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Post by brian94 on Aug 3, 2009 16:01:57 GMT -6
How much time do you spend on Indy/Group/Team during the season, after doubles, does indy time go down?
I am looking from a play the best 11 stand point.
Thanks in advance...
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Post by touchdownmaker on Aug 3, 2009 16:11:52 GMT -6
Initially we spend more time on indy. Once the complete offense is installed and the required techniques are refined and polished, we work more in team.
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Post by bluboy on Aug 3, 2009 16:37:41 GMT -6
From a defensive perspective, during the season we will spend 10-15 on individuals (we practice offense and defense every day). On an offensive day we will definitely do group. On a defensive day we will have individuals, group and team.
Offensively speaking, on a defensive day, we might divide our group time and have short group and team periods. Sometimes we skip group and simply have a team period (on a defensive day).
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Post by brian94 on Aug 3, 2009 20:43:14 GMT -6
TD - do you revisit things in indy if they are not going well or do you just do a some EDD and then go from there?
We have always done indy for atleast 20 minutes from begining of the year to the end, but if they cant do certain things after all of that will they ever. We sacrifice group and team time because of it....does that make sense?
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Post by rcole on Aug 3, 2009 22:31:29 GMT -6
I've always felt like Indy was very important and that most teams do too much team...a lot of people standing around watching (unfortunately that includes coaches), 22 getting reps while the rest hang out and tune out...not a whole lot of technique going on. I want Indy and group all I can get and I want team limited to 10 to 20 minutes a day. That is just my opinion. Last year I got around an hour a day with the OL in Indy and I used every second of it and could have found plenty to keep me busy if they had given me more. By the way, we never installed blocking assignments during Indy, it was all technique. All of the technique work DID pay off throughout the season.
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 3, 2009 22:41:30 GMT -6
You can never have enough indy time to work on the little things. Doing all team is like wanting to bake a cake but not having all the ingredients!
I will admit we are guilty of doing more group stuff as the season progresses. Ill work half line and full line stuff with my guys against fronts live in our group period, but whenever i feel we are going back to bad habits or need to reinforce something i will go back to our INDYs.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Aug 4, 2009 4:22:28 GMT -6
I took a bunch of my philosophies from Don Markham. We are a double wing school and believe that football in a phone booth takes lots of team time.
What I do is this:
we do mandatory study hall from 230-300 at 3pm we send the line to the wt room and the backs to the gym.
the backs will skill and drill or rep backfield actions while we coach the skills up at 330 we switch, the line goes to the gym, backs lift
the line then works on schemes and skills for a half hour
then we dress and hit the field we flex and form run for 10 minutes tops we take care of make up discipline then we tackle and block in a county fair type set up with stations around the field then we punt then we do defense for a half hour, all indy or group then we do team defense for 15 minutes then its team offense for however long it takes, inititially it will be 500ish til 6 ish...later it will be trimmed to about a half hour
now, ever wednesday instead of wts, our backs and backers will work 7 on 7 for an hour while our line goes back to oline school and work the heck out of schemes and skills.
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Post by blb on Aug 4, 2009 6:06:05 GMT -6
15 mins Specialties (Pass-kick emphasis - OL-DL Pass pro-rush, like an extra Indy period)
15 mins Warm-up
20 mins Individual
15 mins Kicking Game
15 mins Group-Run
15 mins Group-Pass
45 mins Team (divide daily between Off-Def in season)
10 mins Conditioning or Finish
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Post by spartancoach on Aug 4, 2009 11:58:15 GMT -6
About 15 mins indy, 15 mins inside drill, 15 mins pass skel, 25 mins team. Rest of time is warm up, tackling circuits (whole team, except QBs) do these, and special teams. Small modifications in time, but generally never changes all season.
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Post by CVBears on Aug 4, 2009 12:08:51 GMT -6
I scream at our HC if I don't get at least 25 min of indy work on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. (not really, more like politely inquire about getting more time). And I'd much rather have group time than team. I know team time is necessary, but to me, it is a necessary evil.
