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Post by futureazcoach on Jul 4, 2009 17:39:44 GMT -6
coaches does anyone run their jv/varsity teams together during practice?
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Post by kylem56 on Jul 4, 2009 18:59:44 GMT -6
We do. If your practices are organized and high tempo, it can work. When we go to group sessions, sometimes I let my asst. O-Line coach take the younger guys and do the same drill so we can get in more reps. Ideally I would rather them practice seperate cause they can slow down things sometimes but I have also found it helps them prepare for the varsity level of play faster.
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Post by barrons01 on Jul 4, 2009 19:53:20 GMT -6
We do it because of the amount of kids that we have and because we dont have enough coaches to be able to split up
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Post by bdwolfe22 on Jul 4, 2009 20:06:35 GMT -6
I would say that the majority of teams run them together because of the size of the team and the size of the staff. We would not be able to practice very well if we didn't run them together.
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Post by rutgers38 on Jul 4, 2009 20:18:51 GMT -6
We just have a Varsity and a JV team. Yes freshman on the JV. Would you still do it in my case?
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Post by bdwolfe22 on Jul 4, 2009 20:27:13 GMT -6
If you have enough coaches to run two separate practices I think that it would be great. In my experience anyway we've never been lucky enough to have enough coaches to split the two.
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Post by kboyd on Jul 4, 2009 21:17:33 GMT -6
We run indy time together and split up for team time.
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Post by futureazcoach on Jul 4, 2009 21:28:33 GMT -6
thanks for the info so far. QUestion comes from my time playing where we practiced seperately even when we had limited coaches to the amount of players. And now with the budget cuts in the education field many schools have fired teachers/coaches. So with the limited amount of coaches this has become a question. But to me it becomes something to think about long term. Especially if you could only have six coaches total for vasity and jv why not practice together. Instead of splitting up your coaches this is how I see doing it practice wise.
3 offense 3 defense
and depending on number of players this is how I would do it. Varsity would be offense/defense first while jv would be opposite and then switch at halfway point. That way all the coaches get to know all of the kids in program. And the players get to know their specific coach. Also the language and terminology stays the same. Other way that I have looked at is mentioned above. the indy time and some group work would be together but then team work would be as jv or varsity.
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Post by bdwolfe22 on Jul 4, 2009 21:31:14 GMT -6
We split coaches also. When the varsity is running O, the JV is working on D.
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Post by alneufeld on Jul 4, 2009 21:40:34 GMT -6
Does anyone have a practice schedule to show how they break up practices for each group? I am in the same position.
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Post by mightyo77 on Jul 5, 2009 9:37:02 GMT -6
We are a small school of 600 and we practice seperate. Occasionally we will practice our 2's and 3's vs. the soph, but other than that we stay seperate. we have 6 coaches on staff.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 5, 2009 11:54:52 GMT -6
I'd be interested to see how you coaches structure your practices when you go Varsity and JV together. We've gone together for individual and group time but our team periods have been separate. Although we did do some hybrid 11 on 11. We basically staggered the offensive positions and defensive positions with a Varsity players and JV players. So a Varsity offensive player is up against a Varsity defensive player and a JV offensive player is up against a JV defensive player. Obviously when players do not block players directly across from them, there may be a situation where JV players are matched up against Varsity players. But this at least limits the times that would occur much more than Varsity offense vs. JV defense and vice versa. I don't see any benefit in doing those sort of scrimmage situations at the high school level. Confidence levels of JV players fall dramatically and the egos of Varsity players get bigger. Not a great situation for the program to be in on Thursday or Friday night.
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Post by coachjmcs on Jul 6, 2009 11:56:28 GMT -6
I have coached with the young guys before and the thing I didn't like about it was the down time, The coaches spend most of the time working with the older guys (which they probably should) but this leaves the young guys doing too much watching and not enough playing.
With lower numbers it would be easier to get everyone involved though, so I guess it just depends.
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Post by gschwender on Jul 6, 2009 12:02:29 GMT -6
we have jv and varsity together b/c of numbers of coaches and players. just to make sure there is less down time we go in larger groups at the same time to get more reps. touggher to catch a guy doing something wrong than if you are just watching one group but that is the nature of the beast. this way the coach can control the amount of rest instead of them standing in line--which makes for a long practice for the kids and the coaches
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Jul 6, 2009 13:36:19 GMT -6
I am trying out this process now...
