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Jul 15, 2009 11:18:11 GMT -6
Post by davecisar on Jul 15, 2009 11:18:11 GMT -6
MMA is entertainment plain and simple. I love how some guys on here think just b/c they go to a gym and train with MMA guys they are going to have the baddest, toughest kids on the field, or you want to take it b/c you can take anyone out as someone mentioned above. If that were the case wouldn't every one of us have a state championship caliber team? I've got kids that show up to practice every day, haven't missed workouts, lift hard but will never find there way off the JV team. I grew up with a bunch of kids who took karate, brazilian jinjitsu, kung fu etc... but when it came down to a real fight, it doesn't matter all that much. The other guy isn't fighting like that - nor does he have to. Just like in real life when another guy steps up to you in a bar and wants to fight are you going to ask him if he's in your weight class? I'm not saying that I've never watched an MMA fight - I have, many. I've even participated in the Toughman contests in bars back before it was called MMA. The point I'm making is that this is just the latest bandwagon event that appeals to a certain demographic-which isn't all that far removed from "professional" wrestling. Rex Kwon Do anyone? MMA is a bit different than what you have described. The short skinny whimpy kids that gets picked on in school and no one listens to, they are still taking judo, karate etc and getting their butts kicked in a real fight. Still does the kids good, but the kid still gets his head knocked in in a real fight. Taking karate or judo, doesnt grow you a pair, being in the octagon with the MMA guys full go, builds up some heart. My guess is the MMA guys handle themselves just fine in a fight, no matter the size. Not so for many of the self defense, because Im small and afraid martial arts kids. The MMA thing is a real fight and anyone that can hang with those guys has some internal cahones.
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Jul 15, 2009 12:42:44 GMT -6
Post by tiger46 on Jul 15, 2009 12:42:44 GMT -6
If participation in another physical sport, be it karate, boxing, fencing, MMA or whatever, improved my players' self-confidence and physicality on the football field; then, I'm all for it. I could care less if it actually made them whup a$$ in a bar fight. Actually, I coach youth so I guess I don't really have to be concerned about one of my players being in a bar fight. But, if I were a HS coach, I'd be sure to inform my players that learning MMA doesn't make them street toughs. Hopefully, they can keep it in perspective. I grew up in a small country town when boys often fought to settle differences. I've been in the military. Worked as a bouncer in a rough club and frequented some pretty low places in my younger, wilder days. Learned martial arts, hand-to-hand combat and self-defense. That guy in that video may sound like a clown because of his special effects sounds. But, a lot of what he's demonstrating is absolutely correct and effective. I've had to use similar methods. I'm no expert on fighting. It's always best to diffuse or walk away from a fight, imo. But, if it came down to it and a fight was going to happen, I decided it was better to win it than to come in second place. Get in. Get it over with. Get out of there. Didn't try to be a bad a$$ and slug it out or do some fancy looking spinning kicks.
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Jul 16, 2009 8:35:43 GMT -6
Post by tpbuck on Jul 16, 2009 8:35:43 GMT -6
I love MMA and enjoy watching it. I really respect the fighters for the hard work they put into it, their toughness and their skill. With that said, i don't want my son to go into it. I wouldn't mind if he TRAINED as a mixed martial artist, but for him to actually step into the ring for a fight........i wouldn't want that at all. It's not a career path i would choose for him. We love watching the fights, we love the artistry of it all, but i prefer that we both enjoy all of that from the safety of our living room. But you like watching somebody else's kid doing it? That's right. That's exactly what i said. I wouldn't want my kid to choose MMA as a career path, but if others choose it, i'll enjoy watching them.
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Jul 17, 2009 21:03:56 GMT -6
Post by eaglefbcoach1 on Jul 17, 2009 21:03:56 GMT -6
My son was a soft kid with very little confidence when he was a 4th grader. He started TKD as a 5th grader and fought in his 1st sparring tournament about 6 months into his training. That first sparring contest completely changed his life!! He found that he did not get hurt and also discovered that he could handle himself in a physical contest. He lost that first fight, but did not lose another until his sophomore year in high school. Prior to his TKD training he was the worst FB player I have ever seen. He is not a great athlete by any means, but the lessons he learned from competing in TKD sparring tournaments allowed him to unlock his potential as a FB player. He graduated last year from High School and earned All Conference status at Outside LB. He only weighs 150 LBS and runs a 4.9 forty, but he was incredibly good at OLB due to his complete confidence in winning any physical confrontation that he faced. He did get knocked around pretty good a few times against a couple of 300 lb O Tackles that were on the schedule, but always ended up winning the match ups when the game was over. Without learning to spar in TKD, his life would be totally different today. He has become a tremendous leader both on the field and in the classroom and has a level of self discipline that is far and away better than anyone I know. He has earned a black-belt in TKD and is currently training in Jujitsu and Mauy Thai. He trains 4-6 hours per day 6 days a week and loves every minute. He will have to cut back on his training when he starts college this fall, but he plans to compete on the college club teams next year. Also, he has never been in a physical altercation other than a sanctioned sparring bout.