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Post by coachorr on Aug 4, 2009 13:29:27 GMT -6
Indy for Oline can carry over into the seven on seven session.
I found that thud on bags for 15 minutes after stretch and special teams, to be very beneficial for the run game.
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Post by caneman on Aug 4, 2009 13:58:59 GMT -6
I hate wasting time on indy (skill positions) unless i really have to because we are single platoon, so i have them do early outs for indy if i can get a way with it...
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Post by binny on Aug 4, 2009 14:13:44 GMT -6
I am guilty of always running over on my OL Indy time. We schedule 15, but it's always 20 in the end. I usually do walk through before or after practice to get some extra reps/time. I value this time just as much as team. If I didn't, I'd have to take a hard look at what I was doing.
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Post by phantom on Aug 4, 2009 14:40:26 GMT -6
We don't platoon so we have offense one day, defense the next:
Warmup
Kicking Game
Fundamentals (30 minutes)
Inside Drill/half line (20 min.)
7 on 7 (20 min.)
Team
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Post by rcole on Aug 4, 2009 16:32:22 GMT -6
15-20 of team is more than enough for me. I want my coaches to be technitions...drill, drill, drill, technique, technique, technique. Don't know enough technique or drills, then learns some more.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Aug 4, 2009 18:38:22 GMT -6
Our schedule for an offensive day goes like this: 25m Individual (all run techniques) 20m Inside Run 25m Perimiter (my oline uses this as our time to rep pass pro techniques) 20-35m of Team (depends) 15m of Specials (when we get into things I will take my lineman and do some more work with them, probably a lot of walkthrough reps for schemes).
I also get a 10m pre-practice period were I work on our basic footwork and stance and things of that nature.
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Post by rcole on Aug 4, 2009 19:49:11 GMT -6
Pre-Practice 10m of Special Teams Fundies (snap, kick, catch, block punt drills, open Field leverage, Qb's get loose, OL start Indy) 10m Flex 20-30m Special Teams (OL and Qb's in Indy) 10m Team Pass (11 on 11 down and distance, gets competitive, draws and an occasional trap thrown in to keep them honest) 10m Blitz Pick Up 15-40m Indy 10-15m Inside Run 10m Screens (all 11 on offense) 10-20m 7-on-7 15-20m Team Scrimmage
Sometimes we will throw in a little 11 on air time just to work tempo and signals.
During two-a-days we also have periods of "throw vs. air" that we will do during indy time once we get to game week. During that time we focus on installing the details of our two plays a day. We will also have a run install period where we teach two run plays a day (THERE WILL BE NO TEACHING WHO TO BLOCK DURING INDY).
During Indy the OL stays by themselves the whole time. The Qb's will work a mesh/run reads drill with the Rb's for 10m every day and we will run a routes drill or a pass read drill or an uncovered drill with the Wr's for 10m.
During inside run we will have Wr's go 1 on 1 with Db's and either stalk block or run routes vs press man. During 7-on-7 the OL works on pass pro fundies.
OL averages just over an hour of Indy per day. Wr's average over 30m indy per day. My Wr coach is great and he is always protecting his teaching time and wanting more indy. He really teaches route running, stems, leverage, stacking, getting off of press, route adjustments, blocking, etc.
I have practice schedules, drill manuals, drill circuits, etc. that I would gladly share for those of you that can't see the usefulness of so much indy time. It makes all the difference for us.
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Post by brian94 on Aug 4, 2009 21:47:26 GMT -6
This is turning out to be good, for those of you that like to limit INDY and run more group, how do you split that up?
When you are doing 7 on 7 what does the OL do? When you are doing inside run what does the WR's do?
I am looking at this from 2 coaches for 50 kids.
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Post by coachorr on Aug 4, 2009 22:38:39 GMT -6
I am not sure how you can have 20 minutes for Indy Oline every day. That is not enough time.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Aug 5, 2009 5:33:31 GMT -6
Coachorr, how much time do you get?
