shawnm
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Post by shawnm on Jul 17, 2009 23:31:33 GMT -6
Last year I handed out beautiful colored Autocad drawn up playbooks to our 10-11 year old kids, however, I think all the plays were learned on the field and didn't benefit kids much. I always wonder about them ending up in oppositions hands.
Anyway this year I'm coaching a 8-9 year old team in only my 2nd year as Head coach. Just asking for some advice.
Thanks.
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CoachDP
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Post by CoachDP on Jul 18, 2009 0:01:31 GMT -6
I've never offered playbooks to kids.
--Dave
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Post by catz1 on Jul 18, 2009 5:52:17 GMT -6
I have never handed out entire playbooks, but I have handed out playsheet and/or diagrams at times. I have usually done this the day before we were going to go through something new, or as a weekend review of what we did for the week. I'm not sure how effective the handouts have been. I agree that most of the learning is done on the field.
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Post by coachmsl on Jul 18, 2009 14:00:52 GMT -6
I agree thI handed them out in the past, but won't do it any more. I heard a parent say that it looked like some sort of different language. It was pretty funny hearing that.
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Post by coachdoug on Jul 18, 2009 15:53:05 GMT -6
I have done it both ways. I'm not sure how much good it does with the kids. Of course, if it helps even one kid, that's a good thing. When I was a kid, we always had playbooks and I studied mine like a madman - I knew what every player did on every play. Of course, I was nuts, but that's another story. LOL.
Preparing a playbook is a ton of work, but if you already have it, I don't think there is really any harm that can come from handing it out. I wouldn't worry at all about it ending up in the opposition's hands. Unless you have your hand signals or audible/no-huddle calls outlined in the playbook, how much good would it do them to have it? They probably already know all your plays from scouting anyway - the time and energy they'd waste trying to break down your terminology, etc. would be better spent working on their own plays & schemes. JMHO.
I do think it is a good idea to create a playbook for all your assistant coaches, though. It wouldn't be as big of project, b/c you don't have to explain things in as much detail as you would for the kids. It drives me nuts when I work with a staff that doesn't have any written materials for me to look at.
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Post by jhanawa on Jul 18, 2009 16:11:21 GMT -6
I stopped handing out printed playbooks about 5-6 years ago, we went to giving out disk's in Power Point. The funny thing is, when we did paper we put them in 1inch binders and made them give them back at the end of the year with their equipment. Most looked pristine, never touched...LOL...with the disk's, I'm surprised at how much the kids actually do look at them. They will ask questions about things on it, which is a good thing....
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Post by jamie50 on Jul 18, 2009 16:33:39 GMT -6
I have never handed out playbooks because they always seem to get lost or left at school. I have in the past handed out our formations and our hole numbering system. We would test the players on the formations and if they knew them they would be able to play a skill position, if they didn't we would move make them wait until they could show us that they knew where they were supposed to be.
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Post by gilbytwins on Jul 19, 2009 0:52:59 GMT -6
We've switched to online playbook only. I found oneplaybook.com and I like it. It's secure and it allows me to show the play, any notes, and attach a video example of the play so the players can see it in action. My first year using it, but the kids (9-12 years old) really seem to like it. I know my assistants do. One nice feature is that I can monitor (there is a login tracker) who is actually studying the plays and is serious about learning our system. -Dave
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Post by coachorr on Jul 19, 2009 8:17:32 GMT -6
I like the idea that coachdoug has presented. Some kids will be fanatical about it and for those kids I think it is beneficial.
Now I am going to be somewhat cynical. Be careful handing out playbooks, unless it is the "I" or 1 back and isn't what the parents see on Sunday on TV. They may question your playbook when you lose.
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Post by los on Jul 19, 2009 8:59:33 GMT -6
We only had about 5-6 plays we used on a regular basis = no need for a playbook, only a little memory, lol.....but like others mentioned, after policing up school books, clothing, homework assignments, test papers, etc... left behind at the practice field, nearly every day = a playbook probably wouldn't have made it thru an entire season
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Post by jhanawa on Jul 19, 2009 10:55:17 GMT -6
This is with our 8th grade team and our Frosh team. A few things we use that I think help, chalk talks with Q & A where we make the kids get up and draw the play/assignment, written tests and having kids use 3x5 flashcards to study at home with. The written test's are good because they correlate directly to playing time. Showing film cutups of plays after chalk talking it is a great way to burn it into their memory banks. I know this can be a challenge facility wise, in the old days we brought greaseboard, a inverter, TV and extension cord to the field and had kids huddled around the TV on the field....lol
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 19, 2009 12:42:37 GMT -6
How much do you think the players benefit by having a written description or diagram of the whole play, rather than just the assignments for the one or two or maybe three positions they'll play on that side of the ball?
