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Post by coachtut on Jun 27, 2009 11:36:33 GMT -6
I was an O.C. on the varsity level for two years. I did pretty well. I am still 26 years old. The reason I left that position was because the school hired a new HC after the one I coached under resigned. I was strongly considered for taking over that program.
Sooooo, took last year off and made contacts within the coaching community here. My son is now 7 and old enough to play pop warner. I have studied Cisar's material very hard and know what makes a successful football team and a successful coach. I haven't even ran his system but can say with full confidence that its going to be a winner.
I watched about a dozen games here last year and pop warner coaching in my town is absolutely TERRIBLE. I commend every coach out there for giving their time and effort to these young boys but they are not football coaches. They are trying everything they see on TV on Saturdays and Sundays.
The local president of Pop Warner decided not to give me control of one of the 5 teams and I am not happy about it. I know three of the coaches personally and like I said, nice guys, not good coaches.
Talk me up guys? Where to go from here? I can coach high school at three different schools in the area. Should I help out pop warner as much as possible?
I'm thinking about just hanging around my sons team as much as possible and making sure the kids on his team and my son get my help as much as possible. I think that my knowledge will shine through if I help out and next year I won't have this problem.
MAN IS IT FRUSTRATING THOUGH!
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Post by alneufeld on Jun 27, 2009 11:53:23 GMT -6
I fell your pain. I would hang around your son's team as much as possible and "help" out. That way, you can at least make sure your son is getting the right info. I do the same with my sons. But if you are going to miss coaching, definitely coach at a high school. I'm sure they would appreciate the help.
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Post by headtrip on Jun 27, 2009 12:30:43 GMT -6
you're not going to be able to just walk in and take over a team. you don't need control of the team to make a positive impact. talk to the hc of whatever team your son is going to play on and let him know you want to help.
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Post by coachtut on Jun 27, 2009 12:48:21 GMT -6
you're not going to be able to just walk in and take over a team. you don't need control of the team to make a positive impact. talk to the hc of whatever team your son is going to play on and let him know you want to help. I realize that I can't just walk over and take over a team. Like the title says, I'm just venting. I am going to support whoever the coach is and let him know I am there to help. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2009 14:07:35 GMT -6
With the OC position, what about the new HS head coach, made you resign ?
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Post by coachtut on Jun 27, 2009 17:24:06 GMT -6
With the OC position, what about the new HS head coach, made you resign ? The new head coach was hired away from another school. I LOVED the community and the kids that I coached. When he came in he was very clear that he was going to call plays and that he wanted to run a spread scheme. We ran the fly offense the year prior and we had our best offensive season in 10 years. But I thought to myself, "A spread scheme with only 3-4 real good athletes is going to be a problem with our personell." But I kept that thought to myself because that's what a good assistant does. We then sat down and started talking football. The guy clearly did not know what it took to build and maintain a program. I knew he wasn't a very good coach and it was obvious to me. He offered me a position coaching wide receivers and I decided to turn him down and I wished him luck. I meant it. Like I said, I loved those kids and that community. They went 0-9 their first year. They were embarrassed by every single team they played. I went to one game and it was terrible. No organization. He was running spread, power I, and a weak version of my FLY that he added MID SEASON! The sole reason that I didn't get hired was because I was 25 years old. I can understand that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2009 20:17:30 GMT -6
With the OC position, what about the new HS head coach, made you resign ? The new head coach was hired away from another school. I LOVED the community and the kids that I coached. When he came in he was very clear that he was going to call plays and that he wanted to run a spread scheme. We ran the fly offense the year prior and we had our best offensive season in 10 years. But I thought to myself, "A spread scheme with only 3-4 real good athletes is going to be a problem with our personell." But I kept that thought to myself because that's what a good assistant does. We then sat down and started talking football. The guy clearly did not know what it took to build and maintain a program. I knew he wasn't a very good coach and it was obvious to me. He offered me a position coaching wide receivers and I decided to turn him down and I wished him luck. I meant it. Like I said, I loved those kids and that community. They went 0-9 their first year. They were embarrassed by every single team they played. I went to one game and it was terrible. No organization. He was running spread, power I, and a weak version of my FLY that he added MID SEASON! The sole reason that I didn't get hired was because I was 25 years old. I can understand that. Sounds like you made the right decision, though maybe he needs more time. I don't care what age someone is if they show they know what they are doing. |
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Post by tiger46 on Jun 29, 2009 12:29:52 GMT -6
This may sound harsh but, I'd say go coach HS and/or leave your son's team and coaches alone. Obviously, it's sometimes hard to accurately gauge someone's state of mind just by reading a post. But, from what I'm reading, your attitude will be all wrong to be of any real help to them unless you're willing to adjust it.
You think you know more than the youth coaches do. And, you most likely do. I have read and used Cisar's material. I'd recommend it to any youth coach. It is absolutely great. And, after using it, there's no way I, as a youth coach, could match wits with someone like you- a HS coach. So, your frustration level, already being high, will only rise higher as you dealt with youth coaches.
Also, they may or, may not, have more experience than you at coaching young players. I don't know your background with coaching youth or theirs. Some of what they do and make a priority will definitely not match with what you as a HS coach would do. Following Cisar's material would go a long way in bridging any gaps. But, if those coaches don't use that sort of coaching technique or, have never heard of Dave Cisar, you'll resent them. You could even end up doing what I know no responsible coach ever wants to do; poisoning the team. As I'm sure you're well aware, just keeping silent isn't enough to be a good assistant coach. If they're a good coaching staff, they'll already have practice organization, schemes and techniques down to how they like it. So, any outside methods- yours or Cisar's- probably wouldn't be well received. If they're bad, they'll have none of that stuff down but, think that they do. So, any outside methods- yours or Cisar's- probably wouldn't be well received. If they're bad and know that they're bad coaches well then... you may have a shot at enhancing they're **program.
