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Post by brophy on Jul 2, 2009 19:31:46 GMT -6
When we first start out, we can be rather credulous, and willing to believe or accept just about any idea we encounter, especially people in authority, former coaches, professional players, sportscasters, or the Internet. With a sea of information coming at us from all directions, how do we sift out the misinformation, bogus claims, right and wrong, and get down to the truth? Often times we believe things because our brains are wired to find meaningful patterns (see last month) to help us with recognition (TT + lots of points + exciting + DI football = "I need to run air raid to score points" or "43 teams can stop the run, therefore only the 43 can stop the run"). Many patterns are real, and its good to know what those patterns are - that's called learning. We connect A to B (often times A really is connected to B). The problem becomes that a lot of patterns we see everyday are false (superstitious,emotional, not real). Naturally, we look to find safety/comfort/confidence in the routine condition that we've always known or admired. The more reputable or esteemed the speaker or presenter, the more awestruck we may likely be to adhere to those ideas without question. But how do you know if State U's schemes or philosophies or techniques are right or wrong? You don't. You shouldn't believe anyone based on authority, records, charisma, or whatever position they hold. Here are ten challenges we should present ourselves with when encountering a new or old idea towards the game. How reliable is the source of the claim? Does the source make similar claims? Have the claims been verified by somebody else? Does this fit with the way the real world works? Has anyone tried to disprove the claim? Where does the preponderance of evidence point to? Is the claimant playing by the fundamentals of the game? Is the claimant providing positive evidence? Does the new theory account for as many phenomena as the old theory? Are personal beliefs (or insecurities) driving the claim? Question EVERYTHING! Shoot holes in your program so your opponents can't Being skeptical isn't lacking faith, and faith (in that which is unchallenged) is not confidence brophyfootball.blogspot.com/
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 2, 2009 21:52:02 GMT -6
I'd say that's a pretty good road map for all avenues of life! Not just football. Well said.
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Post by rcole on Jul 2, 2009 22:43:01 GMT -6
Brophy, you have always been one of my favorite posters...don't read you as much since I switched to offense last season...but always enjoy you contributions.
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Post by dubber on Jul 3, 2009 9:08:32 GMT -6
coachhuey.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=31283That's sort of what the point of this thread would be. This is not only a schematical question, but the HOW WE GET THIS DONE side of football that is often ignored. We have a goal of X, BUT HOW do we achieve it? The things we take for granted (without Brophy's 10 questions of merit) are ripe with inefficiencies.
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Post by airraider on Jul 3, 2009 9:39:44 GMT -6
So what are you trying to say?
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Post by brophy on Jul 3, 2009 10:41:32 GMT -6
This is more of a continuum, or probably a more articulate (evolved) version of the deleted "faith in football" thread from February.
Many things we do, we do "just because" and just because we BELIEVE it, doesn't make it true. Emotional passion / conviction doesn't necessarily equate to actual substance.
I am under the impression that many folks see the game as essentially emotional fervor. That if we drink enough red bull or bang our heads hard enough....then, what else is required? If I tell a kid to "block that guy", and he doesn't, then I probably just need to tell him to "BLOCK THAT GUY" a little louder, then he'll get it.
Essentially this thread could be better titled "a skeptics guide to coaching", but that isn't as catchy as what we have here (because there is a deeper issue to expose)
Here is a semi-related/retarded question... If we aren't teaching the expectations of assignment......are we really "coaching"? Or is it something else?
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Post by brophy on Jul 3, 2009 11:02:01 GMT -6
Also, not that this is meant to be something more than a statement, but as an example, see how the "A-11" measures up to this acid test.....
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Post by coachks on Jul 3, 2009 11:05:04 GMT -6
I think one example of this is how we draw up our defense. How many of us coaches draw up our base defense against 21 personel? A lot of our defensive thinking is based on how it matches up against 21 personel, I-form power football.
We only see 21 personel once a season.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jul 3, 2009 11:47:55 GMT -6
Confusios- " man who tries to catch two rabbits catches neither"
that about sums up football.
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Post by coach4life on Jul 3, 2009 13:26:13 GMT -6
Dude you think like a software engineer! A corollary can be found in the world of software engineering and that is the notion of code or design smells. With experience you can look at a design or the software code that implements the design and tell what stinks - design smells or code smells. It's actually a term we use, like "this code smells somewhere", determining that is a matter of experience and perception based on what is in front of you. To help with the design issues we have a concept known as patterns and later developed the concept of anti-patterns. Patterns are tried and true ways of dealing with certain issues, anti-patterns are examples of things to avoid. One definition is: Patterns are optimal solutions to common problems. As common problems are tossed around a community and are resolved, common solutions often spontaneously emerge. Eventually, the best of these rise above the din and self-identify and become refined until they reach the status of a Design Pattern. They take a base form of a problem statement, a context (description of the situation), solution statement, and rationale. I can see where something like coaching patterns could be a useful concept. If we set up a wiki (web pages that anyone is allowed to modify, like Wikipedia) we could start to catalog coaching patterns. I think the biggest issue is we have to everything in a context composed of available talent, our knowledge, teaching that knowledge and time available to teach it all. Then there is the other issue of constraints which SpreadAttack wrote about so well on his blog. When we go to the clinic and see something new, it's that "Wow, this is great!" moment, but it's in the context of what works for the presenting coach in his environment. Said another way, just because we find Florida's offense interesting, hear Urban Meyer give a great presentation on it and are blown away by the possibilities, we probably don't have Tebow or Harvin like athletes to make it go. Flip that around, and the Gator staff found out that when they hit the SEC the speed in that environment dictated that they make modifications to what they had been bread and butter in the past at Utah and Bowling Green. Then there are the key concepts behind lean manufacturing: inspect and adapt. Inspect your work, fix what needs to be fixed, eliminate waste to get down to the essentials of what needs to be done and adapt the changes you need to make on a continuous basis. As Brophy said, shoot holes in your program (inspect) and make the changes you need to make (adapt). Brophy you made a ton of great points in your post, we all have to keep our thinkin' hats on.