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Post by stan3768 on Jul 19, 2009 16:17:21 GMT -6
We do all the teaching on the field and in the class room. When I played we had playbooks but kids today don't study them much.
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Post by jhanawa on Jul 19, 2009 19:06:48 GMT -6
Bob, I think showing them the Big Picture pays off in the long run rather than being position specific, particularly in the passing game, understanding where people are and the concept of spacing is important. It may take more time up front but is worth the investment.
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Post by coachguy83 on Jul 19, 2009 19:53:57 GMT -6
I also think that teaching the entire team every aspect of the play is important because at the youth level you may not have huge numbers. I know as of right now I only have 18 kids signed up for my team. Numbers that limited means that my FB is only one injury away from being my starting guard. If they know every aspect of the play there will be far less of an adjustment period.
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Post by los on Jul 19, 2009 21:11:03 GMT -6
I agree JH.....I think most folks are probably better visual learners when it comes to seeing an entire play and how it should work vs different defensive scenarios.....you can do it the old fashioned, slow, time consuming way = on the field, only during practice......or use the technology available = have the best of both worlds......real practice and virtual practice, lol
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 19, 2009 21:22:29 GMT -6
I agree JH.....I think most folks are probably better visual learners when it comes to seeing an entire play and how it should work vs different defensive scenarios.....you can do it the old fashioned, slow, time consuming way = on the field, only during practice......or use the technology available = have the best of both worlds......real practice and virtual practice, lol OK, so play diagrams. How important do you think it would be to show the blocking against different defenses? Or where the passes will be open vs. different coverages? Or on defense, how they'll line up against different formations?
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Post by los on Jul 19, 2009 22:21:57 GMT -6
Like I said Bob, we didn't have a playbook but.....We use to walk thru every block and show the backs path for each of our 5-6 running plays vs different scenarios.....once the o-line and blocking backs got on their blocks, I let them look around, see the other blocks, see where we wanted the play to go and let the ball carrier jog thru the hole = "the big picture" as JH said......did the same thing with the few play action pass plays we had......I thought it was very important that the kids understood what we were trying to accomplish with a play, rather than just their individual role in it. Took a lot of time though.....if we could have reinforced this on the field work with film or some kind of virtual moving X's and O's play diagrams, that the kids could watch at home....they'd have been that much more aware......course, I've have needed somebody with waay more sense than I have, to accomplish it, lol
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Post by jhanawa on Jul 19, 2009 22:47:09 GMT -6
I can only speak for how we do it. For us, using the whiteboard and film is a big deal, it helps a lot. It's very important for us to teach the whole picture because our perimeter blocking assignments change based on coverage/alignment when running the option. For the most part, our kids make the calls to adjust blocking on the line and the perimeter based on what they see, so its important they know about defensive structures. When installing schemes, we draw the plays against the common fronts/coverage looks we will see during the season. For us, being mostly gun spread, we see a shaded front 5,1,3,5, a true odd front 5.0.5, or a TNT/bear look, 7,3,0,3,7. WE draw the plays against these common looks, however, as far as our blocking rules, we teach looks, not fronts. Passing game wise, we teach our receivers, backs and QB to pre snap look at the secondary's depth, leverage and eyes to determine coverage and how to attack the leverage with their stem. We teach our players to recognize defensive structures and to understand what the defenders responsibilities probably will be based on their alignments. Our QB's are expected to be able to draw and describe in detail any formation, defensive front, secondary alignment/coverage, blocking scheme, receivers & backs assignments, QB responsibilities, progressions, reads, etc. They are tested and drilled on this repeatedly. Do we teach our kids a lot? Sure. Overkill? Probably....LOL....Lots of people think we do too much, maybe their right but they aren't coaching our team...LOL.... IMO, if kids can learn Algerbra then they can surely learn football....lol I'm sure we could win lots of games doing a lot less, however, I enjoy watching the light bulbs go on, watching the excitement and enthusiasm when the kids learn something new. I enjoy giving the kids "ownership" in the offense and watching them bloom within it. I probably got off tangent there a bit but the things talked about are why we use the methods that we do.
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Post by mahonz on Jul 20, 2009 9:13:33 GMT -6
The playbook you start out with is not always exactaly what you end up with...so handing out portions of your playbook works well....like a receiver tree or blocking assignments, for example.
