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Post by tim914790 on Aug 6, 2009 17:05:57 GMT -6
Guys
We all have those kids that are good enough to if not start both ways but play both ways. How do you get them repped up to be the #2 RB and #1 LB?
Also I am thinking in order to run 2 platoon in the spread O I need 17 players.
11 starters, 2 extra OL, 1 extra slot, 1 extra split, 1 extra rb, 1 extra QB.
Trying to convince my HC that it is not as easy as he thinks esp with us only having 30-35 kids of which 15-20 are good enough to start.
He would rather have the 5 best LB (talent wise) start instead of the 1 best LB start becasue he is also the first best RB. By 5th best I mean there is a huge drop off from #1 to #2 in some positions.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Aug 6, 2009 17:38:13 GMT -6
I would really try to convince him that having 30-35 kids makes it next to impossible to two-platoon and have legit players on the field.
I was talking to a coach about this exact situation...He had 33 kids and tried to two-platoon. He was playing first year players, freshmen, and borderline JV guys all over the field on Friday. He started out 0-5. He we back to a one-platoon system and finished the season winning 4 of his last 5.
There are only so many positons you can hide bad or inexperienced players....
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Post by airman on Aug 6, 2009 18:14:58 GMT -6
Guys We all have those kids that are good enough to if not start both ways but play both ways. How do you get them repped up to be the #2 RB and #1 LB? Also I am thinking in order to run 2 platoon in the spread O I need 17 players. 11 starters, 2 extra OL, 1 extra slot, 1 extra split, 1 extra rb, 1 extra QB. Trying to convince my HC that it is not as easy as he thinks esp with us only having 30-35 kids of which 15-20 are good enough to start. He would rather have the 5 best LB (talent wise) start instead of the 1 best LB start becasue he is also the first best RB. By 5th best I mean there is a huge drop off from #1 to #2 in some positions. the key to platooning is having players learn more then one position on the same side they play on. in our system say the right tackle goes done. well in a perfect world the right tackles back up goes in. however, the backup might not be the best choice so the guard kicks out and the guards backup is ready to play at the same level. everyone on the oline learns all 5 positions. rbs can play both spots and all wr can play all wr positions. |
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Post by wingtol on Aug 6, 2009 18:22:10 GMT -6
No offense but that situation just sounds dumb. Why does he want to platoon? I have always felt you put your best 11 out there. I sure as hell don't want my 22nd best player on the field going against the other teams best players. I am guessing that if you have 30 kids and try and platoon that your gonna have kids out there gettin their tits ripped off while better players stand there and watch.
Put your best out there. Don't platoon just to be cool and say we two platoon.
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Post by tim914790 on Aug 6, 2009 18:41:26 GMT -6
wingtol very well said, I think in my situation he may have picked up the phrase " 2 platoon" at a clinic or from a buddy who does it and now hes on it but every time he talks about it we end up mentioning 5-6 kids that will be 2 way players. Thanks for lettign me vent some!
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 7, 2009 18:53:44 GMT -6
Guys We all have those kids that are good enough to if not start both ways but play both ways. How do you get them repped up to be the #2 RB and #1 LB? Also I am thinking in order to run 2 platoon in the spread O I need 17 players. 11 starters, 2 extra OL, 1 extra slot, 1 extra split, 1 extra rb, 1 extra QB. Trying to convince my HC that it is not as easy as he thinks esp with us only having 30-35 kids of which 15-20 are good enough to start. He would rather have the 5 best LB (talent wise) start instead of the 1 best LB start becasue he is also the first best RB. By 5th best I mean there is a huge drop off from #1 to #2 in some positions. You teach each player one offensive, and one defensive position... and then TRY to play as many players as possible. If you MUST platoon, then you do as air says, and teach position "groups" rather than positions. |
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Post by PSS on Aug 8, 2009 16:56:31 GMT -6
Possible solution:
During fall camp teach them both sides of the ball. By the time camp is over you should have identified 11 Off starters and 11 Def starters.
Sit down with your DC, divide the remaining 10-12 players.
Now, on Monday and Tuesday have your Off and Def teams divided and practice separately.
Wednesday, they will go to their position on the other side of the ball and go through individual and team.
The goal is to be able to platoon with the ability to have a quality back-up that can come in and finish a game.
If you are dead set on two platooning this is one way to make it work.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Aug 8, 2009 18:14:26 GMT -6
Put your best 11 on the field, subs should be ready to go for every position with the next best kids cross trained , for example, your number two ss might also be your number two will backer because hes the next best kid.
offensively, your next best fb might also be your next best tb or guard.
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Post by Send_the_House on Aug 12, 2009 20:42:45 GMT -6
If your kids are anything like ours, the worst 8 kids in the program have no business on a football field... the system your coach wants is fail.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 13, 2009 8:06:40 GMT -6
Watched several of those high school games on CBS Coll. sports over the weekend. Noticed that several players from these big time programs were going both ways. Just off the top of my head on team had like 100 kids in the side lines and had a bunch of kids going two ways. I guess my point is again...put the best 11 out there for each side of the ball. Don't platoon because it's the cool thing.
