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Post by wingtol on Jul 30, 2009 8:50:36 GMT -6
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Post by coachguy83 on Jul 30, 2009 10:29:44 GMT -6
I think the biggest snub from the list has to be Pop Warner. If Amos Alonzo Stagg is on the list Pop Warner needs to be.
As for the any practice question I think I would go with Bear Bryant.
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Post by airraider on Jul 30, 2009 10:59:19 GMT -6
I cant believe the names that are ahead of Bill Walsh.. Don Shula ahead of Walsh??? Joe Gibbs??
This of course is fueled by me being a 49er fan.
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Post by captainpp on Jul 30, 2009 11:08:35 GMT -6
I think they need to expand the list... From the book Vince " I can't conceive of a greater coach than Blaik " hard to put the student before the teacher...
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Post by phantom on Jul 30, 2009 11:12:06 GMT -6
I agree that Warner belongs on the list.
One thing that strikes me is that the greatest coaches emphasized teaching his players how to play the game rather than choreographing every move from the sideline. Rather than "outcoaching" people with Xs and Os coaches like Wooden and Lombardi emphasized execution and heving his players understand the game (Lombardi didn't call plays-no NFL coach did back then- Starr did on offense and Nitschke did on defense). The great coaches understood that players win games.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 30, 2009 11:14:56 GMT -6
hard to dispute that shula is below anyone other than maybe lombardi (heck, they named the trophy after that guy... lol). shula only had 2 losing seasons out of what, 33 or something like that?? look at his body of work, not just "super bowls" or any one stat, but the entire body of work... it is pretty stinkin impressive and many of the current 'greats' pale in comparison
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Post by airraider on Jul 30, 2009 11:25:41 GMT -6
hard to dispute that shula is below anyone other than maybe lombardi (heck, they named the trophy after that guy... lol). shula only had 2 losing seasons out of what, 33 or something like that?? look at his body of work, not just "super bowls" or any one stat, but the entire body of work... it is pretty stinkin impressive and many of the current 'greats' pale in comparison You dang Dolphin fans.. |
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Post by dubber on Jul 30, 2009 12:20:43 GMT -6
I was like, number 11, right?
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jul 30, 2009 13:04:21 GMT -6
Parcells was almost run out of NY before his first season was over.
No Don markham on that list? are you kidding???
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Post by captainpp on Jul 30, 2009 13:07:16 GMT -6
Oh the second part of the question ... hands down my Dad... it would be heaven sent... 2 time
Captain of Mount Carmel in Chicago... 1 time All Chicago Player of the Year... 20 some years of coaching... My view point the list starts there for me...
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Post by max51 on Jul 30, 2009 15:10:39 GMT -6
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Post by justryn2 on Jul 30, 2009 16:36:47 GMT -6
Bob Knight and Joe Gibbs ahead of Tom Landry? No way!
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jul 30, 2009 17:43:10 GMT -6
Where does Rich Kotite fit on that list? Eagles fans?
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Post by tedseay on Jul 31, 2009 1:43:42 GMT -6
This isn't apples and oranges; it's apples, wingnuts and cowpats... |
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Post by casec11 on Jul 31, 2009 8:06:30 GMT -6
Shula belongs near the top...
Jimmy Johnson could have made that list if Parcells is on it.
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Post by oguru on Jul 31, 2009 9:54:02 GMT -6
I am not big into lists. If you win and run a clean program you should be on a list of great coaches. People who run programs who cheat ala Miami back in the day, or Florida State right know, should not be on a list like that. Yes I know Miami won 5 national championships but they did it bu bending and breaking rules,and a bunch of thugs. Florida is going to win three in four years with great young men who are true role models,and they ahve not broken a rule under Meyer. Heck meyer will fire an assistant if he finds out that he cheats on his wife.
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Post by phantom on Jul 31, 2009 16:35:16 GMT -6
ht "If you could go to one practice (at any time) and watch a coach who would it be?" I gotta go with Wooden, even though it's not football the guy won for like ever. Paul Brown, the father of modern football coaching organization. Another would be Pop Warner because I saw in his book that he believes that practice should never be longer than an hour and a half. Let's face it watching somebody else practice gets boring. At least with Warner it won't be long. |
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Post by jackedup on Jul 31, 2009 17:47:38 GMT -6
I have to totally agree with you about Paul Brown. The impact he made on modern football should put him in the top 5. And Pop Warner is also someone who deserves to be up there. Heck, his Carisle Indians made it acceptable to pass the ball in an era where the forward pass was considered trickery...