Handing out a full playbook has been a waste of paper for me. I design them for the coaches...not the kids so there is some stuff in there that could melt the players brains.
Although if a player does ask I will give him one. Some do.
Coach Mike
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 10:32:29 GMT -6
I don't ever, my 1st year I had a kid walk up to us and hand us a copy of an opponents playbook,...that's why
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Post by binny on Jul 20, 2009 10:34:53 GMT -6
My experience is that playbooks are for coaches. Our youth coaches get our targeted playbook, but it never is handed out. Things change anyway and you'll have some kids trying to memorize it and others, well lets just say Xbox might be a little more appealing at home. I like the idea of a computer version that's interactive.
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Post by coachdoug on Jul 20, 2009 11:04:37 GMT -6
I don't ever, my 1st year I had a kid walk up to us and hand us a copy of an opponents playbook,...that's why Just out of curiosity, how useful was it to have your opponent's playbook?
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Post by jhanawa on Jul 20, 2009 11:42:50 GMT -6
Our freshmen team will be playing a school with a coach on it that I coached with at a previous school. He has my playbook. IMO it doesn't matter, its about execution, not them knowing our plays. Really, it might be to our advantage with them having it, lots of stuff in there for them to worry about...LOL
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Post by mahonz on Jul 20, 2009 12:05:17 GMT -6
Our freshmen team will be playing a school with a coach on it that I coached with at a previous school. He has my playbook. IMO it doesn't matter, its about execution, not them knowing our plays. Really, it might be to our advantage with them having it, lots of stuff in there for them to worry about...LOL What about audibles falling into the wrong hands? Thats about my only worry. Coach Mike
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Post by jhanawa on Jul 20, 2009 12:40:59 GMT -6
There could be an issue with terminology if we use it "open air". When I coached with him we used to just call the play and snap it, now we signal every thing in our offense when in no huddle. He doesn't know the signals but I have no doubt that we'll be scouted very thoroughly before we play them. They will log everything we do and have reports spilling out of their computers. Since I'm sure he'll research everything I've ever written on here for the last 4+ years (Hello Matt...LOL), I won't go into details about what we'll do against his team, but we will be ready to play. Obvious solutions are to huddle up or use wristbands, both of which we already do. Of course we've been teaching the entire team to speak in Japanese just in case....LOL
In reality it will still boil down to blocking and tackling, it always does.....
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Post by cyflcoach on Jul 20, 2009 12:42:38 GMT -6
Everyone on our coaching staff receives an offensive and defensive/special teams playbook. Players (ages 10-12) receive applicable portions of it on a weekly basis as appropriate. I'm trying to get an animated version up and running using Madden '09 and NFL Head Coach '09, similar to what the US Junior National Team used this summer. www.usafootball.com/articles/displayArticle/6869/7819Dave Hartman CYFL Coach
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Post by los on Jul 20, 2009 21:05:59 GMT -6
Yeah.....thats what I'm talking about Dave.....not sure how to do it or what you call it exactly, but its cool.....the deal where the X's and O's "move", like Brophy and some of the others on here post from time to time......like an animated or virtual playbook showing what each player does on every play vs different scenarios. Very cool stuff. Kids would really get off on that stuff, and probably learn a lot more? At least this old kid would, lol.... ;D...A couple years ago, one of the guys on the board here, e-mailed me his 43 defense playbook.....I was studying the alignments, checking it all out.....got to the Blitz section of it and it didn't have any lines on it(like where everyone was going?).....I probably hit play or something by accident?.... but all of a sudden = the whole thing starts moving, showing where each guy goes on each blitz......I was like = Wow, WTF....this is cool....if you can't understand what to do after watching this = you're a real dumba$$.....
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Post by morris on Jul 21, 2009 20:45:34 GMT -6
We gave our kids a 3 pages with 6 plays total. Gave it to them in the morning and by afternoon practice most knew what they were suppose to do. In fact most knew a couple of different positions and terms. We did it in the spring and it did help because we told them we expected them to know it.
Now we would never give them a true playbook with everything in it. Giving them a couple of pages (no more than 3) with stuff on it I think can help. We might try this through the year giving them a few pages with new information on it so they can learn it and be ready for the next week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2009 10:34:03 GMT -6
I don't ever, my 1st year I had a kid walk up to us and hand us a copy of an opponents playbook,...that's why Just out of curiosity, how useful was it to have your opponent's playbook? Pretty useful
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