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Post by utchuckd on Sept 2, 2009 18:40:10 GMT -6
Would 10-12 yo's get anything out of watching film? I'm thinking if it would do any good it would be to show big picture stuff: angles, staying low, run to the hole not the ball. Maybe show it one time to show 'em just how each play should look and why we've been teaching what we've been teaching.
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 2, 2009 20:20:49 GMT -6
I think it would be good to help them with the feeling of contributing to that big picture. Not really instructional in the specific sense, but more like, "Trust me, this makes sense when you put it all together, here's proof."
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Post by coachdoug on Sept 2, 2009 23:34:35 GMT -6
I have showed game film to kids that age in the past and I'm not 100% sure of the cost/benefit tradeoff, but there is no question in my mind that the kids get something out of it. It's very easy for them to think, "Aw man, I did what coach is asking in the game, why is he giving me a hard time ..." but when they see it on the video, there is no arguing - they understand a lot better what they did and they take the coach's instructions a lot more seriously.
However, I'm not convinced it's the best use of the team's time. In most youth leagues, video sessions count against practice time, so an hour of video study is one hour less on the practice field. When I did it (which I haven't done in several years), I had the kids come with their shoulder pads off, we went into a room (in a building adjacent to our practice field) and we watched the video for about an hour - pretty much the max you can hold their attention, and even that is really stretching it), and then we did regular practice for an hour. I'm not sure it was worth the tradeoff in lost practice time.
I think with some of the software solutions available today, like Hudl, you'd be better off posting the video online with your coaching comments and requiring your players to watch it on their own time. It won't be quite as powerful as if you're actually there with them to drive the coaching points home, but they should get a lot of the value without sacrificing half a practice.
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Post by spreadem on Sept 3, 2009 12:45:51 GMT -6
I helps a lot I have been showing film to my players even when I started in the 8-9 yr old division.
Film doesn't lie and I think it helps tremendously when a child can watch himself and see he is either doing something right or something wrong. We all have the kids where we lose our voice preaching the same thing over and over again, but if he sees himself do it then it holds more water.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 3, 2009 14:23:38 GMT -6
Most team film sessions are a HUGE waste of time But Im a huge beleiver in film for my coaching staff.
We watch the film, tag it, then let the kids watch it at home via internet with all the comments
The kids that watch it are the ones that you can make into very compent players, others are just going to space out or ignore/play grab ass and waste everyones time. We dont give those kids a chance to interrupt the aggressive kids watching on their own time at home
Im not buring "practice time" for this EVER again.
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 3, 2009 15:49:36 GMT -6
In most youth leagues, video sessions count against practice time, Wow, youth leagues, let alone most of them, impose limits on that? I guess it shouldn't surprise me. The coaches are always telling their players, "Those other teams started practicing months earlier than us." And get up long before dawn and build their muscles by substituting for the fork lift truck at the beer distributor's and were removed from their homes at age 3 to start working on the game and had a rib removed to improve their throwing motion and human growth hormone injections and they have whole cities hidden in the woods devoted to youth football facilities and in Las Vegas we're 30 point dogs.... So why wouldn't leagues clamp down on the extremes? I just figure time is limited because everybody else has lives outside of football, and it's hard to get the players and coaches out for long, and to squeeze into the facilities. At least that's the side of it I've seen, they're just telling everybody the other teams are the fanatics.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 3, 2009 18:09:16 GMT -6
When a player watches film at home on his own time on the internet, it doesnt count as a "practice" I would never do a film session instead of a practice, when I can have the kids watch it at home with all my comments in place
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Post by jwegner on Sept 6, 2009 23:56:57 GMT -6
In the league i coach (aayfl in Wisconsin) I'm pretty sure it is illegal to watch film with the players.
I wouldn't watch film with the team even if it was legal, its not like the kids are in high school and really put all their time and effort into it.
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Post by tiger46 on Sept 7, 2009 9:53:12 GMT -6
I think one player/coach film session per season is beneficial. I coach 9>10yr olds. I've done this. I will do it again I can find a place this season. Adhering to the old adage "A team makes the most improvement between the first and second games ( with no verification on my part), I picked out what I wanted from the first two games of the season.
I showed the players the differences of where they improved and what they were still doing incorrectly. I made them go over the techniques verbally and do walk-throughs right there in the room that we used. We drilled for improvements at the practice following film day.
The film day cost us a practice. But, I felt it was necessary. After that one player/coach film session, I didn't do it again. I didn't need to. The first practices following games, I'd gather the coaches & players for the 'Game Report' of what I saw on film. Players ate up the info like it was coming from a burning bush. They didn't question it when I pointed out their errors. Having seen film once, they accepted what I was telling them was true.
But, I think film benefits the coaches more than the players. My AC's are supposed to have specific duties during plays- things they are supposed to be watching for. You can audit the play calls and determine if coaches are spectating instead of monitoring their assignments.
You can also pick up on players' bad habits. For instance, our BB had a bad habit of looking back when lead blocking in games. He didn't do it in practice. But, he definitely would sometimes do it during games.
As alluded to earlier, film day had a serendipitous benefit. It helped eliminate players pleading their cases and making excuses. Trust me, they tried all of it during film day. I felt like Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction. Hit the rewind button in mid-excuse. I'm sorry, did I break your concentration? Oh, you were finished....? Well...allow me to retort.
1.) Here's your assignment. 2.) Here's you. 3.) Here's you not carrying out your assignment. 4.) Here's why you failed to carry out your assignment. 5.) You got anything else to say? 6.) Didn't think so.
Move on to the next issue.
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Post by cregister24 on Sept 10, 2009 19:08:11 GMT -6
When a player watches film at home on his own time on the internet, it doesnt count as a "practice" I would never do a film session instead of a practice, when I can have the kids watch it at home with all my comments in place Coach, How/What program do you all use to upload your videos to the internet? Thanks.
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Post by jhanawa on Sept 10, 2009 22:23:15 GMT -6
In our youth league, we can have 3 practices a week, we practice twice and watch film once. It's very important for us. If you don't have a good facility to watch it at with a projector, then huddling 20+ kids around a TV is going to be counter productive. If that's the case, the next best solution is film on laptops at the field. This is a good install tool, backs watch install clips of previous team running play, then they run it.....
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Post by davecisar on Sept 11, 2009 5:45:30 GMT -6
When a player watches film at home on his own time on the internet, it doesnt count as a "practice" I would never do a film session instead of a practice, when I can have the kids watch it at home with all my comments in place Coach, How/What program do you all use to upload your videos to the internet? Thanks. \ We are using this right now:
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