**NOTE: In my experience, good youth coaches have a football program; not just a team.
Of course, just the opposite can happen. The coaches may be relieved to see you and rely heavily on your knowledge and abilities. But, don't count on that happening. It's rare to run across a youth coach that will admit that he isn't qualified and will raise his hand and say, "I need someone to teach me how to coach."
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Post by coachtut on Jun 29, 2009 13:55:00 GMT -6
This may sound harsh but, I'd say go coach HS and/or leave your son's team and coaches alone. Obviously, it's sometimes hard to accurately gauge someone's state of mind just by reading a post. But, from what I'm reading, your attitude will be all wrong to be of any real help to them unless you're willing to adjust it. You think you know more than the youth coaches do. And, you most likely do. I have read and used Cisar's material. I'd recommend it to any youth coach. It is absolutely great. And, after using it, there's no way I, as a youth coach, could match wits with someone like you- a HS coach. So, your frustration level, already being high, will only rise higher as you dealt with youth coaches. Also, they may or, may not, have more experience than you at coaching young players. I don't know your background with coaching youth or theirs. Some of what they do and make a priority will definitely not match with what you as a HS coach would do. Following Cisar's material would go a long way in bridging any gaps. But, if those coaches don't use that sort of coaching technique or, have never heard of Dave Cisar, you'll resent them. You could even end up doing what I know no responsible coach ever wants to do; poisoning the team. As I'm sure you're well aware, just keeping silent isn't enough to be a good assistant coach. If they're a good coaching staff, they'll already have practice organization, schemes and techniques down to how they like it. So, any outside methods- yours or Cisar's- probably wouldn't be well received. If they're bad, they'll have none of that stuff down but, think that they do. So, any outside methods- yours or Cisar's- probably wouldn't be well received. If they're bad and know that they're bad coaches well then... you may have a shot at enhancing they're **program. **NOTE: In my experience, good youth coaches have a football program; not just a team. Of course, just the opposite can happen. The coaches may be relieved to see you and rely heavily on your knowledge and abilities. But, don't count on that happening. It's rare to run across a youth coach that will admit that he isn't qualified and will raise his hand and say, "I need someone to teach me how to coach." This is nothing short of outstanding input. I have "calmed down" from the other day. ;D All I want is to help out our youth in our community. The first year I coached I thought it was because I loved the game. I was wrong. The reasons I coach are: 1. To help young boys turn into young men that are productive members of society. and a close second 2. Because I love the game. Thanks again for your input and you have hit the nail on the head with this one. My plan is to just feel out whats happening with my son's team. If they want my help I will lend a helping hand. I will let them know several times throughout the year that I have no intention of stepping on anyones toes. If they don't want the help I will disengage and be my sons #1 fan. |
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Post by mahonz on Jun 29, 2009 14:48:05 GMT -6
The sole reason that I didn't get hired was because I was 25 years old. I can understand that. Coach My son started coaching in our local youth league about six years ago with no kids in the program. Now at 26, he is the director of one of the largest associations in our league....35 teams...750 kids. Some of the old timers have raised a few eyebrows but he has 10 times their energy to get things done...I know ...Im helping him. Now with two sons and a daughter that will become eligable to play in the next few years...he has all of the power. You just get in...make contacts...be agressive...then take over. The beauty about youth sports in general is the very high turnover rate. Here today...gone tomorrow. Dont like what you see now...wait a while. Coach Mike |
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Post by coachtut on Jun 29, 2009 15:21:25 GMT -6
The sole reason that I didn't get hired was because I was 25 years old. I can understand that. Coach My son started coaching in our local youth league about six years ago with no kids in the program. Now at 26, he is the director of one of the largest associations in our league....35 teams...750 kids. Some of the old timers have raised a few eyebrows but he has 10 times their energy to get things done...I know ...Im helping him. Now with two sons and a daughter that will become eligable to play in the next few years...he has all of the power. You just get in...make contacts...be agressive...then take over. The beauty about youth sports in general is the very high turnover rate. Here today...gone tomorrow. Dont like what you see now...wait a while. Coach Mike Thanks Coach. I can honestly say that I think you are right. More than likely I will get a team next year. Then I'll get my chance to shine. I am not in it for the glory at all. I love to coach. I also love to max out the potential of the athletes that are given to me. My time will come. I have two things working for me. 1. All of the high school coaches in the area know me and would want me at the pop warner/ middle school level. In whatever capacity I do help out I will be noticed. 2. I don't want to brag but my son starts this year. He is 7 years old and is so dominant people will have to take notice. I won't have to say a thing. He knows the game as well as any 7 year old. In two 8 game flag seasons he has scored 24 TD's one year and 23 the next. In these games he only played on offense in the first half in most games. This is only going to make things easier on me if you know what I mean. Thank you guys for the encouragement. I think I will have a long relationship with the local pop warner ONCE I GET IN. Hopefully next year  |
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Post by davecisar on Jun 30, 2009 6:03:16 GMT -6
Coach,
A thought might be to be an asst coach at youth level and coach something most teams have a huge need for, the offensive line and kickers.
Do your thing with your group and make that area shine.
When he sees your kids having a blast, and executing well, he usually give you more say. Plus when the parents see what you are doing , they are going to lobby for you to get more input etc.
Best of luck
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