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Post by groundchuck on Aug 13, 2009 15:36:06 GMT -6
Do you issue playbooks to your kids?
Why/why not?
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Post by coachjd on Aug 13, 2009 15:42:55 GMT -6
3 years ago we did the entire playbook on powerpoint and put the playbook on savefile and had all the kids download the playbook. Had to make about 5 copies to give to kids due to no internet.
Last year just gave kids a 12 page playbook made on playmaker pro.
During our post season meetings, kids said they do not like the paper playbooks. Want the powerpoint playbooks back so they can look at the playbook while they are on facebook, my space, twitter ect..
So this year playbook again was done on powerpoint and put on savefile for the kids to download. Have heard many positive feedbacks from kids.
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Post by champ93 on Aug 13, 2009 16:11:21 GMT -6
We stopped printing out the playbooks a few years back. The past 2 years we will email the kid the defensive playbook. We are putting together the offensive playbook play by play, the kids writing their rules on a blank template, then drawing the plays, with supervision, on the formation diagrams on the bottom. I don't know which is better--looking at the slides or making your own.
We started using Hudl this year and have put together a video play book, at least for our primary series. Kids like it--did one with voiceover, another with just notes. Still learning the process, but it is relatively easy.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Aug 13, 2009 16:14:08 GMT -6
I always do a playbook.
I would say that the majority of kids currently do not appreciate it, however it only takes one to make it worth the effort. If one kid learns the plays/system better because of the playbooks then its got to be done.
i think i prefer handing out play sheets to a play book though.
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Post by groundchuck on Aug 13, 2009 16:25:41 GMT -6
I have been on both sides here. I used to do playbooks in great detail and found them in the lockers and on the floor. Coached at a very good program and there is nothing written down, not even for the coaches which is very tough on new assistants.
I feel like having the OL coach put together one sheet with blocking rules/diagrams for our 6 base runs, and pass protection. Then another sheet for the backs and ends for the pass plays. One sheet per kid.
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Post by superpower on Aug 13, 2009 19:19:19 GMT -6
I haven't used a playbook for at least the past 8 years. Like groundchuck, I got tired of seeing them on the floor of the lockerroom. In the past 8 years, I can count on one hand the number of kids who have even asked for a playbook. In the rare cases where they do ask, we tell them they'd better be paying attention in practice. There are plenty of opportunities to learn both our offense and defense in practice.
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Post by redandwhite on Aug 13, 2009 19:32:22 GMT -6
We have each position coach put together a CD with a Position Manual. It includes the basic playbook material plus anything else that the position coach wants specifically for his players. One of the requirements I have for the coaches is that the majority of the material is in Power Point. I also make a Special Teams CD for distribution to all players who are on one or more teams. Along with the paper playbooks laying all over the school (in 3 years we've only picked up one CD), it's cheaper to burn CDs than to have the material copied.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2009 19:38:12 GMT -6
Not just seeing them on the floor, but we actually had a disgruntled parent have his kid walk up to us and give us an opponents playbook a few years back, after they cut him. I always think mine might wind up somewhere else.
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Post by mariner42 on Aug 13, 2009 21:23:18 GMT -6
We don't and I don't think I could be convinced to do so. I'm fairly certain there's no way we could control where they actually end up and that very few of our boys would really benefit from it.
I dunno, we just don't have the culture to make it worthwhile, imo.
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Post by jhanawa on Aug 13, 2009 22:14:47 GMT -6
We used to print them, then went to animated power point. We've had much better results with the power point.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 14, 2009 6:54:27 GMT -6
I'm with groundchuck, we give out a sheet to the OL by position with their rules for each play on it and that's about it. We have a playbook that all the coaches have more to use a reference than anything else. Not even sure how many kids would look at it if we did hand one out. I would rather put my effort into the scouting report for the week with our plays drawn vs. their fronts.
As far as other teams getting a copy of our play book I am one who has never worried about that, they may know what you are gonna do but they have no idea how well you do it till they line up against you.
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Post by coachayinde on Aug 14, 2009 10:35:47 GMT -6
2 years ago I issued colored playbooks that I created on power point. Needless to say nobody read them. Last year with limited talen I created animated playbooks and burned them on dvd. We had very few missed assignments and made it to play offs. Also we never huddled all year.My age group was 10 - 12 . This year I created my new book and it is BANANASSSSSSSSSSSS!!!. THe kids love seeing themselves animated and they are eager to execute.
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Post by jgordon1 on Aug 14, 2009 14:32:47 GMT -6
We don't issue playbooks but give the kids sheets in small doses...I sometimes will add a "hidden message" in the sheets to see if the kids are reading them...The hidden messages might include an inside joke...tell the kid to see me w/ a funny code word..see me for a gatorade etc..makes it fun..I sometimes will make like a crossword puzzle or a word find before a big game
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Post by stylee on Aug 14, 2009 17:07:51 GMT -6
I gave a few out last year to a few players who requested it, saying it would help them remember and understand plays better.
One of those players left the next week for another team. League rules were pretty sketchy and the transfer was allowed.
I do not think I'll be doing that again.