We are going to be a split staff - 4 on O and 4 on D
Like coach above said - when V is on O then FS is on D and vice versa...
would love some feedback or info from guys who have done it similarly...
some questions or requests: Practice plan templates things that did or did not work what did you guys do for games? different OC/DC? who stayed with Varsity if FS had an away game? Our FS plays Thursdays and V plays Fridays...
any help would be greatly appreciated....
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Post by coachjm on Jul 6, 2009 14:55:29 GMT -6
We do go together as well, we have 3 on "O" 4 on "D" coaching staff wise, now we have done it with over the years with a very varied staff, we have also Coached 3 teams before by placing the Freshman on the opposite side of the ball as the JV/Varsity. I think it greatly enhances the level of play of the JV kids when practicing with the older kids at all three schools I have done this at there was apprehension at first but by the first or second game kids said the game slowed down for them.
We currently have 67 athletes in grades 10-12 including playing football. 15 Seniors, 19 Juniors, 30 Sophomores, and 3 Freshman working to play Junior Varsity
On Offense, We run all individual together, now we try to two platoon as much as possible so when the Varsity Offense is running there is another 10 or so JV kids repping with them, when the Varsity is doing defense and the JVs are running offense there is about 15 one way Varsity kids repping with the JV's. Group time we will rep against our 1 D opperating two offensive huddles, we run a trap drill with DT's and MLB's, we do a 7 on 7 set with LB's and DB's, We do a prim run drill with a 1/2 line on offense and DB's, OLB's and a MLB, we do a Power drill with full teams Muscle time is our next set, this is with two offensive and two defensive lines we will try and keep an old group and young group but will fill in either with reserves pending on the set, we will do competitive sets with two offensive groups repping against one offensive group for four plays, or we will just run two sets with our DC taking the older kids against me the HC/OC and the older kids the other group is the OLB coach and DT coach with our TE/T coach. We will rep all inside run game and will reps techniques based on what our D will see that week so if we are playing a zone school our OL will work reach technique despite us not running much zone in our scheme. Finally team, our offensive team we always run two units against a scout team, some of it is typically 1 on 1 and some of it is verse a true scout team. Defensively we generally run reps, so they will be on the field for 8 reps then a young guy group will be on for 6.
I highly recommend it, it creates an environment where each coach is repsonsible for one specific group and coaching it to a high level. It creates a very competitive environment amongst players and Coaches. We do special teams at the begining of practice and we come together for conditioning drills.
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Post by windigo on Jul 6, 2009 15:31:01 GMT -6
We are going to be doing it this year and I like the idea. For one it gives you the depth to practice the way you want to. Now we have enough players that we can break apart for 9-7 and 7-7.
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Post by tripleoption61 on Jul 6, 2009 16:51:21 GMT -6
We split our staff into offense and defensive staff. When varsity is on O the JV is on D.
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Post by coachcastleman on Jul 6, 2009 21:16:16 GMT -6
We are a school of 190 kids and a team in the low 30's in numbers, so we have to practice together.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Jul 7, 2009 10:13:54 GMT -6
I have an idea of how to make it work - but I would like some insight on ways to make it work smooth.
some questions or requests: Practice plan templates things that did or did not work what did you guys do for games? different OC/DC? who stayed with Varsity if FS had an away game? Our FS plays Thursdays and V plays Fridays...
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Post by coachjm on Jul 7, 2009 12:56:07 GMT -6
Things that work: Make sure both sides of the ball knows who/when they are working together. Make sure you protect the young kids who need protecting it does nobody any good to have tackling fodor Establish chain of command so when you are not around there is a leader that can answer questions and maintain organization, Prioritize the times when the whole team is together, special teams. Make sure young players are not being hazed (more natural now they are together more often) All staff comes to all meetings Jobs we have: Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator (offensive line all specials postion group), Defensive Coordinator (MLB's Punt return LB's, Kick return midline, scout KO and P), Special Teams Coordinator (OLB, all specials most critical ie in charge of snappers punters, holders, ect., JV Head Coach/JV OC (QB's/RB's KO, Punt back units) also does box duty on Friday night games, JV Defensive Coordinator (Defensive Line, Punt return defensive line, Kick return front wall) on phones for varsity game, Defensive Backs Coach (all returners), End's Coach (happens to also be our head freshman coach so he is not around during much of the time).