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Post by kylem56 on Jul 3, 2009 13:57:01 GMT -6
Then there are the key concepts behind lean manufacturing: inspect and adapt. Inspect your work, fix what needs to be fixed, eliminate waste to get down to the essentials of what needs to be done and adapt the changes you need to make on a continuous basis. As Brophy said, shoot holes in your program (inspect) and make the changes you need to make (adapt). You guys are way to smart for me but the above quote pretty much nails it. Not just in football but in many professions, we get caught up in "this is how its always done" or "thats just the way we do it" without asking WHY .
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Post by airraider on Jul 3, 2009 14:24:45 GMT -6
Yea, but what are you trying to say Brophy??
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Post by rcole on Jul 3, 2009 15:16:57 GMT -6
EXACTLY!
Coaching is teaching. Kids play hard when they know exactly what they are doing, in and out. I've worked with a lot of guys that think coaching is cussing kids out, constantly challenging their masculinity, sarcasm, etc.
I am however a motivation guy as well. Motivation is not "rah, rah" but rather bonding the team/team chemistry and teaching leadership. Then being a leader yourself.
If coaching is teaching, then we would not teach something that did not pass your BS test.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jul 4, 2009 19:56:14 GMT -6
I like the, "I don't understand a word you said, but it sounds great!" Just jokin' there Brophy. Great thoughtful post, I've read it a number of times already and can see that your ideas could apply to a number of subjects, not just football. Thanks for taking the time to write all that, we already knew you were a pretty smart guy. OJW
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Post by coachinghopeful on Jul 4, 2009 23:42:50 GMT -6
I think one example of this is how we draw up our defense. How many of us coaches draw up our base defense against 21 personel? A lot of our defensive thinking is based on how it matches up against 21 personel, I-form power football. We only see 21 personel once a season. I like this thread! Personally, I would say there is some merit to this specific example besides "this is the way it's done," unless you seldom see two backs or a TE anymore, since 21 personel is a sort of "jack of all trades" grouping that has a little of everything in it, so by drawing up your base against it, you can show how you align vs. 1.) a TE 2.) a SE/FL 3.) 2 backs That still makes it a good basic starting point to show how you adjust to, say, 31 personel, 12 personel, 20 personel, 2 X 2, 3 X 1, etc. as most of these are just swapping out a RB or TE for a WR. But if you play exclusively in a league where no one uses TEs or more than 1 back, or where everyone runs an unbalanced single wing or something, I can see it being a moot point.
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Post by crl on Jul 5, 2009 1:21:15 GMT -6
The force is strong in you Young Jedi. Nietzsche on Football.... You can Zone the Concept, but if you read it, what then?
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Post by gunrun on Jul 5, 2009 15:18:44 GMT -6
I hate when you go to a football clinic and the coach draws up this "great" running play only against a Cover 2 look in which the Offense has the numbers advantage.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 5, 2009 23:12:36 GMT -6
I hate when you go to a football clinic and the coach draws up this "great" running play only against a Cover 2 look in which the Offense has the numbers advantage. Maybe he only runs that play against Cover 2?
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Post by coach4life on Jul 6, 2009 8:43:58 GMT -6
The force is strong in you Young Jedi. Nietzsche on Football.... You can Zone the Concept, but if you read it, what then? I bet he would have loved football, especially when his WR dropped a wide open TD that would have won the game. "Oh, the angst!!!!"
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Post by jpdaley25 on Jul 8, 2009 6:20:54 GMT -6
Scientific Method + Pragmatism + Experience = A pretty good B.S. detector.
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Post by phantom on Jul 8, 2009 8:58:41 GMT -6
Sometimes not making sense makes sense.
We stretch in a circle, not lines. We started it years ago after a player was murdered and I don't really remember why. Our HC retired recently. The new HC considered using lines instead of circles and I agreed with him. He asked the kids, though, and they felt strongly that they should keep the circle. We're in a circle.
There are some who say that stretching before practice doesn't make sense and they bring impressive stats to prove their point. We will continue to stretch. Our kids believe in it.
Bill Callahan made many changes at Nebraska and I'm sure that they make sense in a vacuum. At Nebraska those changes didn't make sense, though, so he failed.
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