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Post by coachnichols on Aug 14, 2009 20:13:05 GMT -6
Not just seeing them on the floor, but we actually had a disgruntled parent have his kid walk up to us and give us an opponents playbook a few years back, after they cut him. I always think mine might wind up somewhere else. Agree 100%. I dont' know how often it happens, but if it did (mine going to someone else) I'd feel sick. More than any advantage it might give some other team, I feel like there are too many dumba**es in our league and I don't want my work going to them. Know what I'm saying? |
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Post by Yash on Aug 15, 2009 12:47:53 GMT -6
I think that if you have to issue a playbook at the high school level, you might have too much in. Thats just my opinion. Some kids may benefit from it but for the most part, you learn through repetitions at practice. I'm not saying that issuing playbooks can't work, just not a big fan of it. Not paper ones anyways. I like the powerpoint idea, but not a fan of paper playbooks.
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Post by alneufeld on Aug 15, 2009 15:04:48 GMT -6
I have because it is more of a reference when they are away from the field. I alos force my players to have them in meetings, draw over them, etc. I do more handouts that they put in a duotang, which is a cheap alternative.
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Post by CHIEF73 on Aug 15, 2009 19:49:11 GMT -6
We give our players a blocking matrix (grid). Positions down the left side. Plays or blocking schemes across the top (like the old battleship game/bingo card). We are a wing-t team. Backs must learn their series paths and pass patterns on the field, blocking assignments reviewed on the grid. All the blocking assignments fit on 2 pages max. Occasionally we hand out passing routes to the skill guys. Works great for the linemen. We stole this idea from Chuck Apap.
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Post by ramsoc on Aug 15, 2009 23:19:28 GMT -6
Don't give one out. They need to be at practice to learn the plays. And for all the work that goes into printing and putting together the playbooks, half of them end up lost anyway.
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Post by miami5 on Aug 16, 2009 7:41:31 GMT -6
I have done all kinds of things, power point, videos, playbooks e etc...
truth is i think each has it's place and each kid finds the one he likes best..
like many of you i find them in lockers , on the floor and even left outside....Heck no different than the school books.....
I still hand out basic play books, and pass routes, so the QB's can get a visual...
Also include formations more than anything...
I think the parents are the biggest critics I have about not getting playbooks (( they want to critique your offense I guess )...
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Post by Coach Klemme on Aug 16, 2009 10:10:07 GMT -6
Does anyone fear that with the way technology and information is so easily transfered anymore that kids don't send playbooks out once they have downloaded them? The kids at our school have friends that go to other local private schools and I know some kids wouldn't hesitate to forward them the material. We don't do playbooks at at the soph- varsity level. The freshmen coaches had the kids bring in notebooks to draw things up last year. However after finding many on the floor they were just doodling in them anyway.
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Post by brophy on Aug 16, 2009 10:20:46 GMT -6
When issued a hardcopy playbook in college, I studied it. In HS, our coach made us write our own after he clinic'ed us.
Personally, hardcopy playbooks are a waste of time. If an opponent got my playbook - big whoop. It ain't WHAT, its WHEN (and WHO) that matters
I have more regards to video playbook handouts. Kids need to see it, need the stimulation to see the patterns develop as well as a model to emulate/visualize
I agree about adding the carrot/easter egg within the handout to make sure kids are going through the material.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2009 13:38:31 GMT -6
Not just seeing them on the floor, but we actually had a disgruntled parent have his kid walk up to us and give us an opponents playbook a few years back, after they cut him. I always think mine might wind up somewhere else. Agree 100%. I dont' know how often it happens, but if it did (mine going to someone else) I'd feel sick. More than any advantage it might give some other team, I feel like there are too many dumba**es in our league and I don't want my work going to them. Know what I'm saying? there was only 1 other time something like that happened, and that was when a visiting team left it on the bench after a game. why the hell they had to bring the actual playbook to a game is beyond me. |
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Post by patrice on Aug 16, 2009 14:07:04 GMT -6
WE issue an offensive playbook, because the players ask for it.
We give them the playbook after the spring camp when the team is complete.
We have a 3 day retreat and we revised the playbook and make the correction with them they have to write the correction.
For the O.L they have sheets Pass pro, the plays and the front there are going to see.
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Post by CVBears on Aug 17, 2009 14:32:58 GMT -6
we don't have any playbooks at any level for any player or coach. We clinic everyone in the classroom first and then show them through film and finally walkthrough on the field (new coaches in the offseason, players in the summer). Everyone is exposed to the information three different ways, which, I believe, helps everyone learn it better. Any one can takes notes or write anything down that they would like. But we don't issue anything out. They have to work for their knowledge in our system.
It wasn't always that way here. I have also seen people take the playbook only and not be able to install things properly.
I like what we have now because it forces everyone to engage with one another, ask questions and build rapport while working towards a common goal (learning the system). I don't think I would like to have it any other way.
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Post by coachjmcs on Aug 20, 2009 16:38:28 GMT -6
For you guys that don't give them out, How ofter would you say you work and individual play? I feel like some of the kids, ask for the route and then forget it and just want the next one......
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