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Post by rbdt on Aug 1, 2009 19:29:20 GMT -6
anytime you try and cover many years with a short list, someone will always get left off or so and so will be ahead or behind someone else...there have been many great coaches who served in small town usa that with the right break may have made this list...one could say that wallace wade would have been bigger in statue than bear bryant had he coached in an era of tv...list are made by people who just want to start bar room debates...just agrre to disagree and keep it all in perspective...but you have to admit that shula, summitt, neyland, wooden were/are pretty good at their profession
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Post by coachjmcs on Aug 1, 2009 20:13:09 GMT -6
I don't think Chuck knoll should be as high, still on the list but not quit as high, He had a ton of talent....... I would move up Bill Walsh, and Paul Brown.
I am a football guy but I think I would like to see a Bobby Knight or John Wooden Practice. I would like to sit in on a strategy session with any of the football guys though, like walsh, belichek, or lombardi.
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Post by Coach JR on Aug 3, 2009 7:32:06 GMT -6
Lots of great coaches on that list for sure. The order? Well who knows. Each had/has their own way of doing things. The bottom line on making such a list is name recognition. And the way you get that is winning in a high profile areana. There's lots of "great" coaches that have names only known to their local fan bases because they coach at the HS level, or another college level other than BCS D-1. The criteria used in such lists is totally subjective. For instance, each year in the SEC some media outlet rates the SEC coaches from 1-12. In the 90s of course, Steve Spurrier was always #1. Now he falls behind Meyer and Saban on just about every list, and often behind Richt and even Miles. The reason, I suppose, is that he's no longer as good a coach as he was 10 years ago when he had the talent pool of FL to recruit from, and he can't take So. Carolina and win like he did at FL...despite the fact that nobody has ever won like that at So. Carolina. Of course they also rank coaches like Kiffin and Chizik 11 and 12, though they've never coached a game as a HC in the SEC. Sort of ridiculous if you ask me.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 3, 2009 9:10:45 GMT -6
Lots of great coaches on that list for sure. The order? Well who knows. Each had/has their own way of doing things. The bottom line on making such a list is name recognition. And the way you get that is winning in a high profile areana. There's lots of "great" coaches that have names only known to their local fan bases because they coach at the HS level, or another college level other than BCS D-1. The criteria used in such lists is totally subjective. For instance, each year in the SEC some media outlet rates the SEC coaches from 1-12. In the 90s of course, Steve Spurrier was always #1. Now he falls behind Meyer and Saban on just about every list, and often behind Richt and even Miles. The reason, I suppose, is that he's no longer as good a coach as he was 10 years ago when he had the talent pool of FL to recruit from, and he can't take So. Carolina and win like he did at FL...despite the fact that nobody has ever won like that at So. Carolina. Of course they also rank coaches like Kiffin and Chizik 11 and 12, though they've never coached a game as a HC in the SEC. Sort of ridiculous if you ask me. Excellent points. All about the "name" and the "aura". For whatever reason, Miles just will never be regarded as highly as Saban by avg. joe fans here in Louisiana. His humility, and his folksiness cause fans to think he is less of a coach than Saban, whose ego and demeaning remarks/behavior made the fans "look up" to him. |
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Post by cowboy50 on Aug 3, 2009 20:15:10 GMT -6
tom landry 18? horrible, he has to be top 5.
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Post by Coach JR on Aug 4, 2009 7:55:44 GMT -6
tom landry 18? horrible, he has to be top 5. If this list had been compiled in 1978, right after his 2nd Super Bowl win, he might be first...but time (fleeting memory of writers and fans) has made him a worse coach.  |
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Post by coachdawhip on Aug 4, 2009 9:57:46 GMT -6
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Post by coachdawhip on Aug 4, 2009 9:58:50 GMT -6
If I could only do 1 then 23 is who I would chose to be.
Eddie Robinson!
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Post by Coach Huey on Aug 4, 2009 17:12:13 GMT -6
If I could only do 1 then 23 is who I would chose to be. Eddie Robinson! um, well, if i was forced to do 1, then i guess i would pick pat summit ... she's the only women on the list .. ;D ....sorry, long day in the sun... |
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Post by coachorr on Aug 4, 2009 18:38:46 GMT -6
Bear Bryant
Bill Walsh
Bo Schembechler
Tom Landry
Knute Rockne
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Post by phantom on Aug 4, 2009 21:12:01 GMT -6
Bear Bryant Bill Walsh Bo Schembechler Tom Landry Knute Rockne They named the trophy after Lombardi for a reason. |
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Post by coachorr on Aug 5, 2009 10:43:05 GMT -6
Woops. I ride the short bus for a reason. |
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