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Post by blb on Aug 5, 2009 5:55:57 GMT -6
Our offensive linemen have a 20-minute individual period for working on individual (run) blocks. They are also together during the 15 minute Specialty period (combination blocks, review assignments or pass pro), and for our Group period(s). That's an hour of time each day before we go 11-on-11, which should be plenty of time if the coach is organized and not putting on a clinic on the field.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Aug 5, 2009 21:27:25 GMT -6
dcohio, what is the difference between your combo time and unit time?
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Post by coachorr on Aug 5, 2009 21:59:47 GMT -6
45 minutes would be preferable. As some have pointed out, 15 to 20 minutes for indy and work in the rest during other periods (skelly, special teams, inside run etc.)
I think we may have to go to an all defense day and an all offense day.
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Post by coachorr on Aug 5, 2009 22:06:52 GMT -6
15 minutes specialties 15 minutes warm and stretch 15 minutes special teams 15 minutes play review thud on bags 20 minutes Offensive Indy 15 to 20 minutes Offensive 7 on 7 20 Minutes Offensive Team 20 minutes defensive Indy 15 minutes defensive Skelly 15 minutes Defensive Team 5 min conditioning
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Post by coachorr on Aug 5, 2009 22:22:04 GMT -6
This is what I am thinking about switching to: 15 minutes specialties 15 minutes warm and stretch 20 minutes special teams Kickoff/Return 20 minutes Tackling Stations 20 minutes Defensive Indy 20 minutes Defensive 7 on 7 20 Minutes Defensive Team 10 Minutes Play Review (thud on bags) 10 minutes Offensive 7 on 7 (Oline indy) 5 min conditioning Tuesday 15 minutes specialties 15 minutes warm and stretch 20 minutes special teams Punt/Return 20 minutes Offensive Indy 15 to 20 minutes Offensive 7 on 7 20 minutes Inside Run 20 Minutes Offensive Team 20 minutes Defensive Team/Skelly 5 min conditioning Wednesday 15 minutes specialties 15 minutes warm and stretch 20 minutes Goalline and PAT 15 minutes play review thud on bags 20 minutes Offensive Indy 20 Minutes Offensive Team 10 minutes defensive Indy 15 minutes defensive Skelly 15 minutes Defensive Team 5 min conditioning Thursday Pre-game
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Post by wingtol on Aug 6, 2009 13:00:29 GMT -6
As an O-Line coach I can never get enough indy time! Always have it from day 1 to the last practice of the year. You can always work on or improve something through out the season.
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Post by brian94 on Aug 6, 2009 15:17:00 GMT -6
We are having a problem with kids knowing what to do/where to go. I felt that if I cut some indy time and added group/team time we would be better at scheme recognition. Our technique is pretty good, our scheme knowledge is poor.
I guess the only answer is to change the scheme rather than cut indy time. If the kids know what to do but dont know who to block then thats a coaching error.
If you teach only technique during indy, when do you teach scheme/rules?
Thanks for the input
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Post by rcole on Aug 6, 2009 18:20:44 GMT -6
During install and chalk. Also consider making animated powerpoints, they are almost like video games to the kids, they will watch them. You can even make them interactive and use it to quiz them.
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Post by coachorr on Aug 6, 2009 21:42:13 GMT -6
That is why I love play review thud on bags.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 7, 2009 7:39:37 GMT -6
We are having a problem with kids knowing what to do/where to go. I felt that if I cut some indy time and added group/team time we would be better at scheme recognition. Our technique is pretty good, our scheme knowledge is poor. I guess the only answer is to change the scheme rather than cut indy time. If the kids know what to do but dont know who to block then thats a coaching error. If you teach only technique during indy, when do you teach scheme/rules? Thanks for the input I use indy for technique work and to review our rules, esp during the season I will introduce the fronts we are going to see that week and walk through things that will give us trouble or adjustments we need to make. All of our coaches use indy to go over fundamentals and to make sure their players know what to do play wise. That way we can hit the team period running.
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