. Just flunk the kids out, that will teach them not to fail! The message seems more like... be perfect, because if you make a mistake... we'll get rid of you! And brophy, I'm shocked to see you backing such fatalistic punishment.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 5, 2009 12:10:45 GMT -6
Tap tap tap...umm..khalfie..he already had that "come to jesus meeting"...after the FIRST DAY OF PRACTICE when he was suspended from the team.
He has a GREAT learning opportunity here. He still is part of the team, He was not removed, he simply will not represent Oregon against other teams. He still is enrolled, he still has a meal plan, he still can attend classes....
You used the word hyperbole...which I think is incredibly inaccurate. I would say that based on these actions, had this happened at a popular Oregon University bar, and a weapon would have been available to Blount, something very very very bad easily could have occurred.
What is excessive about showing everyone that this behavior will not be tolerated by an organization? All that talk about fight or flight....pure crap. He has been taught, by people who say "don't start it ..but end it. If you put your hands on me I'll...." that anger/disappointment afford card blanche to do what you will. Again why I implore you to consider how you state things when dealing with the youth, because they can see right through "Do as I say, not as I do"
He won't ever do it again for Oregon, and more to my point, hopefully others never will either! Hopefully people will start recognizing that when they are 7 and 8 years old....
If Blount just drops the guy...3 games. But he didn't. And they didn't. And that is because 18 years ago, SOMEBODY DIDN'T for this guy.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 5, 2009 12:15:14 GMT -6
As coachd5085 pointed out; the administration and football staff at Oregon know the kid personally; we just know that he made a huge mistake and couldnt' control himself.
If the football staff felt that a season suspension was appropriate, then I'm going to assume that there's been other issues with the player. Even if there weren't any other issues (say the kid spends his summers building homes in Costa Rica), the suspension is still just; he didn't just make himself look bad, he made the program and the school as a whole look terrible.
HE HAD TO BE RESTRAINED BY THE POLICE TO GET HIM OUT OF THE STANDS! What would have happened had he not been caught by his teammates? My imagination may be running wild, but I'm thinking we'd see some more Mike Tyson-esk behavior out of him. He pops a fan in the stands; you're not just looking at a suspension, you'll have a multi-million dollar lawsuit against the university.
In our program, we don't promote violence; we promote hard, fundamental play to the whistle. Stupid, thug behavior has had many a player sitting on the bench for awhile. You're jawing at the ref; TAKE A SEAT. You're making late hits and taking cheap shots; TAKE A SEAT.
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Post by khalfie on Sept 5, 2009 12:26:32 GMT -6
Ok...
You make some good points. I agree. ;D
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Post by silkyice on Sept 5, 2009 13:57:56 GMT -6
Khalfie,
Kicking a dead horse now, but
3 games for 2nd incident.
3 games for punching opposing player.
3 games for punching own teammate.
3 games for punching own teammate again.
3 games for going after fans.
3 games for having to be restrained by police.
18 games total.
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Post by tractor on Sept 5, 2009 14:41:39 GMT -6
Tiger, that was belly laughing funnnnny!
Brophy, you had me at hello.
Coach5085 - You preach accountability and responsibility. Therefore, you must be a subversive and you must be silenced.
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