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Post by 19delta on Aug 15, 2009 17:58:05 GMT -6
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Post by tog on Aug 15, 2009 18:32:44 GMT -6
they had better not be
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Post by k on Aug 15, 2009 19:55:26 GMT -6
Football is just a different animal all-together...
I don't see it happening any time soon.
IMO every high school athletic program should have a strategy to keep the players playing for the school and not club teams.
Fall Ball & AAU Basketball are the devil.
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Post by coachweav88 on Aug 15, 2009 21:43:34 GMT -6
We played against a club team last year. However, they operate similar to a high school team. They don't train year round as far as I know. We aren't playing them this year because we don't get any computer points from them for playoffs www.columbuscrusaders.org/They were a decent team. Had some good athletes and played with a lot of class. They weren't world beaters, but they were a solid team. |
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Post by brophy on Aug 17, 2009 19:18:47 GMT -6
I used to be vehemently opposed to this
Now, I dunno. Getting football out of the hands of teachers could only be a good thing.
What would be the central governing body to ensure ethics and standard fair play?
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Post by coachweav88 on Aug 18, 2009 7:31:40 GMT -6
Here in Ohio, you either play for a club team, like the one we played against, or you play for your school team. You cannot do both. The OHSAA Limits non-interscholastic competition for football to june and july. You cannot be a year-round football player (via club teams) and play on your school's team. I think they should have the same rules for other sports about non interscholastic competition during the are school year.
4.41.1 Football squad members may play non-interscholastic NONCONTACT
football only during June and July either in non-interscholastic
competition or during instructional programs. Note:
Helmet and shoes may be worn.
4.41.2 Non-interscholastic participation includes tryouts, training, practice
and competition. Flag football, touch football and arena style football
are examples of non-permissible events.
4.41.3 Participation in any type of tackle/contact football outside of the
school season such as camps, clinics, arena-style, etc. is prohibited.
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Post by hsrose on Aug 18, 2009 9:00:27 GMT -6
I don't see this as a stretch at all. Our team is not far from that operationally right now. The band comes to the games because they have to attend at least 1 game to get the grade. The cheerleaders use the games as a warmup for their own competitions. The team receives no funding other than $2,500 per year for safety gear. Our section "closes down" during summer so we could be doing whatever we wanted, as long as the school will let us use the facilities.
One possibility would be to expand Pop Warner/others to include the HS age players. Merge portions of the state organizations (CIF here in CA) with the PW/?? constitutions. The infrastructure is already in place. Fields are available from the high schools, for a fee (like the school pool was used all summer for swim lessons). You have a national structure, local organizations, can still be tied into the school with academics, mascots, and facility use. It's a matter of technical details, not creating something from scratch.
Rules can be expanded to provide for organized summer flag football, spring developmental leagues. PW has a national championship, this would be an extension. How much would ESPN pay to broadcast those games? How much do they pay for the Little League World Series. How about DeLaSalle vs. Aquinas at Disneyworld? May not be perfect but it works and teams hang those PW championship banners pretty highly.
My daughter is playing volleyball, she's a freshmen playing varsity in a school of 800. Been playing hi-comp for 4 years now. Coach tells her that hi-comp will get her noticed, but not the hs games. Same thing said to my older daughter and soccer - it's the club teams that matter, not hs. The Surf Cup in San Diego is supposed to attract more than 5k fans/coaches/recruiters to the championship games each year. That was always "the" tournament to get into. Just getting into it was a big deal as the competition was so great.
We have a local youth football league here. Independent, been around since 1960. Used to be the only game in town. A coach gets mad, leaves, and starts a PW team. Attracts the most athletic kids based on "if you're good, you want to play against the best. We have the best competition, that other league does not". Hit the league pretty hard, just now recovering after 4 years. All it takes is for a PW/whatever league to go to the HS level in an area and for a couple of kids to leave a HS, play for the new league, and get a scholarship offer and the door is open. HS's are now the training ground for the national organization.
In our city of 210k we have 5 high schools. We're in the same league and play each other in all sports. We share a single stadium. How about a PW league forms and gets the top 8-10 players from each team to play for them? They are now a very strong team, the HS teams are reduced but they're playing each other and don't matter, and the PW team is competing for a national championship. If we take that ratio of 1:5, there are 1,000 or so HS's in CA. That's 200 PW-type teams competing at a higher level just here in CA.
Higher competition level, possible national championship, visibility, what is not to like about this club football?
Not advocating this, just saying that I don't think that it's really that far off or hard to do. I'd hate to see this, but at our school I'm not sure that we're that far off from being independent from the school anyway. I see the way other coaches say things here and it's clear that HS football is still a big part of what the school and community is about. I think that's great. I just don't see it as the standard it once was.
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Post by phantom on Aug 18, 2009 10:39:05 GMT -6
I can understand how club teams kids get scholarships in sports with limited schollies. How would club football do that any better than HS programs?
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Post by k on Aug 18, 2009 10:45:19 GMT -6
its amazing how cyclicle the world is. I am waiting for columbus and crew to set sail back to europe... Club football would actually be good. IF its not governed by the state. You must love AAU Basketball where it is all about the coach's profit. |
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Post by gacoach on Aug 18, 2009 11:21:13 GMT -6
Speaking as a coach in Georgia, I have yet to hear of a high school club, but do know of youth "travel" teams. Similiar as a feeder high school team.
I don't know if club teams would be all that popular here because of the intense following of high school football.
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Post by phantom on Aug 18, 2009 12:11:12 GMT -6
K, I am not in football for the money. I would do football for nothing if I could live on nothing. I would do what the NFL assistants do for FAR, SHOCKINGLY FAR, less money, than what the average NFL assistant does. I only say the club thing is because coaches would be paid to COACH. I wouldnt have to pay a teacher who is looking for an easy 3-10 k to do what they do, which is nothing. Coaches would be paid to coach. without the state to run it, a lot of the stupid rules would be gone. Minimum play rules, the mercy rule, or more to the point, politcal correctness would be a non issue. Minimum play rules in high school? It seems to me that there would be a greater liklihood of minimum play on a club team. |
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Post by amikell on Aug 18, 2009 12:11:21 GMT -6
What do you mean by minimum play rules?
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Post by phantom on Aug 18, 2009 12:16:12 GMT -6
What do you mean by minimum play rules? Each kid has to play for at least a minumum number of plays in each game. |
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Post by amikell on Aug 18, 2009 12:33:30 GMT -6
ok, that's what I thought he meant. What state mandates that? I agree with phantom. That sounds more like a club rule than a HS rule. Even at the JV level there are no mandates for playing time from the state.
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