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Post by windigo on Aug 17, 2009 15:37:11 GMT -6
Ok here is the issue. I'm an experienced line coach and the freshman head coach. I have done little work with the varsity but I do see a problem that needs to be addressed but broaching it with the head coach is a sensitive issue. The o-line coach is also the d coordinator. During the game he is very busy call the D and isn't able to spend the time coaching up the O-line. I feel that I could be a help to the varsity by working with the o-line on the sideline. This will allow us to adjust quicker to what the defense is showing and free him up entirely to focus on D during the game. How do I approach this without looking like I want his job or am criticizing him.
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Post by highball007 on Aug 17, 2009 16:54:36 GMT -6
I would definitely approach the issue, but like you said can be a touchy one!
I would phrase it as a question to the head coach. Ask the HC if he feels at all that the OL is being less successful then it could if someone was to chalk up the OL on the sideline.
Only bring this up if you are willing to be part of the solution.
If the HC doesn't feel it is a problem then you brush it under the rug and walk away.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 17, 2009 18:22:39 GMT -6
first...IS there a workable solution right now? Meaning, is there someone else that is working with the varsity OLine that can make such adjustments, OR is there someone else who can call the defenses? If not, I wouldn't broach the subject now. No reason to point out a problem without a solution. Then in the offseason, that would be a reasonable point of research.
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Post by khalfie on Aug 17, 2009 18:36:09 GMT -6
If you want to be o-line coach... just say so!  Quit beating around the bush, and speak your mind man... tell the coaches... hey... I've got some o'line experience, it seems to me, while you are calling the defense, that someone, will need to get into the o'lines ears and make proper adjustments... let's you and I sit down, and get on the same page, so that someone is talking to the oline while you are calling the defense. It doesn't have to be hard... unless we aren't for the betterment of the team. |
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Post by wingtol on Aug 17, 2009 18:46:37 GMT -6
Speaking as the O-Line coach and DC myself if balanced and done right I see no problem with it. Now we are not a platoon team so it's not like the OL is sitting on the side lines while I am calling the D and getting no coaching. I am in the box during the game and when I see something that needs addressed I let the guys on the sideline know so they can fix it as soon as possible. For example if we just scored I will relay adjustments for coaches to make with the OL while we have some time. As far as halftime goes we make our offensive adjustments first then move on to defense. It has worked for me for the last several years but it is something you have to be on top of and use your time wisely.
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Post by phantom on Aug 17, 2009 18:48:45 GMT -6
I'm a DC who also coaches OL. During games we have a young coach who talks with the OL while we're pn defense. Hasn't been a problem.
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Post by gacoach on Aug 18, 2009 5:35:50 GMT -6
Is it possible for you both to work with the OL? We have two OL coaches and one is in the box and one of the field, the one on the field is the OC. This would enable you to talk to the OL during the games and enable the DC to perform his duties.
Is this an option?
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Post by alneufeld on Aug 18, 2009 21:37:08 GMT -6
Talk to the DC directly and see if he is finding the same issues.
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Post by alneufeld on Aug 18, 2009 21:38:14 GMT -6
Whoops, hit enter too soon
Also, mention to him the fact that you see what is happening on film. If he is as good of a guy you say he is, he might welcome the help.
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Post by Coach JR on Aug 19, 2009 10:18:27 GMT -6
Don't know the situation there...on my MS team, there is the HC who is a full time teacher/coach, and that's it. I volunteer. I've shown up for 7 of 8 full practices. Of the other volunteer coaches I've been told would help (2 other total), only one has shown up at all, and only for one of 8 practices. So, there's the HC who is OC/DC/RB coach/QB coach/WR coach, and me who is OL/DL/LB coach on a team where 11 of our 20 (giver or take depending on the day) players will play 75% of the snaps on both sides of the ball. Another 4-6 we can depend on will spell them.
If your coach has a choice, I can see the dillema you see...but does he have a choice?
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Post by coachcb on Aug 19, 2009 10:32:12 GMT -6
The furthest I would go with it is asking the HC if you can help out with the OL on the sidelines during varsity games.
Don't go into anything else; ask a simple question that just makes you motivated.
As a freshman coach, I once made small suggestion during a meeting pertaining to the QBs depth on bubble screen. I was very careful with my wording, didn't come across as confrontational; just a simple observation. The QBs coach didn't talk to me for the rest of the year. I felt that I did everything right, but I was just a 'freshman' coach and my suggestion didn't improve anything. They still ran bubble the way they always, the QB coach was pissed our relationship fell apart from there.
Now, coaching football can be a very ego dominated profession; there's a hierarchy/cast system within every program and these issues can be touchy.
On the flip side of things, I had a freshman coach TELL me what we were doing wrong on a certain coverage when I was coaching varsity. It was something about a whether a DB man-turned or zone turned a certain way. I didn't take it as badly as the QB coach did in the previous situation, but the way he worded it did rub me the wrong way. And, it not only bothered me, it bothered the other defensive coaches that heard it.
It's all about what you say, how you say it, and the body language that you carry when you do so. Play the part of peon that just want t help out a little more and it'll probably turn out alright. We having a rough situation this year; we're talking about moving a freshman LB up to the Soph or JV level; it's been a royal sh-t storm. Everyone involved, including myself have used poor commuication skills and it's still not resolved.
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