Major issues, When watching film two-way players have to pick a side of the ball to go too. Majority of staff teaches at other schools so when arriving late it can be a little difficult picking up the pieces Important as head coach need to spend time with defense to emphasize the importance of their position. Do not want to devalue defense. We have 6 Coaches that are very strong leaders on the staff it has been more difficult in the past with other personalties.
On Thursday's Freshman/JV games are played, Varsity OC/DC and DB coach run the shortened practice then we head to the lower level games, JV Coordinators only have game responsibilities no practice responsibilities. On Friday we practice Freshman with JV team and do mainly conditioning and walkthourgh activities.
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Post by glcove on Jul 7, 2009 13:25:52 GMT -6
This will be our first year with 6 coaches & 2 teams. The Coaches are split Offense & defense. When JV is D, Varsity is O ( Like others have stated).
The last 45 minutes we split up JV & Varsity called team emphasis time ( the Coaches go with the team they coach game time).
*** Summer practice 2-adays. Varsity Only Practices in the Morning all coaches on Hand. 2nd session Both Teams are in.
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Post by champ93 on Jul 7, 2009 18:23:27 GMT -6
Things that work: Make sure both sides of the ball knows who/when they are working together. Make sure you protect the young kids who need protecting it does nobody any good to have tackling fodor Establish chain of command so when you are not around there is a leader that can answer questions and maintain organization, Prioritize the times when the whole team is together, special teams. Make sure young players are not being hazed (more natural now they are together more often) All staff comes to all meetings Jobs we have: Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator (offensive line all specials postion group), Defensive Coordinator (MLB's Punt return LB's, Kick return midline, scout KO and P), Special Teams Coordinator (OLB, all specials most critical ie in charge of snappers punters, holders, ect., JV Head Coach/JV OC (QB's/RB's KO, Punt back units) also does box duty on Friday night games, JV Defensive Coordinator (Defensive Line, Punt return defensive line, Kick return front wall) on phones for varsity game, Defensive Backs Coach (all returners), End's Coach (happens to also be our head freshman coach so he is not around during much of the time). Major issues, When watching film two-way players have to pick a side of the ball to go too. Majority of staff teaches at other schools so when arriving late it can be a little difficult picking up the pieces Important as head coach need to spend time with defense to emphasize the importance of their position. Do not want to devalue defense. We have 6 Coaches that are very strong leaders on the staff it has been more difficult in the past with other personalties. On Thursday's Freshman/JV games are played, Varsity OC/DC and DB coach run the shortened practice then we head to the lower level games, JV Coordinators only have game responsibilities no practice responsibilities. On Friday we practice Freshman with JV team and do mainly conditioning and walkthourgh activities. Good plan Coach, we tried something similar last year. One of our problems was Wednesday (day b4 JV game), with the JV coaches needing to spend time with their special teams, and with their group as a whole. Is that an issue for you, or have you had other problems as such? Do your JV's practice on their own on Mondays or with the varsity?
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Post by coachjm on Jul 7, 2009 19:36:01 GMT -6
Mondays- JV Lifts until 3:30 then goes out and practices all specials, Varsity watches film until 4:00 upon the completion of Film Varsity warms-up and starts All Specials, JV starts defensive set., Varsity then starts Defensive set and JV goes to Offense, JV completes practice Varsity goes to Offense. This is if we don't all start at the same time, many times we will just start them all at once at 3:45 and late in the year or if our JV is having a tough go we will scrimmage the Freshman/JV on Mondays to have increase comp. for the Freshman and JV's then have a confidence builder. Early in year before school starts they all go together.
Wednesdays is not a problem, JVs treat it like another work day. Reality is they are getting ready for Friday nights not Thursday nights, if you have a pregame practice on Wednesday they are really only gettin 1 to 2 work days in a week that isn't enough. We run the whole practice together. Everyday we do all three phases, Monday all specials, Tuesday two units plus extra point field goal, Wednesday other two units plus extra point field goal. In two-a-days we do one special per day with individual time for that paticular special so we run it just like "O" and "D" run ie Punt Indy, Punt Group, Punt Team. JV's are running the same as the Varsity not all kids are on all special teams unit if they are not in the two deep for Varsity and the JV first group plus rotators they go to their positional individual for O or D. I guess that point is lots of special teams time and we all coach specials at all levels, also they get a full O and D set with their coaches there, Kids take pride in playing on Thursday but also understand that the big picture is Friday night and that is what they are working for.
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