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Post by hsrose on Aug 13, 2009 10:39:23 GMT -6
My goal is to 2-platoon because 1) we're no-huddle fast as you can and the extra plays I expect/hope for will drain the kids, I've already seen it in summer scrimmages, 2) I want to grow the program and getting more players on the field may translate into more players coming out, 3) I'm trying to force the staff to really develop the B players into A players, and C's into B's. I've seen the past couple of seasons that the best player in the 1st qtr is not the best player in the 4th, but because he was the "best" when we started he's still in the game. Kids are dead tired, they're not as fast, not as sharp, and the fresh sub who is now his equal physically is on the sideline. I need to rest the players so they are still strong in the 4th. Going both ways with 60+ offensive plays might impact that (we're flexbone no-huddle). I've run them hard this summer, hit the weights hard, and it's paid off physically. Now we'll see if that translates into results this season.
Will I succeed in this - No. I know that a full 2-platoon system is not viable. I don't have the players and I don't have the numbers. However, am I going to go 9 2-way players, no. I'm trying to limit the number of 2-ways to 4. 4 studs on the field, 5-6 very good 1-way players, and 1-2 players that will need to be coached up and that they perform. I watch those same teams on TV and would have no idea how to deal with those numbers. Just law of averages would tell me that there should be sufficient players to 2-platoon if you have twice my numbers, 65 or so.
My goal is to 2-platoon, reality says that I won't.
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Post by dubber on Aug 13, 2009 12:00:19 GMT -6
My goal is to 2-platoon because 1) we're no-huddle fast as you can and the extra plays I expect/hope for will drain the kids, I've already seen it in summer scrimmages, 2) I want to grow the program and getting more players on the field may translate into more players coming out, 3) I'm trying to force the staff to really develop the B players into A players, and C's into B's. I've seen the past couple of seasons that the best player in the 1st qtr is not the best player in the 4th, but because he was the "best" when we started he's still in the game. Kids are dead tired, they're not as fast, not as sharp, and the fresh sub who is now his equal physically is on the sideline. I need to rest the players so they are still strong in the 4th. Going both ways with 60+ offensive plays might impact that (we're flexbone no-huddle). I've run them hard this summer, hit the weights hard, and it's paid off physically. Now we'll see if that translates into results this season. Will I succeed in this - No. I know that a full 2-platoon system is not viable. I don't have the players and I don't have the numbers. However, am I going to go 9 2-way players, no. I'm trying to limit the number of 2-ways to 4. 4 studs on the field, 5-6 very good 1-way players, and 1-2 players that will need to be coached up and that they perform. I watch those same teams on TV and would have no idea how to deal with those numbers. Just law of averages would tell me that there should be sufficient players to 2-platoon if you have twice my numbers, 65 or so. My goal is to 2-platoon, reality says that I won't. This is exactly where we are........ We will end up with around 4 players starting both ways. The key is knowing where they will get their rest and how that limits the unit (if at all). Our 3 tech. is a stud. Double team machine. We also NEED him at RG. Anything we do where we want vertical push (zone lead/iso), he is the guy who can do it. Although he is much better on defense, we decided that he CANNOT get his break on offense. His run blocking is just too important to how we keep defenses honest. So, the fresh back-up 3 tech. will spell him for a series, and in the second half, we don't lose that much defensively, while maintaining our offensive prowess. Another thing to consider is what position is being played both ways? Big guys can tire down sooner, because they are bigger, and because it is far more exhausting to drive block a DL guy 5 yards than it is to sprint 40. We only start 2 guys both ways out of our 5 OL and 4 down linemen scheme. And those guys can be heavily rotated. That amount of physicality is where 2-way players can have a toll taken on them. However, the one kid who starts at Slot and CB can run all day........ |
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Post by coachdawhip on Aug 13, 2009 12:14:38 GMT -6
His questions was how? Not why it is not your cup o tea.
What we do coach and we have about 6 guys going both ways on a Varsity team of 60.
We run the Tony Franklin System, before we go to 7-on-7 and inside, we have a ten minute crossover. I have 3 DB's that go both ways they go to offense and the 1 WR that plays DB comes to me.
We then go into 7-on-7 and inside and they get reps there.
You also can use pre-practice drills as reps for the two-way players.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 13, 2009 12:52:23 GMT -6
Trying to convince my HC that it is not as easy as he thinks esp with us only having 30-35 kids of which 15-20 are good enough to start. Sorry kind of sounded that he was also looking for arguments as to why they shouldn't platoon. |
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Post by hsrose on Aug 13, 2009 20:07:28 GMT -6
How? We will still run offense day, defense day, split day. Starters on O get the rep with #2's filling in. Scout D is the starting defense with #2's/best available. Reversed for D days. By limiting the number of 2-ways I'm betting that the other players will get more exposure and grow into their positions. On O days everyone is an offensive player, D days everyone is a defender.
If a player is a defensive starter, they will get playing time on offense, but they will rest on offense/take series off. Offensive starters will rest on defense when they spell someone if necessary. The 2-ways I'm looking at right now are a DT/OT (6'0", 200, rock solid), M/OG (5'10", 190, weakest of the 3 in overall fitness, but an animal in the middle and OL), and a wing back/SS (6'1", 190, 4.6 speed, pure angry stud). Possible of 1 other player who would be a back and FS. These players are all seniors and have played 4 years. These players will be able to get their work in on each side of the ball.
Is that more of a "How" answer? This is all new to me as I'm the 1st time HC so I may be talking out my backside, but this is what I'm going in with.
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