lks
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Post by lks on Jul 11, 2009 18:13:43 GMT -6
Been reading some of the stuff on here and it amazes me how some kids who are 15 , 16 or 17 are complaining about not playing the position they want. Some have even had parents ring coaches or even moved towns to get on a team that will play them in there position.
This year i was told by the coach they he no long wanted me to play Half back in the team but instead to switch to defense to play OLB . Now i loved playing HB , heck the rush and the glory it was a thrill but i took it on the chin , with a few days of anger and discontent , and played the position i was told i even did pretty good at it so much so that i look forward to playing OLB and would not swap back even if i was asked now. I didnt run to mummy and daddy , i didnt move to another team i just sucked it up and got on with it.
Now i know its a totally different system over here in the UK. Ok most of us realize that a chance to play in the NFL is a far fethed dream but in the past years we have seen it happen , heck i know of several players who have played in the same league as me making it to practice sqauds such as Jermaine Allen and Marvin Allen.
My point is why are kids acting in such a manner dont they realise they dont have much of a chance at getting to the NFL , heck most of them wont make it to college to play. So just play where your told and and enjoy playing with your friends and team mates if you get a break you get a break .
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 11, 2009 18:27:43 GMT -6
parents, egos, the media, the list is endless. Every parent thinks their kid is the best QB, or the fastest RB or something
Big thing at my school is most of the fat kids dont wanna be linemen when they come in. They all say "I'm a TE, or I'm a fullback" Because they want the ball. So i break their hearts early and tell them from day one, NO!!!
Basically it comes down to this, every kid wants the ball. only so many positions where they can have it...
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Post by teachcoachwm on Jul 12, 2009 15:33:56 GMT -6
I always explain it one of two different ways: 1. "Son, you can be an ok LBer and we will probably work you into the rotation or you can be the fastest most athletic DL we have and start every game."
2. For the big guys "OK so you want to play football in college and get a scholarship. Look at any college roster and see where they sink the most scholarships. Compare the number of FB/TEs to the number of OL."
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jul 12, 2009 17:15:44 GMT -6
I once had a starting corner and a starting nose guard quit my team. The corner wanted to play qb and the ng wanted to play fullback Starting wasnt enough.
The parents of said individuals went after my job because of this. One of the Dads harassed me all year at basketball games etc.
Its absolutely amazing.
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waggle
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Post by waggle on Jul 13, 2009 1:16:08 GMT -6
I find things get sketchy when the kid is ok with the position change but Mommy and Daddy are not.
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lks
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Post by lks on Jul 13, 2009 3:46:17 GMT -6
It just amazed me reading some of the posts on here i mean is this attitude of "i will play where i want never mind you coach a common thing"? Also i still cant understand the reasoning for it i mean this is high school sports , although obviously in the US its taken a lot more seriously than in the UK , its still school sports the likely hood of actually going professional is one in a million.
I mean i played rugby at school for several years even at county level (kinda all state level i suppose) but even then i never argued when my coach benched me or told me to do something different i just nodded my head and played because i enjoyed it , same with American Football today i just do what im told and enjoy playing.
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Post by whitebarb on Jul 13, 2009 8:55:05 GMT -6
My Senior Year I played C/DE and we were having big trouble blocking at the POA on the outside so I got moved to fullback and the reciever on the line in bunch formation purely to block. As a 270 lb lineman, I wasnt exactly happy getting away from the line but we won the game 37-12 and I led the way for 3 TD's. I realize this is kind of the opposite situation you are in but I think the biggest thing is making the kids realize that the opportunity to win a title, wether it be district,regional etc. is the chance of a lifetime and that they should be willing to give the team the best chance to achieve that.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 13, 2009 9:13:44 GMT -6
I do it the same way as teachcoach - we tell them they can be a backup to Johnnie or they can be a starter. We also start our season with a circuit of testing that includes 40 yard dash. We post all the results for the specific purpose of helping avoid these situations. Its harder for a kid to argue that he should be a TE when his 40 time is 22nd out of 25.
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Post by coachorr on Jul 13, 2009 9:57:31 GMT -6
Lks it is the destruction of the American Dream in that everyone has a sense of entitlement. People believe that someone owes them something, increasingly with every generation even to the point where a portion of our society doesn't believe they should have to work if they don't want to.  |
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Post by phantom on Jul 13, 2009 12:20:59 GMT -6
How serious of a problem is this? How often do you have a guy flat out refuse to move and/or get a parent seriously involved (stronger that, "How come Johnny's not a QB? Oh, OK. Thanks, Coach"?
I don't see some momentary resistance and disappointment as a big deal. Nobody grew up dreaming of being an offensive guard. I sure didn't.
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Post by whitebarb on Jul 13, 2009 12:31:29 GMT -6
LOL I wouldnt say nobody grows up dreaming to be a lineman, ever since I started watching football I knew I wanted to play C, maybe its a mentality but how could you not want to line up against a guy and go to war with him for 4 quarters. -- Sorry to for the off-topic post
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Post by CVBears on Jul 13, 2009 12:33:14 GMT -6
I hate the "ME" players. They drive me nuts. Suck it up for the team or don't play on the team.
I'd love to say that last part from the get go, but we explain to them that they would start at position X or be 4th string at position Y and that it is their choice.
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Post by Coach Klemme on Jul 15, 2009 14:38:34 GMT -6
I see some of the "me" thinking end going into the athlete's junior year. I have worked with middle school (weight limits on positions) 9th and 10th grade and assistant on varstiy. 9 and 10 can be tough. Lots of me me me. I'm dealing with that right now with one kid. He's a 10 gradekid who thinks he's d line only. He's shooting himself down the ladder because he doesn't come to our summer practices because he'll play offfense. We had 1 sr class a few years ago that were all me players. They found out what that got them too.....a 0-9 season.
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Post by coachguy83 on Jul 15, 2009 17:14:32 GMT -6
I know this is a big problem at every level. I coached 3rd and 4th Graders last year and had one parent come and talk to me about positions. Her son was a C and wanted to try out other positions because he was kind of bored. I explained to her that he was the C because he was the smartest lineman I had and he was also the only kid that could snap shotgun when we used it. Once she realized how important he was the team she was very cool. However I did try to get him a series on D every now and again because he was a great athlete.
This year I won't tolerate it being an issue and the first night I will make it clear to parents that my staff will not discuss positions or playing time. If they have a problem with that I'm sure the local soccer team could use another player.
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Post by lnueva32 on Jul 15, 2009 17:40:46 GMT -6
Parents see their kids very differently from us coaches. They see unlimited talent but we some kid who's afraid to make contact or is no where near resembles what an athlete should look like.
On the first day of practice for our Freshmen players we tell them 3 things
1-We never talk about playing time with parents, if you don't like transfer.
2-We will play you at the position WE think you'll benefit our team, don't like it...transfer.
3-If you don't like the rules, feel free to transfer, no hard feelings. There's 2 high school where we live. But there's a reason why WE win and they don't.
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Post by rcole on Jul 15, 2009 17:57:07 GMT -6
Actually had a kid one time that played FB/LB who was really a OG/DL. During the off-season of his jr. year (we actually felt like we had a chance at a good team the next year) we talked to him about moving to D-Tackle and O-guard. We kind of took the let it sink in approach at first. At one point he and I were talking about his resistance to the idea and I gave him two scenarios. I said, If I had a crystal ball and I could see into the future and I told you that if you played FB/LB we would win three games but if you played DT/OG we would win eight, what would you do? He said, "I would take the three wins." I was dumbfounded...and I left that school that off-season (he wasn't the only indication that it was the right thing to do).
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