MMA and other martial art sparring bouts are much safer than football or any other team contact sport. In MMA, the contestants don't have the safety issues of a QB or WR getting hammered by numerous defenders while attempting to perform their assignments. A MMA fighter does not get blind sided by a DE while avoiding a blitzing LB or crushed by a DB while in the defenseless position of going up for a high pass. The only injury by son has ever had was getting his leg broke while blocking a DB when our RB rolled up his leg. He never saw our RB and was totally defenseless to avoid the injury. When a MMA fighter gets in a bad spot he can make the conscious decision to tap out and end the fight. I agree that MMA can be brutal when one fighter is over-matched by his opponent, but we see that every year in numerous football games and accept it as part of the game.
My point is, that training in the martial arts is great, but you can't get the complete benefits without putting your training to the test with a correctly supervised, physical contest against a similarly trained competitor. Just my opinion on a somewhat controversial subject.
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Jul 18, 2009 6:48:31 GMT -6
Post by coachjmcs on Jul 18, 2009 6:48:31 GMT -6
Eagle Coach,
I don't think TKD is considered MMA i just consider that classic Martial Arts. The guys on here are trying to make a distinction between the two it looks like.
I think both could help you, with balance, confidence, etc........
Like one of the guys said earlier though, some of the guys years ago that would tell you how tough they were because they trained in karate are now doing the same thing with MMA, I have seen it.
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Jul 18, 2009 18:00:43 GMT -6
Post by bobgoodman on Jul 18, 2009 18:00:43 GMT -6
This might be the funniest thread I've seen in a while-MMA-really? This stuff is the biggest JOKE i've seen in a long time and Lesnar's antics and White's reaction flat out prove it! It's a serious sport. I recently had someone proficient at it (who had previously been a state runner-up in HS wrestling) show me a submission hold. It looks a lot more varied and interesting than the standard freestyle wrestling I'd learned.
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Jul 19, 2009 10:39:27 GMT -6
Post by coachjimmer on Jul 19, 2009 10:39:27 GMT -6
Tiger46 -
You are right. Always walk away from the fights no matter what. You will never know what you will get when you are in a fight: surprise weapons such as knives; etc. No matter how tough you are, or how big you are - just walk away.
Guys - I am in martial arts and have been for a long time. I've worked out with MMA fighters (one of them is a world champ) and I have to say the MMA training and fitness they are going through daily is brutally tough. I have nothing but highest respects for those MMA fighters.
I believe that all females should be required to take basic MMA training especially with ground fights.
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Jul 19, 2009 22:40:01 GMT -6
Post by briangilbert on Jul 19, 2009 22:40:01 GMT -6
It will not stand the test of time as a major sport because something more ridiculous and insane will come out next. Pretty soon "The Running Man" will become a professional sport.
You can learn toughness and dedication without fighting. I'm sure the training they do is tough, but I'm also sure at the end of the day we will have a better society if 10-18 year old boys aren't training to beat each other up.
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Jul 20, 2009 0:29:25 GMT -6
Post by coachbdud on Jul 20, 2009 0:29:25 GMT -6
It will not stand the test of time as a major sport because something more ridiculous and insane will come out next. Pretty soon "The Running Man" will become a professional sport. You can learn toughness and dedication without fighting. I'm sure the training they do is tough, but I'm also sure at the end of the day we will have a better society if 10-18 year old boys aren't training to beat each other up. I dont know man, it is really taking off and is just gonna get bigger with all the exposure its getting. If brock lesnar wins a few more fights then look out. Im not saying it will be around 100 years from now, but i think it has a bright future ahead of it
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Jul 20, 2009 10:06:28 GMT -6
Post by coache67 on Jul 20, 2009 10:06:28 GMT -6
Yes "The Running Man" will be a sport - how long will it be before someone dies on reality TV.
You've got to look at why it is taking off and who it is appealing to. And in response to coachjimmer, its all relative.
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Jul 20, 2009 14:53:20 GMT -6
Post by briangilbert on Jul 20, 2009 14:53:20 GMT -6
It's not going to ever take off unless families think this is something they want to watch together. It's going to remain a fringe sport, it won't ever get bigger then the WWF in the 80's either because unlike Pro Wrestling you can't make Lesnar huge for a long period of time because he will eventually break down... And you can't rig matches... Or can you? that being said I heard that soccer was going to really take off too.......
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